Too light? 110 TTSX

[redranger15]

I was on the Federal website and saw they have 110 gr ttsx for the 7rem mag. That thing would be great for deer I would think and it would be zizzling.Don't here of a lot of guys shooting light grain bullets out of the 7 RM , why? Would you notice the change in recoil going from a 150gr to a 110gr? Think that little thing would have enough jam for elk or moose?

[Desert Eagle]

My buddy shoots a 7mm Weatherby mag with 120 grain Barnes TSX bullets. He has taken 2 elk with it so far. 1 at 250 yards and 1 at 928 yards. Both were 1 shot kills so yes they will work.

[PoppaW]

I have seen 110's in a 270 and that is real close to a 7mm. I would try them and see if your gun likes them. If it shoots straight then go for it.

[clakjp]

Originally Posted by Desert Eagle

My buddy shoots a 7mm Weatherby mag with 120 grain Barnes TSX bullets. He has taken 2 elk with it so far. 1 at 250 yards and 1 at 928 yards. Both were 1 shot kills so yes they will work.

First I think that is to light of a bullet for that caliber.I would love to have seen that 928 yard shot.How did he do that with that little bullet???? Sorry man sounds fishy to me.You have a lot of wind drift at that distance with that liitle bullet.Please fill us in.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Desert Eagle

My buddy shoots a 7mm Weatherby mag with 120 grain Barnes TSX bullets. He has taken 2 elk with it so far. 1 at 250 yards and 1 at 928 yards. Both were 1 shot kills so yes they will work.

928 yards on an elk with 120g? Wow, the energy for that round falls off nearly 2/3 to around 1200 fps at 500 yards. Pushing that to nearly a km... wonder what's left?

[leo]

I have always and still am a supporter of using heavier for caliber bullets, but if you can punch a hole in the vitals with that little slug, the critter won't go far.(might even pile up right there) Any experience I have had with lighter bullets resulted in the lung shot animal running flat out for a 1/4 mile, but it was recovered.

[Jerry D]

I have nothing against dropping down bullet weight to gain speed but I feel that a 7mm mag is still plenty fast with 140 grain bullets.

[Traps]

I don't see why it wouldn't take the three species you mention. Keep the shots ethical and there should be no problem.

[Arn?Narn.]

Originally Posted by Desert Eagle

My buddy shoots a 7mm Weatherby mag with 120 grain Barnes TSX bullets. He has taken 2 elk with it so far. 1 at 250 yards and 1 at 928 yards. Both were 1 shot kills so yes they will work.

Where are the details????

Scope,..wound ... rifle..etc etc etc.

That is the craziest thing I have ever heard, so I really want to hear the load data and the juicy details !!!!

Hurry, we're waiting!!

I bet you meant 298yrds not 928 (that was your out by the way)

[madatter]

I've reloaded the 120grain TTTSX for the 7mm....
They fly.... and fly....
I swear at 300 yards they are still climbing.
Yeah I shot deer with em but I don't think they are great.
Too much speed and no damage.....thru and thru,this was at close range.
Add in the hassle of time spent on the range for sighting in with the different bullets and I am just gonna stick with 150 grains for an all round size!!
Just my opinion....tho if long range shots are your thing they sure are not gonna have whole lot of drop!!

[elkhunter11]

Any experience I have had with lighter bullets resulted in the lung shot animal running flat out for a 1/4 mile, but it was recovered.

My primary 7mm bullets for hunting big game have been the 140gr ballistic tip,tsx,mrx,and now ttsx.Driven at 3500fps out of my 7mmstw rifles,they have provided very quick kills,with plenty of bang-flops.Almost all of my shots were heart/lung shots.I have also killed a few deer with the 120gr ballistic tip out of a 7mmremmag with similar results.

[209x50]

I used 110 grain TTSX in 270wsm last fall. Yes they worked very well on a couple deer and a 700 yard antelope.

