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Old 02-12-2018, 07:21 AM
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Default New guy wanting a break.

Been shooting for decades at this point just usually with friends and families guns.

Recently picked up a rem 783 SA 308 in an mdt stock.

But the bare barrel looks out of place to me so I'm wondering how involved it is to a decent break on it.

Not looking for a clamp on. Seen a couple blow off at the range and I don't want to be that guy.

Is it something that can be done at home with a set of good quality dies and a vice? Since most use a locknut, indexing doesn't have to be too exact I assume.

If it's best to leave it to a Smith any have suggestions for the South alberta area?

Any favorite brands./styles that are easy choices?
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:34 AM
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You are putting on a brake for looks?
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:35 AM
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Is it something that can be done at home with a set of good quality dies and a vice? Since most use a locknut, indexing doesn't have to be too exact I assume.

If it's best to leave it to a Smith any have suggestions for the South alberta area?
you have to align it to the bore not the outside of the barrel. i would say it's best done in a lathe and without a die.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:38 AM
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If you really want a break in the barrel, do it yourself. Lay the end of the barrel on an anvil, get a 12lb sledgehammer and wail away, and a break should result.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:52 AM
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You are putting on a brake for looks?
Small part is for looks.
Major reason is I like a heavy gun and low recoil.
Bonus points for extra loudness.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:55 AM
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No. Please donít attempt this at home in your vice with a die.
-The threads need to be concentric with the bore
-the threads need to be properly fit to the brake
-once installed the brake should be single point bored to assure proper concentricity to the bore, and taken to the proper diameter for the intended caliber.

As for someone down south, I would see if Rob McLeod would do it. (He is a member on here)
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:57 AM
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Remember the bonus for extra loudness part when you can't hear anything without getting it repeated if a few years.If you have to have a heavy gun,put weight in the stock but stay away from a break!!!
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:28 AM
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Thread on muzzle brakes have the barrels thread for the brake cut on a lathe . The brakes hole must be concentric with the bore to keep the bullet from hitting the brake. There is usually only .020 thousandths clearance between the bullet and bore diameter of the brake. Not much room for error.
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:26 AM
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Remember the bonus for extra loudness part when you can't hear anything without getting it repeated if a few years.If you have to have a heavy gun,put weight in the stock but stay away from a break!!!
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On a .308 the recoil is minimal so by installing a break all you are doing is annoying all the other shooters around you.
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:05 AM
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Small part is for looks.
Major reason is I like a heavy gun and low recoil.
Bonus points for extra loudness.
Extra loudness does no favors for anyone. Your ears will hate it. The people next to you will hate it. The antigunners who already complain about noise from gun ranges will only be aggravated to complain more.

Dont get a muzzle brake for the sake of being extra annoying
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:07 AM
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Rob can certainly do this for you and at a good price.

Lots of reasons to get a brake - wanting one is good enough for me.

Some of the designs out these days are actually much less intrusive on other shooters than some of the older brakes. When I RO at matches I always take an extra step or two back when someone with an APA brake is on the line.

I also have a buddy who makes great self indexing brakes. I have 2 on my match guns currently and am getting one of his new magnum brakes as well.

PM me if you need to know how to get a hold of Rob.
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:28 AM
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:40 AM
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Break = noise
noise= pain
pain=body reacting to pain
Body reacting to pain= involuntary muscle reaction
Involuntary muscle reaction= rifle/sight picture not on target at trigger squeeze
Rifle/sight picture not on target at trigger squeeze=missing target
Missing target=frustration, leading to even more bad habits....and on and on and on......
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:50 AM
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Break = noise
noise= pain
pain=body reacting to pain
Body reacting to pain= involuntary muscle reaction
Involuntary muscle reaction= rifle/sight picture not on target at trigger squeeze
Rifle/sight picture not on target at trigger squeeze=missing target
Missing target=frustration, leading to even more bad habits....and on and on and on......
So you have never seen or heard of a Precision Rifle Series match?

Brakes are not for everyone but they have a place. When I am trying to get 12 rounds off in 90 seconds at 3 difference distances a brake can be a big help.

