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Old 03-31-2020, 01:01 PM
Greasemonkey Greasemonkey is offline
 
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Not exactly sure how it works was hoping maybe one of you gentlemen could enlighten us, with oil at such low prices how does one go about buying it because this won’t last oil prices will come back and if a fellow had some spare money he could sit on for a bit this maybe a possible good return on a investment
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Old 03-31-2020, 09:31 PM
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Do you have storage space for multiples of 1000 barrels of crude, and the cash to pay for delivery from a contract hub? And permits to hold all that poisonous goo on your property? Of course you could always roll your futures contracts forward, but at a substantial loss for the foreseeable future.

Once Saudi and Russia cut loose with dumping oil onto the market, todays 20 dollar price on WTI (never mind heavy oil) could be cut in half again. Storage nearly everywhere is near capacity, and the world economy isn't going anywhere but down anytime soon. No airplanes will be drinking tons of kerosene, no freight ships will be burning tons of bunker fuel oil. Vehicle sales have essentially stopped everywhere, and no mobility except for groceries is allowed in a lot of jurisdictions.

A better bet would be to sell puts on some oil price index or major integrated producers that are less than likely to go broke. If things go sideways for a couple of years while everyone waits for the recovery that never happens, you win. If they go up, you win, If they tank even more then the premium you got and the calls you immediately sell at the money on them will take some of the sting out of your loss.
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Old 04-01-2020, 04:45 AM
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Pretty sure oil market won't recover for quite some time...
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Old 04-01-2020, 10:57 AM
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You can’t really buy oil futures. That business is for the big swingers. Ha, not sure what you would do if you couldn’t exit the trade and you have somebody calling asking you where you want a few thousand barrels of oil.

My suggestion would be “uso” ETF. Basically it price tracks near term oil futures.

If you really wanted to lever up I suppose you could buy some call option contracts for the month after you assume the oil price will rebound.

Be prepared for a rodeo. Storage is full and the Saudi’s are still pumping like it’s 2005. Prices will go negative unless the planes start burning fuel again. I’m not sure what happens to USO if oil prices go negative. My guess is the fund collapses and your investment is bye bye.
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Old 04-03-2020, 05:46 PM
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UCO was up 32% today.
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Old 04-03-2020, 05:51 PM
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Pretty sure oil market won't recover for quite some time...
Recovered pretty good today it seems.
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