[Desert Eagle]

Well it was ranged from his yard into his field at 928 yards. It is a mk 5 weatherby im 7mm Weatherby. He has a shepard scope and it seems to work quite well. I'm not to sure of the load he is using but it's fairly warm. The wound channel was not very large but it had enough energy to break the shoulder behind the leg penetrate through the heart and was found just under the offside hide. The bullet was not expanded at all but it was bent.

I am a beliver in heavy for caliber bullets myself but you can't argue with facts

[Arn?Narn.]

Originally Posted by Desert Eagle

Well it was ranged from his yard into his field at 928 yards. It is a mk 5 weatherby im 7mm Weatherby. He has a shepard scope and it seems to work quite well. I'm not to sure of the load he is using but it's fairly warm. The wound channel was not very large but it had enough energy to break the shoulder behind the leg penetrate through the heart and was found just under the offside hide. The bullet was not expanded at all but it was bent.

I am a beliver in heavy for caliber bullets myself but you can't argue with facts

that is a damn fine shot...

[redranger15]

What about recoil, is it noticable going from a 150gr to a 120gr?

[leo]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

My primary 7mm bullets for hunting big game have been the 140gr ballistic tip,tsx,mrx,and now ttsx.Driven at 3500fps out of my 7mmstw rifles,they have provided very quick kills,with plenty of bang-flops.Almost all of my shots were heart/lung shots.I have also killed a few deer with the 120gr ballistic tip out of a 7mmremmag with similar results.

Ya , I know. We've already beat that horse haven't we . lol, I've seen your posted targets, your a fine shot and you know quality equipment. Having said that i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that most folks shouldn't attempt shots that offer a questionable presentation or are pushing the limits of range that are beyond their personal limits. Which begs the question why you need a bullet that is flat as a lazer to 500+ yds. My limit pretty much ends at 400 yards wether I'm toting a 300 mag with 180 gr. or 270 wsm with 140's. I'm not suggesting everyone jump on the heavier is better band wagon , but you need to ask your self why you choose the bullet you do. If it is to eleviate recoil, great. If it is to make an occasional hail mary shot that you think will present itself, then by god you had better practice and know the limits of all variables involved. Or , practice any way and learn the ballistic drop of your load at extended range.

[DennyV]

Originally Posted by Desert Eagle

My buddy shoots a 7mm Weatherby mag with 120 grain Barnes TSX bullets. He has taken 2 elk with it so far. 1 at 250 yards and 1 at 928 yards. Both were 1 shot kills so yes they will work.

This sounds pretty extraordinary, I entered maximum possible velocity from barnes load data with the ballistic coefficient into hornady's ballistic calculator and it proves your buddy must wear a cape to have pulled off this miracle shot. He would have had to compensate for a little over 200" of drop not to mention wind speed which is a constant variable when shooting at these distances especially with a tiny easily deflected little bullet. And when the bullet finally got there it was only moving at around 1250fps carrying around 370 ft/lbs of energy. All this considered I think I am gonna start hunting elk with fmj's in a .22 hornet!

[elkhunter11]

Having said that i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that most folks shouldn't attempt shots that offer a questionable presentation or are pushing the limits of range that are beyond their personal limits.

That applies to all bullets,light or heavy for caliber.

I'm not suggesting everyone jump on the heavier is better band wagon , but you need to ask your self why you choose the bullet you do. If it is to eleviate recoil, great. If it is to make an occasional hail mary shot that you think will present itself, then by god you had better practice and know the limits of all variables involved.

I never take hail mary shots at game,and a hail mary shot is a hail mary shot whether you use a light bullet,or a heavy bullet.

Or , practice any way and learn the ballistic drop of your load at extended range.

Once again,that applies equally to light and heavy bullets.

[leo]

Ok, whats your point ? IMO using light bullets for caliber is acceptable for a scant few reasons.
1- best accuracy in a firearm
2- reduce recoil to a manageable level in a given firearm
3- predators/varmints and small game

Obviously bullet design is the more critical factor when using these light projectiles, but I will never bring myself to use them on big game animals.
Sorry!

