Questions about .270 Winchester

[Tactical Lever]

Originally Posted by Roy.Su

Thank you guys for all your comments. Right now my concern is getting mixed up between 270 and 30-06 by mistake. So I may give up 270.
Any suggestions for another deer rifle for a lady? Rifles like 300 Win Mag is not in the current plan due to the high recoil.

I wouldn't worry too much about an ammunition mix up. If you neglect to look at the stamping on the barrel, and try putting a 30-06 in the .270 it won't work.

Vice versa, it will work, but not do much but make noise an resize your brass.

I wouldn't pick the .270 just because it is close to the 30-06. Personal preference. Pick up a few books with ballistic tables, and work out recoil considerations, including pulse speed with one of the many online calculators.

Can't really tell you what you want to know without knowing any of the considerations. You might be better served with a .44 magnum lever action! Soft shooting, fast, fun and kills everything you would want around here very dead within a reasonable range. If you are not reloading, ammunition is reasonably priced too. Not pushing anything, or selling, I just bought another one!

And of course all the same things to varying degrees can be said of a 30-30.
More effective than ever, on game.

Come on, you weren't expecting any other advice from your resident "Tactical Lever" were you?

I also like Ackly Abe's suggestion for a 6.5x55. I am a little biased here, as well, but many, many moose have been killed in Sweden with one of these.

[Roy.Su]

Originally Posted by Hotwheels81

No it's not a local issue it's a cartridge popularity issue...

Fear not... Find a brand the rifle likes and buy a few boxes and your set... I've killed lots of critters with the 7-08, less recoil than the .270 and packs one heck of a punch...

Only find two choices in calgary for 7mm-08 Ammo: 120 grain and 140 grain, and prices are relatively higher. Where do you guys get 7mm-08 amoo from and what weight are you using? Thx!

[sns2]

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, but what else did you want in 7-08?

[Roy.Su]

Originally Posted by sns2

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, but what else did you want in 7-08?

My previous question for 7mm-08 grain weight is based on the following info from Wikipedia:"With the wide range of bullet weights available, the 7mm-08 is suitable for "varminting, game-hunting, silhouette, and long-range shooting."[2] It is also suitable for plains game."[1] For long-range target and metallic silhouette shooting, the "plastic-tipped 162gr A-Max has proven to be very accurate, with a 0.625 BC. This A-Max bullet, and the 150gr Sierra Match King, are popular with silhouette shooters."[2]"

This is why i was wondering if grain weight available in AB is an issue.

Thanks for your comments.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Roy.Su

My previous question for 7mm-08 grain weight is based on the following info from Wikipedia:"With the wide range of bullet weights available, the 7mm-08 is suitable for "varminting, game-hunting, silhouette, and long-range shooting."[2] It is also suitable for plains game."[1] For long-range target and metallic silhouette shooting, the "plastic-tipped 162gr A-Max has proven to be very accurate, with a 0.625 BC. This A-Max bullet, and the 150gr Sierra Match King, are popular with silhouette shooters."[2]"

This is why i was wondering if grain weight available in AB is an issue.

Thanks for your comments.

You don't handload. Get the 270. Or a 30-06.

There are people here who choose their bullets using Wikipedia too. I can't figure that one out.

['06]

I just loaded up a box of Hornady GMX bullets that groups just over an inch for my .270. I expect it to do well with everything I plan on shooting with it, up to and including moose.

[hunterdan44]

A 270 is a great gun, plenty of kick to drop a deer in its tracks, as to moose and bear, a well placed moose shot should be OK for a clean kill. try using ballistic tip bullets for the most killing power. As for bear, If its what i have in my hand ill use it, but I am not going into a bear den with it.

Overall one of my favorite guns, and has the ability to drop anything in North America with solid shots. Savage makes a really nice 270

[Roy.Su]

Originally Posted by '06

I just loaded up a box of Hornady GMX bullets that groups just over an inch for my .270. I expect it to do well with everything I plan on shooting with it, up to and including moose.

Anybody hand loads 7mm-08? And is it legal to sell here?
Will probably get a 7mm-08, and buy some low grain weight bullets for varmint hunting.

['06]

Don't thinl its legal to sell handloads but I'm sure someone will help you out and can roll some for you or teach you to do it yourself. Getting started doesn't have to be complicated or expensive. A guy can even use a Leeloader for about $30-40. I still use them sometimes just for fun.

