Safety and security and our freedoms

[A S D]

Question. What will happen after this plague ends. My concern is that the gov't never likes to return power to the people. Perfect opportunity for the global eliteists to grab power. How do we preserve our freedom once we start to rely on the gov't for our well being?

My dad grew up in a communist/ socialist/ progressive governmental system after the Nazis we're turfed. They were not nice to the people who did not tow the socialist line. Many simply disappeared. Taken from their homes in the wee hrs of the morning.

I don't think that it will be that bad here, but I'm concerned that our civil liberties and freedoms will be compromised in the name of the common good. I wonder whether there can be precautions that can be taken to preserve our liberty and freedoms. We often seem willing to cough up our freedom for safety and security. Humanity seem to learn the hard way. We seem not to learn from the past.

[caged]

I see everything coming back to normal after the plaque.

[WillyOneStyle]

This is a huge event in human history, I believe the world will look a bit different afterward. Indeed some global elitists will be more powerful, but some will be totally broken. $830 billion dollars evaporates on 8 March and trillions injected to make up for it. The OP is not wrong. This is a game changer. I have grinded through endless night shift work for years under this credo - "because we might look back on these as the days when we had it all"
hmmm, should of made a T-shirt or bumper sticker or something.

[Reeves1]

Originally Posted by caged

I see everything coming back to normal after the plaque.

LOL !

Canada never fully recovered from PET & now his idiot son has finished sinking the ship. We shall not recover from his rein in many generations.....

[Trochu]

My thoughts are we are going to get something I don't like, higher taxes in the name of covid, mandatoey vaccines, vaccines/medicines pushed through in the name of safety, tracking on your phone, something.

[elkhunter11]

Trudeau already tried to use the crisis to grant himself the powers of a dictator, and he won't give up. Expect him to introduce more bills to gain more control over Canadians.

[Lamburt]

Our ancestors gave up their lives fighting for freedom. We give up our freedom hoping the government will keep us safe from a bad flu.

The writing is on the wall. Our way of life is changing and we won't be going back, at least not without a bloody war.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by Lamburt

Our ancestors gave up their lives fighting for freedom. We give up our freedom hoping the government will keep us safe from a bad flu.

The writing is on the wall. Our way of life is changing and we won't be going back, at least not without a bloody war.

One thing that won't change is Globalization, which brought us to this. I look for the sequel. More people, more travel, more denial, more pandemics. This pandemic originated in stone age thinking , apparently, we'll never escape that.

Grizz

[Smoky buck]

Things are going to been interesting when this is all over between economic/financial hardship impacting people and changes in laws/regulations.

I have no fear of Covid19 but the reaction of society in all this is scary

[Lamburt]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

One thing that won't change is Globalization, which brought us to this. I look for the sequel. More people, more travel, more denial, more pandemics. This pandemic originated in stone age thinking , apparently, we'll never escape that.

Grizz

Globalization is temporary, in my opinion. Eventually it leads us to a future world where most people are serfs who won't be able to afford to travel, or won't be allowed to. Travel could be restricted any time now under the guise of preventing virus spread or stopping climate change. Question is if we're ready for that yet, or if we need another decade or two of globalism to reach that point.

[Zip]

Coming out the other end of this virus.. I see a bunch of changes in how things will be done, higher taxes as the govt is on a spending and throw away money faster than drunken sailors.. and I’m not sure who will be our new power.. there will be something bad at the end of a this as well.. not sure what for sure, but my gut tells me that it will be bad for us small tiny folk..
Zip

[260 Rem]

Sadly, 20 years from now as another pandemic ravages the economy, the new bumper stickers will read “Please, one more chance and I promise not to pizz it away”.

[A S D]

I'm looking for a way to become proactive. I'm thinking about mandatory sunset clauses for any draconian laws put in place to restrict freedom, if the law is demonstrated to be temporarily necessary. Make it law to have a sunset clause . I'll bring this up with the conservative leadership's candidates. Bring it up on Facebook to bring it up on other people's radar is something else I can do. I need to thing of other ways. I hate the idea of loosing these hard fought for and costly freedoms our forefathers gave us.

The biggest problem I see may be is that people are more than willing to cough up freedom and liberty to feel safe, placing little value on it while they feel scared.

[pittman]

You guys are all pretty funny. Bunch of paranoid snowflakes.

The problem with the west is that every person and group thinks they're more important than the whole. Can't be inconvenienced to do anything on behalf of the group.

Might be time for everyone to recognize that we're all part of a bigger picture, and that making a few individual sacrifices isn't too much to ask in a time where a unified approach is required.

[huntsfurfish]

Life will go on.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by pittman

You guys are all pretty funny. Bunch of paranoid snowflakes.

The problem with the west is that every person and group thinks they're more important than the whole. Can't be inconvenienced to do anything on behalf of the group.

