Montana CWD Extends Season

[alder]

https://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoo...season-disease

[pikeslayer22]

Manitoba is culling with helicopters as we speak

[Big Grey Wolf]

Much like Covid, I would guess that if Manitoba "Hits it fast and Hard" at very early infestation may be able to provide some level of control.

[Penner]

Well one thing is absolutely certain, doing nothing won’t solve / reduce anything.

[slough shark]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

Much like Covid, I would guess that if Manitoba "Hits it fast and Hard" at very early infestation may be able to provide some level of control.

It would only work if they killed every single infected deer and put up fences at the border to stop the spread that would inevitably come back across the border. Doing these localized culls only slightly slows the spread for a couple years if they do anything at all, kinda depends if they kill every deer which is very doubtful. To be honest I’m surprised that nowhere has put up high fences to stop the spread at the border of a province/state or where known infections are.

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by slough shark

It would only work if they killed every single infected deer and put up fences at the border to stop the spread that would inevitably come back across the border. Doing these localized culls only slightly slows the spread for a couple years if they do anything at all, kinda depends if they kill every deer which is very doubtful. To be honest I’m surprised that nowhere has put up high fences to stop the spread at the border of a province/state or where known infections are.

Considering that the prions are found in pollen, I think it’s too late to do anything.
Yet the Alberta ranchers want to establish elk hunt farms and create more of the same conditions that caused this in the first place.

[Mb-MBR]

Wildlife Branch placed a moratorium on Mule deer and made it illegal to shoot one. All the while knowing they would be migrating in from Saskatchewan which is laden with the disease. Now they think they'll be able to mitigate by getting some yahoos shooting them out of helicopter.

No jurisdiction has been able to "kill" there way out of the problem, sadly it is here and likely here to stay.

Using choppers in nothing more then a publicity stunt that will back fire in their face.

[Yukongold]

Shooting deer out of chopper probably won't raise much of a fuss. Try in with wolves and bears and let me know how it goes.

[7magtime]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

Considering that the prions are found in pollen, I think it’s too late to do anything.
Yet the Alberta ranchers want to establish elk hunt farms and create more of the same conditions that caused this in the first place.

Agree chef. It's incredible that elk hunt farms are even being considered with where we're currently at with CWD in this province. I see zero benefit in wild game farms for Albertan's, it's playing Russian roulette with our free range wild game IMO. As well, the game farms that first introduced CWD to Saskatchewan are not paying for the CWD fallout, Alberta taxpayers are....

As well; with CWD coming from Saskatchewan into Alberta first and now Manitoba, what is it going to take for the Saskatchewan government to reconsider allowing baiting? It's been proven that congregating wild deer at bait sites eating the same feed enhances the spread of CWD, is it worth increasing the risk of spread?

[fordtruckin]

The issue in some of these districts is biologists don’t know how prevalent cwd is in the herds as they don’t generally get hunted very hard. By extending the season and requesting hunters provide samples they get a better idea of the extent cwd is in the population. As Montana has found out it is way more prevalent than initially thought. Pretty much east west north and south portions of the state have cwd. At this point its working to identify where it is and how bad it’s affected the herds.

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by 7magtime

Agree chef. It's incredible that elk hunt farms are even being considered with where we're currently at with CWD in this province. I see zero benefit in wild game farms for Albertan's, it's playing Russian roulette with our free range wild game IMO. As well, the game farms that first introduced CWD to Saskatchewan are not paying for the CWD fallout, Alberta taxpayers are....

As well; with CWD coming from Saskatchewan into Alberta first and now Manitoba, what is it going to take for the Saskatchewan government to reconsider allowing baiting? It's been proven that congregating wild deer at bait sites eating the same feed enhances the spread of CWD, is it worth increasing the risk of spread?

Alberta environment or was it Alberta agriculture has firmly stated that they aren’t considering approving these hunt farms. I just think “how idiotic could people be” to even consider that this would be a good idea.

Here’s another thought, so these game farms made what? A few million dollars all together? And now we have this bloody problem on our hands. This could cost our economy billions. It all began with game farms and deer baiting.

[7magtime]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

Alberta environment or was it Alberta agriculture has firmly stated that they aren’t considering approving these hunt farms. I just think “how idiotic could people be” to even consider that this would be a good idea.

Here’s another thought, so these game farms made what? A few million dollars all together? And now we have this bloody problem on our hands. This could cost our economy billions. It all began with game farms and deer baiting.

Hopefully they hold that stance on these “hunt farms”, Alberta definitely doesn’t need any of them.

I 100% agree and I suspect the previous farms that caused CWD to infect the wild deer population paid zero dollars from their business to assist with helping cleaning up the problem they started.
The deer baiting is ramping up the spread IMO, hopefully the Saskatchewan government revisits this practice soon…..

[gunsnroses]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

Alberta environment or was it Alberta agriculture has firmly stated that they aren’t considering approving these hunt farms. I just think “how idiotic could people be” to even consider that this would be a good idea.

Here’s another thought, so these game farms made what? A few million dollars all together? And now we have this bloody problem on our hands. This could cost our economy billions. It all began with game farms and deer baiting.