[redranger15]

If the 120s have less recoil then 150s, and have enough jam, then I'm all for it. I,ve only shot 150s out of my 7.Flatter is always good too. If I can old dead on for further out and have less to think out in the heat of battle then that would be good too.

[209x50]

Originally Posted by leo

Ok, whats your point ? IMO using light bullets for caliber is acceptable for a scant few reasons.
1- best accuracy in a firearm
2- reduce recoil to a manageable level in a given firearm
3- predators/varmints and small game

Obviously bullet design is the more critical factor when using these light projectiles, but I will never bring myself to use them on big game animals.
Sorry!

When did 140 grain bullets become a lightweight choice in a 7mm?!?!

[209x50]

Originally Posted by redranger15

If the 120s have less recoil then 150s, and have enough jam, then I'm all for it. I,ve only shot 150s out of my 7.Flatter is always good too. If I can old dead on for further out and have less to think out in the heat of battle then that would be good too.

Yes there is less recoil, how much less depends on the shooter and his gun.

[leo]

Originally Posted by 209x50

When did 140 grain bullets become a lightweight choice in a 7mm?!?!

I don't have an issue with 140's, I believe the thread was refering to 110gr and EH11 mentioned 120's in a 7mm mag. My preference for bullets over 3000 fps in a 7mm would start with 150-160gr. But we've beaten that horse already, Everyone use what they want and so will I. I just wished to point out that there are few reasons I can come up with to use light for caliber bullets on big game. For those who practice faster is better even in a very light bullet, lets hear why they are better ? or did I miss something over the last 30 + years I have been shooting? Not trying to sound like an a--hole, just want to hear the reasoning behind it.

[209x50]

I guess the key here is

My preference for bullets over

. Everyone has their own preference and don't have to justify that choice to anyone. Use what works for you.

[leo]

Okay!

[elkhunter11]

For those who practice faster is better even in a very light bullet, lets hear why they are better ? or did I miss something over the last 30 + years I have been shooting?

I see it the other way,if a 120gr or 140gr bullet offers adequate penetration and leaves a good sized wound channel,why would I put up with more bullet drop and more recoil to use a heavier bullet?A 120gr,or 140gr TTSX in 7mm will penetrate just as well on game as most cup and core 175gr bullets.I have witnessed this first hand when comparing wounds on game animals that I have field dressed.

[leo]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I see it the other way,if a 120gr or 140gr bullet offers adequate penetration .

It's the adequate part that is of concern . There again use what you will, but be mature enough to know when adequate may be too close to inadequate.

[elkhunter11]

It's the adequate part that is of concern . There again use what you will, but be mature enough to know when adequate may be too close to inadequate.

My definition of adequate is when the bullet makes it to the vitals and fully penetrates them with any shot angle that I would consider taking.If you are fully penetrating the vitals,and in most cases exiting the carcass,what advantage is there to using a heavier bullet?

[redranger15]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I see it the other way,if a 120gr or 140gr bullet offers adequate penetration and leaves a good sized wound channel,why would I put up with more bullet drop and more recoil to use a heavier bullet?A 120gr,or 140gr TTSX in 7mm will penetrate just as well on game as most cup and core 175gr bullets.

I haven't shot the 120 gr yet ,but this is what I was thinking. I think I will try and find some 120 tsx , RL-22 powder , some dies and then off to buddies to see what we can do.He will also be teaching me the ropes on reloading. Have to have a load ready for caribou .From what I hear they go down easy.

[leo]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

what advantage is there to using a heavier bullet?

The main advantage I see is the added penetration offered by the bullet with the higher BC, mass. Would you not get better penetration from all angles with a 150- 160 gr. ttsx vs a 120 -140 gr ? Its all dependent on shot presentation, the size of game animal being shot at etc. We have covered this type of issue before you and I , with much the same results I might add. lol. I respect your right to use any bullet you choose, as well I respectfully choose to disagree with using too light for caliber bullets in any application. Cheers EH11, and best of luck on your Caribou hunt RR15.