Also, brakes, when used properly, can help the shooter spot their own shots and get shot corrections on their own which will allow them to make hits on their next shots.
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:59 PM
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Never mention brake on AO try over on CGN the crowd there is more open minded
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Old 02-12-2018, 04:43 PM
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Take it to a smith and have it threaded properly. Some brakes need to be indexed, the smith can do this as part of the setup.

I had a Precision Armament M11 put on my .300WM, it cut recoil significantly but is not quite so range friendly anymore due to extreme muzzle blast.
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Old 02-12-2018, 06:10 PM
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I have put brakes on for guys in caliber 223 ,22-250 220 swift , 243. . Not for the recoil but to reduce muzzle jump so they can see bullet impact. Very effective
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:04 PM
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I have put brakes on for guys in caliber 223 ,22-250 220 swift , 243. . Not for the recoil but to reduce muzzle jump so they can see bullet impact. Very effective
Iíve heard that even doubling up with hearing protection isnít enough to avoid permanent damage, is that true?
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:41 AM
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MCRS Tactical in Calgary also installs breaks. He has a few options and the rifles I have shot with his breaks on work really well.
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:45 AM
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The guys at the gun range will all be saying
"Give me a BREAK""""
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:51 AM
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Iíve heard that even doubling up with hearing protection isnít enough to avoid permanent damage, is that true?
I've read that also. Has not been my experience. I hear of guys saying that the noise and blast is so bad with ear plugs or muffs in. I just find that hard to believe. Most of my guns have brakes and I shoot them with foam plugs, muffs and now electronic noise canceling ear plugs. I don't mean I use these all at the same time either. No guns are loud when I have hearing protection in from 300 RUM down to 6.5X47's. Sure is fun watching your bullets hit the gongs. So to each there own, if you like brakes then by all means use them. As far as guys doubling up and saying how loud brakes are with plugs in and muffs; never experienced that and have been around a number of different brakes.
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:00 AM
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I had a break on my 338 and I opted to put some weight in my stock and remove the break. Now it's much easier to shoot and the neighbours are friendlier too.

If you're doing the majority of your shooting at the range, I'd go with the weight in the stock and save the expense of the brake.
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:17 AM
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Put a grizzly noise re-director on it, they look really good and deflect noise forward, you would need a smith to install it, and they cost more than a regular brake, but would be worth it IMO.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:44 AM
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ATRS installs a very nice and effective brake for a reasonable price.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:48 AM
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Good to know, interesting
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Old 02-13-2018, 12:52 PM
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The antigunners who already complain about noise from gun ranges will only be aggravated to complain more.
Pretty sure the break doesn't make the gun any louder, just redirects the sound....
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Old 02-13-2018, 01:04 PM
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Pretty sure the break doesn't make the gun any louder, just redirects the sound....
redirects all that yummy lead. i do love me some lead exposure in my lungs.
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Old 02-13-2018, 01:13 PM
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Pretty sure the break doesn't make the gun any louder, just redirects the sound....
Yep, if you think that brakes make guns louder you must not believe in physics.

They seem louder but it is only because the noise is being directed to the sides or sides and back than forward. Anyone standing near or on may be able to tell the difference but anyone not on the range is not going to be able to tell.

To the OP, maybe head over to CGN you may get a better response as someone has previously stated. There has been a lot of change in the muzzle brake market over the last couple years and some of the original (and somewhat legitimate) concerns of backblast and ground disturbance have been for the most part resolved.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:25 PM
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redirects all that yummy lead. i do love me some lead exposure in my lungs.
I think it only redirects that yummy lead when you install your brake in a vise with a die and get the hole mostly inline with the bore. The brake will take off what bullet parts do not quite fit. Sheesh, dont you guys know anything.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:35 PM
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MCRS Tactical in Calgary also installs breaks. He has a few options and the rifles I have shot with his breaks on work really well.
X2 I have the mcrs whisperer brake on my 270wsm and it works great ....very little recoil and I am able to spot my own shots, be forewarned hearing protection is required all the time
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