They may have 'firmly stated' they won't approve them but behind closed doors promises have been made that 'hunt preserves' will be legal within a year. As stated above the total economic benefit of game farms in AB has only been a few million dollars(all in the pockets of some very wealthy and well connected game farmers and politicians ie Elzingas and Moores et al) and the cost to the AB taxpayers and our wildlife populations is in the 100s of millions and continues to this day, Mule deer populations in east central AB are crashing and CWD is rampant - all due to AB and Sask caving in to the corruption and pressure of a few rich/elite game farmers in the late 80's

[North40Rules]

Originally Posted by gunsnroses

They may have 'firmly stated' they won't approve them but behind closed doors promises have been made that 'hunt preserves' will be legal within a year. As stated above the total economic benefit of game farms in AB has only been a few million dollars(all in the pockets of some very wealthy and well connected game farmers and politicians ie Elzingas and Moores et al) and the cost to the AB taxpayers and our wildlife populations is in the 100s of millions and continues to this day, Mule deer populations in east central AB are crashing and CWD is rampant - all due to AB and Sask caving in to the corruption and pressure of a few rich/elite game farmers in the late 80's

Man is that ever well put, cheers to you gunsnroses!

Where I hunt in an East Central Zone, it has been decimated! Human's messing with Mother Nature in the name of profit and greed is nothing new.

N40

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

The issue in some of these districts is biologists don’t know how prevalent cwd is in the herds as they don’t generally get hunted very hard. By extending the season and requesting hunters provide samples they get a better idea of the extent cwd is in the population. As Montana has found out it is way more prevalent than initially thought. Pretty much east west north and south portions of the state have cwd. At this point its working to identify where it is and how bad it’s affected the herds.

Thanks for the insight it’s much better then people just speculating why it’s going on

[Howard Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

Considering that the prions are found in pollen, I think it’s too late to do anything.
Yet the Alberta ranchers want to establish elk hunt farms and create more of the same conditions that caused this in the first place.

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I have heard CWD started within the Elk farms before. Honest question, why or how does it start in them and not in the wild populations? Just trying to understand.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Howard Hutchinson

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I have heard CWD started within the Elk farms before. Honest question, why or how does it start in them and not in the wild populations? Just trying to understand.

To be very brief on a very long history.

A disease research facility in Colorado is ground zero for CWD.

Some of captive mule deer from the facility were sold to game farms and zoos and spread around North America and even Korea.

As game farms sold and transplanted infected animals to new game farms, the disease spread other captive animals and to wild populations in many states and provinces.

If game farming was kept illegal, CWD probably would not exist anywhere except in Colorado, where the facility also releasing infected mule deer directly onto the landscape.

[Howard Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

To be very brief on a very long history.

A disease research facility in Colorado is ground zero for CWD.

Some of captive mule deer from the facility were sold to game farms and zoos and spread around North America and even Korea.

As game farms sold and transplanted infected animals to new game farms, the disease spread other captive animals and to wild populations in many states and provinces.

If game farming was kept illegal, CWD probably would not exist anywhere except in Colorado, where the facility also releasing infected mule deer directly onto the landscape.

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Thank you WB. I wonder though, what causes it in a fenced environment yet not in the wilds.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Howard Hutchinson

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Thank you WB. I wonder though, what causes it in a fenced environment yet not in the wilds.

Conjecture, but when the facts are overwhelming, where does the conspiracy lay?

The disease research facility mainly studied scrapie (another prion disease) in sheep.
It kept infected sheep with Mule deer that were captured just outside the facility.

When the deer became sick, these was the first known cases of CWD.

Some of these CWD infected deer were released back into the wild outside of the facility.

Later testing showed CWD deer in the local wild Mule deer population, the first known cases of CWD in the wild.


Were the captured deer infected with CWD before being contained in the facility? Were the deer infected by the sick sheep?
No one knows nor can we go back and determine this with 100% confidence.



However unlikely, the facility and game farming industry uses the potential that the original source of CWD could possibly be natural in origin as an argument that they are not responsible for its spread across North America.

A weak argument if one knows the facts.

[Howard Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Conjecture, but when the facts are overwhelming, where does the conspiracy lay?

The disease research facility mainly studied scrapie (another prion disease) in sheep.
It kept infected sheep with Mule deer that were captured just outside the facility.

When the deer became sick, these was the first known cases of CWD.

Some of these CWD infected deer were released back into the wild outside of the facility.

Later testing showed CWD deer in the local wild Mule deer population, the first known cases of CWD in the wild.


Were the captured deer infected with CWD before being contained in the facility? Were the deer infected by the sick sheep?
No one knows nor can we go back and determine this with 100% confidence.



However unlikely, the facility and game farming industry uses the potential that the original source of CWD could possibly be natural in origin as an argument that they are not responsible for its spread across North America.

A weak argument if one knows the facts.

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Sheep, to deer fenced in with them, to wild pops after they were released. Makes sense there as I have heard sheep sheep carry diseases which are non existent in other farmed animals. Maybe those who farm sheep can chime in on this?

Too close for too long a period of time and the deer's immune system could not combat it any longer. Once infected, deer to deer was most probably a much easier jump and then down the road it goes to other ungulates.

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by Howard Hutchinson

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Sheep, to deer fenced in with them, to wild pops after they were released. Makes sense there as I have heard sheep sheep carry diseases which are non existent in other farmed animals. Maybe those who farm sheep can chime in on this?

Too close for too long a period of time and the deer's immune system could not combat it any longer. Once infected, deer to deer was most probably a much easier jump and then down the road it goes to other ungulates.

Down the road indeed… packed into trailers and transported all over.
What a mess. We should all think about this when “they” discuss hunt farms.