[1Heavyhitr]

Holy cow people! Absolutely no love for the good old proven 308?? If I was considering the 7mm08 I would just go with the 308... Which I did. Recoil difference is only on paper IMO with similar bullet weights. I can't tell the difference between A 140gr 7-08 and 150gr 308 in almost identical weighing rifles. 150gr (especially the tsx/ttsx) is good for everything from mice to Moose. If you're worried about bears and want something heavier just pick up a box of 180 grainers... Hornady just introduced 220gr RN loaded ammo as well. If you walk into any gun store/ A place that sells ammo pretty much anywhere in the world you will find 270, 308, and 30-06 on the shelf. Not only is the 308 going to be easier to find it's going to be cheaper as well = more time at the range. If you do start to reload the 308 and 06. Shoot The same caliber bullet. It's also a short action so there shouldn't be a mixup with shells. I'm going in the face here lol.. Don't get caught up in splitting hairs Reading about which is better on the net. They all will work if you do your part and if there's any question you've already got the Mack daddy of versatility - 30-06!

[kujoseto]

I've heard/read the 308 argument so many times. Bought a 300wsm instead. Wouldn't trade it for the world. I reload so it doesn't matter much, but often when I go to a store, the 308 ammo and brass is sold out and the wsm is available. Everyone and their dog has a 308. I'd prefer the 7-08 myself. Would've gone 7 wsm if it wasn't so scarce and the 300wsm so available
As for the 270. It will work, but as suggested by others I'd suggest looking into the 7-08 or 260...OR 6.5x55

[1Heavyhitr]

Originally Posted by kujoseto

I've heard/read the 308 argument so many times. Bought a 300wsm instead. Wouldn't trade it for the world. I reload so it doesn't matter much, but often when I go to a store, the 308 ammo and brass is sold out and the wsm is available. Everyone and their dog has a 308. I'd prefer the 7-08 myself. Would've gone 7 wsm if it wasn't so scarce and the 300wsm so available
As for the 270. It will work, but as suggested by others I'd suggest looking into the 7-08 or 260...OR 6.5x55

Let's not forget the guys looking for a gun for his wife to shoot deer. She doesn't need a magnum. He doesn't reload. Everyone and their dog has a 308 ...nuff said. If you want something different the 260-6.5x55 are awesome.

[kujoseto]

I was not recommending the wsm at all, I was commenting on the 308 recommendation. If I had gone with the most widely recommended cartridge to me, the 308, I would be very disappointed. There are so many better options. It is a dependable cartridge, but about my 10th choice down the line. I was pointing out that when people claim you can buy the 308 ammo anywhere, it's not my experience at all and it is usually the first to sell out. Who wants that?
As for wanting something else, the 7mm and 6.5mm bullets will have better sd than the 308 would use. Both will have even less recoil than the 308. So my recommendation was even further from magnum than yours was.

[Huntsman]

Originally Posted by chuck

The only thing better is the 280 Rem.

x2

That or the .280 Ackley Improved

There is a reason why thet call the .300 Win mag the 300 Wound mag.

The .270 Win however will take care of all your cloven hooved hunting needs.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by rem338win

7mm-08 and .260 Rem.
Both will do all you're asking of it.

Those would be my first choices.

[Okotokian]

I've owned a .270 and used it on elk. Fine caliber. I'd also consider a .308. About the same recoil as the .270 with a little larger chunk of lead (180g vs 150g) for stopping bears or moose.

[MikuGlastonbury]

Beyond the ballistic tables and what you read on the forums there is very little difference between a .30-06 and a .270 Winchester. It freaks me out how much time has been spent arguing over a 0.8cm difference when both the shooter and the animal can't tell the difference.

If you want another rifle go for it as you can ever have too many! But you want something better or different than your .30-06 then look beyond a .270.

[huntwat]

You can buy reduced recoil loads for the 30-06.....

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by MikuGlastonbury

Beyond the ballistic tables and what you read on the forums there is very little difference between a .30-06 and a .270 Winchester. It freaks me out how much time has been spent arguing over a 0.8cm difference when both the shooter and the animal can't tell the difference.

If you want another rifle go for it as you can ever have too many! But you want something better or different than your .30-06 then look beyond a .270.

