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11-23-2020, 10:56 AM
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This Seems Like Good News!
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11-23-2020, 11:14 AM
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Indeed.
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11-23-2020, 11:16 AM
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And yet the RCMP keeps adding firearms to the list of the banned.
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11-23-2020, 11:19 AM
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I saw that. So many of the Chiefs of police and the frontline officers don't agree with the useless OIC ban and call it such. This may be of use in the OIC challenges being litigated in the Supreme Court, but it won't change any minds in the PMO or Liberal Caucus, because they have known all along that the OIC has nothing to do with public safety, and is all about virtue signalling and the ongoing civilian disarmament which is their true agenda.
The only hopeful thought I have about this is, if the majority of LEOs in Canada are against the ban, who is going to enforce it? We already know that nobody is going to touch the contract for implementing the 'buy back'. Looks like the Liberals may end up regretting this particular virtue signal yet.
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11-23-2020, 11:37 AM
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Nothing is going to change the Liberal's policy though, other than a court ruling. There's nothing worse than Liberal with a bad idea, they'll just double down and continue their course.
What we need is a provincial government to threaten to use the Notwithstanding Clause along with police forces stating that they won't enforce the Liberal's OIC because it's pointless.
Kenney is turning out to be a spineless blowhard, I'm not expecting much more from him other than lip service.
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11-23-2020, 11:48 AM
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The "RCMP" that is making these decisions is the upper brass, unfortunately there has been a huge disconnect between the brass and the lowly front line officers for many years. Your average mountie opposes this ban, but ultimately have no say in it, as the brass are calling the shots. Unfortunately, I predict those street level officers will be facing disciplinary action if they refuse to take peoples firearms.
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11-23-2020, 12:11 PM
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Another thing to keep in mind is that many RCMP and other LEOs will also lose their AR-15s and what ever else Bill and the Turd added to the list that morning. Some of the LEOs that I have shot IPSC matches with this year don't seem very pleased about this either.
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11-23-2020, 12:44 PM
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And yet the RCMP keeps adding firearms to the list of the banned.
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This is completely false and an uneducated statement.
The Commissioner of the RCMP is also the Commissioner of Firearms for Canada. This happened in 2006 when the firearms portfolio was moved from the Department of Justice to the RCMP.
In 1995 firearms legislation was changed along with several OIC's being introduced. The FRT was created classifying firearms based on the new legislation and the OIC's.
The RCMP do not add anything to the "List". It is the responsible of the civilian RCMP employee that work for the CFP to classify firearms based on legislation and in this case an OIC. So when the May 1st OIC was released, the FRT needed to be updated to reflect the new classifications.
To suggest the RCMP actually decides arbitrarily the classification of a firearm is spreading misinformation.
Also for all you folks calling for the RCMP and Police to ignore or refuse to enforce the new ban, what other laws would you like them to ignore? And should the police even be able to ignore a legislated law?
We have the union for largest police force in Canada and 2nd largest in North America supporting the fight against the OIC, why would we want to throw something negative at that?
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11-23-2020, 01:08 PM
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This is completely false and an uneducated statement.
The Commissioner of the RCMP is also the Commissioner of Firearms for Canada. This happened in 2006 when the firearms portfolio was moved from the Department of Justice to the RCMP.
In 1995 firearms legislation was changed along with several OIC's being introduced. The FRT was created classifying firearms based on the new legislation and the OIC's.
The RCMP do not add anything to the "List". It is the responsible of the civilian RCMP employee that work for the CFP to classify firearms based on legislation and in this case an OIC. So when the May 1st OIC was released, the FRT needed to be updated to reflect the new classifications.
To suggest the RCMP actually decides arbitrarily the classification of a firearm is spreading misinformation.
Also for all you folks calling for the RCMP and Police to ignore or refuse to enforce the new ban, what other laws would you like them to ignore? And should the police even be able to ignore a legislated law?
We have the union for largest police force in Canada and 2nd largest in North America supporting the fight against the OIC, why would we want to throw something negative at that?
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Twist it how you want to, the person/people that do the classification, which is what determines which firearms are to be added to the list work for the RCMP.
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11-23-2020, 02:26 PM
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Twist it how you want to, the person/people that do the classification, which is what determines which firearms are to be added to the list work for the RCMP.
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Nope
The legislation and OIC's create the "List". You ever build house? Does the architect drawing the plans or the carpenter decide what house looks like.