Might be time for everyone to recognize that we're all part of a bigger picture, and that making a few individual sacrifices isn't too much to ask in a time where a unified approach is required.

You should maybe take a look at your target audience before you start insulting them. Their (our) generation is as far away from snowflake as you are from being cordial and polite.

I can't speak for the OP, the doom and gloom thread is over there, and don't know him.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by pittman

You guys are all pretty funny. Bunch of paranoid snowflakes.

The problem with the west is that every person and group thinks they're more important than the whole. Can't be inconvenienced to do anything on behalf of the group.

Might be time for everyone to recognize that we're all part of a bigger picture, and that making a few individual sacrifices isn't too much to ask in a time where a unified approach is required.

Nothing you just posted applies to what has been posted in this thread. There was not one posts regarding the west but instead Canada as a whole you are the only one bringing up the “west”

People are talking about how this may impact the future of Canadians not individuals

Now if you want to step in and try to toss out insults calling people snow flakes at least come up with a statement that applies to what is being discussed.

[Bigjohn87]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

One thing that won't change is Globalization, which brought us to this. I look for the sequel. More people, more travel, more denial, more pandemics. This pandemic originated in stone age thinking , apparently, we'll never escape that.

Grizz

I disagree, I think Globalization is done for. I also don’t see China being a major player, I think the west will drop them like a bad habit.

[pittman]

Actually, it does apply to the west, and the entirety of this post.

One of most outstanding differences between eastern and western culture is how the west views the individual as paramount, and how the east views the group as paramount. Not a new fact by any means.

One of the big problems we're having "out west" is that individuals aren't taking the advice of public health seriously. This post illustrates just that - that there are people pre-occupied with their individual "rights and freedoms" and are paranoid that the government is attempting to take them away. These are the same people who protest the infraction "of their rights" when someone suggests the utility of mandatory vaccination or any other public health measure that could benefit the population.

Still don't think that applies to this thread?

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by pittman

Actually, it does apply to the west, and the entirety of this post.

One of most outstanding differences between eastern and western culture is how the west views the individual as paramount, and how the east views the group as paramount. Not a new fact by any means.

One of the big problems we're having "out west" is that individuals aren't taking the advice of public health seriously. This post illustrates just that - that there are people pre-occupied with their individual "rights and freedoms" and are paranoid that the government is attempting to take them away. These are the same people who protest the infraction "of their rights" when someone suggests the utility of mandatory vaccination or any other public health measure that could benefit the population.

Still don't think that applies to this thread?

Actually you’re lost still the thread is about long term impact on Canadians after Covid19 is over not present For starters

I am not even going to begin getting into the rest of your theory because you are making some crazy accusations and assumptions for starters.

[pittman]

Enlighten me.

Is the government going to control what you watch on TV? Where you go on vacation? Make you vaccinate your kids?

Probably not. There will be a pretty big financial impact no doubt.

[cody j]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Trudeau already tried to use the crisis to grant himself the powers of a dictator, and he won't give up. Expect him to introduce more bills to gain more control over Canadians.

I would expect this, as well as Canada kissing China’s butt, because viruses don’t know borders, right?

[58thecat]

Coming out of this I hope will be an eye opener for our 1st world nation and people of this great country will better be prepared for future economic crisis's etc.....just take a look what happened a generation after world issues...people where more self reliant but we got too soft over the generations that followed and expected things on credit etc....

Too many people in Canada where over enjoying and got hit with a third world nation everyday way of life....

It's easy to lay blame as it is to jump on the negative band wagons but hopefully after this the majority will remember this, learn from it going forward and ensure generations after are educated....

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

Sadly, 20 years from now as another pandemic ravages the economy, the new bumper stickers will read “Please, one more chance and I promise not to pizz it away”.

Ok....now that made me laugh but so true eh....gotta look around....I do hope your wrong....

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by pittman

Enlighten me.

Is the government going to control what you watch on TV? Where you go on vacation? Make you vaccinate your kids?

Probably not. There will be a pretty big financial impact no doubt.

Out of the changes in your post mandatory vaccination is not a far stretch but there has been a portion of the public lobbying for this before Covid19. If this is something that happened I would see this more likely do to a push from the public that government supported. Not really a concern to me personally either way. The rest is for the tinfoil hat club bet technically we already have censorship laws with TV but again not a personal concern

We are trending on new ground with the way the world has responded to Covid19 so with possible changes to laws and regulations are unpredictable. Possible changes could come from government or again public pressure based on fear. Let’s be honest crazy lives on both sides of the spectrum

Personally I see financial issues being an issue in the future and how our government chooses to deal with the issue and legislation that comes with it is a reasonable concern

No crazy tinfoil new world order theories here

[pittman]

You don't see any tinfoil hat theories on this post? Let me select a few posts from above for you to review.