You're right that there isn't a ton of difference, but I think he's looking for a little softer shooting alternative for his wife, and I have noticed a difference between 30-06 and .270.

[Tactical Lever]

Originally Posted by 1Heavyhitr

Holy cow people! Absolutely no love for the good old proven 308?? If I was considering the 7mm08 I would just go with the 308... Which I did. Recoil difference is only on paper IMO with similar bullet weights. I can't tell the difference between A 140gr 7-08 and 150gr 308 in almost identical weighing rifles. 150gr (especially the tsx/ttsx) is good for everything from mice to Moose. If you're worried about bears and want something heavier just pick up a box of 180 grainers... Hornady just introduced 220gr RN loaded ammo as well. If you walk into any gun store/ A place that sells ammo pretty much anywhere in the world you will find 270, 308, and 30-06 on the shelf. Not only is the 308 going to be easier to find it's going to be cheaper as well = more time at the range. If you do start to reload the 308 and 06. Shoot The same caliber bullet. It's also a short action so there shouldn't be a mixup with shells. I'm going in the face here lol.. Don't get caught up in splitting hairs Reading about which is better on the net. They all will work if you do your part and if there's any question you've already got the Mack daddy of versatility - 30-06!

He was looking for something a little lighter in recoil for his wife mainly. If he's got a 30-06 already, there is very little difference. And the shells could still be mixed up (.308 in 30-06) which was a concern of his.

[norwestalta]

Roy. You can get managed recoil shells for your 30-06 that shoot rather nicely. Something to think about. Is it her first hunting excursion? For some people their first is their last. Give her the 06 and get yourself a new gun

[Tactical Lever]

Originally Posted by norwestalta

Roy. You can get managed recoil shells for your 30-06 that shoot rather nicely. Something to think about. Is it her first hunting excursion? For some people their first is their last. Give her the 06 and get yourself a new gun

Fair comment, but that brings up something that I did not say. The lady will be more likely to stick with it, if she has a rifle for her. Shorter length of pull, fuller cheek piece, light, thin grip, and cushy recoil pad, chambered for a cartridge a little lighter on the recoil and muzzle blast.

Buy her a nice one with a nice wood stock, and lustrous bluing in 6.5x55, or maybe .260 Rem. Ballistic twins in factory loads, but I think 6.5 might be a little cheaper, and I think the lower pressure loading (but bigger case) is a little easier on the ears.

Hand it to her and say:"Pretty girl should have a pretty gun."
She'll hunt, she'll hunt.

[Roy.Su]

Thanks for all the comments. I probably will got for a 7mm-08 due to the popularity and less recoil.
Basspro, WSS, Canadian tire, which one do you guys like? I don't like the salesperson at Basspro. Some where else to reccommend?

[Mountain Adventurer]

My inlaw nailed a buck with his 270 win at 600 yards. Ran 20 feet then dropped like a sack of taters! I prefer 270 win and it can be found at most any ammo outlet for a reasonable price.

[JPGLADNEY]

All I ever use in my .270 is 130 grains. Coming out the end of my barrel at 3200fps.. imagine that speed mixed with shot placement.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by JPGLADNEY

All I ever use in my .270 is 130 grains. Coming out the end of my barrel at 3200fps.. imagine that speed mixed with shot placement.

What powder/ bullet combination are you using? Barrel length? Chronograph? I have seen the Superformance loads advertised as producing 3200fps, but I have never seen a rifle actually produce that velocity over a chronograph.

[JPGLADNEY]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

What powder/ bullet combination are you using? Barrel length? Chronograph? I have seen the Superformance loads advertised as producing 3200fps, but I have never seen a rifle actually produce that velocity over a chronograph.

I was just going by what the super performance loads were saying. I guess they're not true ?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by JPGLADNEY

I was just going by what the super performance loads were saying. I guess they're not true ?

I have chronographed Superformance loads, Light Magnum loads, Heavy Magnum loads, as well as other similar high velocity loads, and in the vast majority of cases, the velocity produced was less than advertised. In some cases, the actual velocity was as much as 150fps less than advertised, but it's usually closer to 50-100fps. It all depends on the particular rifle that they are fired in.

[JPGLADNEY]

Oh wow. Did not know that. Thank you!!

[Bushrat]

It's kinda like the automakers and their gas mileage claims.