The RCMP employees use the legislation to determine which firearms meet the definitions contained the legislation or in this case an OIC. Every classification they make has to be defendable in court in the event an importer wants to fight the classification.
They are not trying to stick a square peg in a round hole. When the Type 81 was reviewed everyone on CGN though it would be classified as prohibited and a AK47 variant. The Type 81 was determine not to be a variant and was classified as non-restricted.
Are there people at the Lab that are anti-gun, yep probably. But I can assure you there are many there that are pro-gun and are as involved in hunting and the shooting sports as anyone on here. Who do you think they hire to do the exams on firearms.... liberal school teachers? Almost all have firearms background which usually includes military weapons techs, gunsmiths, machinists etc.
Again a lot of misinformation.
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11-23-2020, 02:46 PM
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Nope
The legislation and OIC's create the "List". You ever build house? Does the architect drawing the plans or the carpenter decide what house looks like.
The RCMP employees use the legislation to determine which firearms meet the definitions contained the legislation or in this case an OIC. Every classification they make has to be defendable in court in the event an importer wants to fight the classification.
They are not trying to stick a square peg in a round hole. When the Type 81 was reviewed everyone on CGN though it would be classified as prohibited and a AK47 variant. The Type 81 was determine not to be a variant and was classified as non-restricted.
Are there people at the Lab that are anti-gun, yep probably. But I can assure you there are many there that are pro-gun and are as involved in hunting and the shooting sports as anyone on here. Who do you think they hire to do the exams on firearms.... liberal school teachers? Almost all have firearms background which usually includes military weapons techs, gunsmiths, machinists etc.
Again a lot of misinformation.
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Obviously the idiot liberal politicians don't understand firearms enough to dream up the citeria used to classify firearms, so who advises them in this regard?
Who interprets that criteria?
In the end, who actually assigns the classification?
As much as you want to distance the RCMP from the firearms ban, they play an integral part in this.
Trudeau appointed the current RCMP commissioner, to be his lapdog, and she is doing just that, by not investigating his actions, and by helping him to carry out his agenda.
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11-23-2020, 04:51 PM
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Talk is cheap, her employees are still doing their part to classify firearms so they can be added to the list of banned firearms.
The RCMP brass has become a political pawn, they do Trudeau's bidding, but say what they think will get support from Canadians.
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11-23-2020, 06:45 PM
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Don’t talk “politics”!!! 
The thread will be ‘disappeared’ if you do.
Or does it rightly belong in the new Politics Super thread?
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11-23-2020, 07:35 PM
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It wasn't suppose to be about politic or even negative, but I guess some people can't help themselves
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11-23-2020, 07:56 PM
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RCMP do not make the laws. The legislators do.
Federal Legislation falls under the Federal Government.
The Liberals make up the Federal Government.
Blaming the RCMP isn't fair, it isn't accurate, and it's misleading and a dangerous statement to makes since the article itself points out they are in alignment with us as firearms owners .......... let's not alienate those that align with us a divide ourselves.
That's my 2 cents.
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11-23-2020, 07:56 PM
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Don’t talk “politics”!!!
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Put it in the super-dooper thread...the dogs have been released
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11-23-2020, 08:24 PM
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When it comes right down to it, what the police think, doesn't matter in the slightest to the people pushing this agenda, and the police will end up enforcing this agenda , regardless of their feelings.
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11-23-2020, 10:08 PM
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Who was it that advised to have the green rifles arbitrarily prohibited?
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11-23-2020, 10:12 PM
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https://ipolitics.ca/2020/10/22/rcmp...in-court-case/
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The former manager of the RCMP branch that drafted a list of more than 1,500 types of rifles that cabinet prohibited last May
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11-24-2020, 02:02 PM
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When it comes right down to it, what the police think, doesn't matter in the slightest to the people pushing this agenda, and the police will end up enforcing this agenda , regardless of their feelings.
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Look at it this way. When the gas valves were opened at Auschwitz and other prison camps someone was just doing their job. Then 30 years+ after the camps were closed there was a massive manhunt for those who just did their job. Many respondents accept confiscation because someone is just doing their job.
During the past 20 years I have asked every policeman I have had a conversation with about whether they approve or support the Canada Firearms Program. Every one said they do not support the program. When I asked if I could have their Police identification and have a statement documenting their opposition to the program, not one said they would.
When you meet or listen to police opposing current firearms laws, ask for their response to be a written statement.
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11-24-2020, 03:11 PM
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Well I guess its good that we now have our own appointed firearms officer in place, in Alberta, who will this person listen to now.
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