Keep in mind that at times there needs to be a unified effort to achieve an end that is in your countries best interest. Unfortunately individual people cannot be relied upon to make choices for the greater good in times of hardship. Consider the hoarding that continues to go on at the grocery stores. We didn't have a supply chain problem before, and now certain shelves site empty as the paranoid sit at home and look at their mountain of TP.

Yet, some people still complain when public health tells them to stay home, wash their hands, don't travel unnecessarily, and get their vaccines. The impingement on their personal freedom is just too much to bear.

Are you getting the east vs west mentality yet? (and by East I don't mean Toronto).

Originally Posted by A S D

Question. What will happen after this plague ends. My concern is that the gov't never likes to return power to the people. Perfect opportunity for the global eliteists to grab power. How do we preserve our freedom once we start to rely on the gov't for our well being?

My dad grew up in a communist/ socialist/ progressive governmental system after the Nazis we're turfed. They were not nice to the people who did not tow the socialist line. Many simply disappeared. Taken from their homes in the wee hrs of the morning.

I don't think that it will be that bad here, but I'm concerned that our civil liberties and freedoms will be compromised in the name of the common good. I wonder whether there can be precautions that can be taken to preserve our liberty and freedoms. We often seem willing to cough up our freedom for safety and security. Humanity seem to learn the hard way. We seem not to learn from the past.

Originally Posted by Trochu

My thoughts are we are going to get something I don't like, higher taxes in the name of covid, mandatoey vaccines, vaccines/medicines pushed through in the name of safety, tracking on your phone, something.

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Trudeau already tried to use the crisis to grant himself the powers of a dictator, and he won't give up. Expect him to introduce more bills to gain more control over Canadians.

Originally Posted by Lamburt

Our ancestors gave up their lives fighting for freedom. We give up our freedom hoping the government will keep us safe from a bad flu.

The writing is on the wall. Our way of life is changing and we won't be going back, at least not without a bloody war.

Originally Posted by Lamburt

Globalization is temporary, in my opinion. Eventually it leads us to a future world where most people are serfs who won't be able to afford to travel, or won't be allowed to. Travel could be restricted any time now under the guise of preventing virus spread or stopping climate change. Question is if we're ready for that yet, or if we need another decade or two of globalism to reach that point.

Originally Posted by A S D

I'm looking for a way to become proactive. I'm thinking about mandatory sunset clauses for any draconian laws put in place to restrict freedom, if the law is demonstrated to be temporarily necessary. Make it law to have a sunset clause . I'll bring this up with the conservative leadership's candidates. Bring it up on Facebook to bring it up on other people's radar is something else I can do. I need to thing of other ways. I hate the idea of loosing these hard fought for and costly freedoms our forefathers gave us.

The biggest problem I see may be is that people are more than willing to cough up freedom and liberty to feel safe, placing little value on it while they feel scared.

Originally Posted by Bigjohn87

I disagree, I think Globalization is done for. I also don’t see China being a major player, I think the west will drop them like a bad habit.

Looks like a pretty big tinfoil hat to me.

[bessiedog]

yuuup...... they be crawlin out big time on tis thread....


geebus...

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Things are going to been interesting when this is all over between economic/financial hardship impacting people and changes in laws/regulations.

I have no fear of Covid19 but the reaction of society in all this is scary

True..the virus can be controlled as it needs a host...unfortunately people can't be controlled because they don't need a host.....maybe we are a virus?

[xxclaro]

[QUOTE=pittman;4140270]You don't see any tinfoil hat theories on this post? Let me select a few posts from above for you to review.

Keep in mind that at times there needs to be a unified effort to achieve an end that is in your countries best interest. Unfortunately individual people cannot be relied upon to make choices for the greater good in times of hardship. Consider the hoarding that continues to go on at the grocery stores. We didn't have a supply chain problem before, and now certain shelves site empty as the paranoid sit at home and look at their mountain of TP.

Yet, some people still complain when public health tells them to stay home, wash their hands, don't travel unnecessarily, and get their vaccines. The impingement on their personal freedom is just too much to bear.

Are you getting the east vs west mentality yet? (and by East I don't mean Toronto).

So you believe the Eastern method is better? Western civilization is inferior, in your opinion?

[EZM]

Personally, if the government asks me to wash my hands, keep social distancing and work from home if I can, then I don't really see an issue with my "personal freedoms" and simply want to contribute to making us all a little safer through this pandemic. Small sacrifice really. I think it's a reasonable request.

Maybe I'm a sheep but I really never connected my personal rights and freedoms being infringed upon for the greater good in this particular situation.

Maybe next week they will take away more of my freedoms and I will wear only a regulation grey uniform, live in block housing, be required to sing the national anthem and eat only gruel …….. but I really don't see what's happening now as one of those nefarious "slippery slopes" or anything like that.

This will pass and hopefully I've done my part and we can go back to normal soon enough.