Did the debate change anyone's mind?

sns2 · #1 08-07-2015, 10:36 AM

I entered this election period with an open mind to truly consider the three party's platforms and listen to what they had to say. After watching the debate, and re-watching certain portions, my mind is completely made up. Though he is far from perfect, Stephen Harper clearly showed that he is a steady leader, who has navigated our country through the rough world-wide economic downturn, and has the intellectual gravitas, and moral fortitude, to keep us on the right track.

While the other two had their moments, they both scare the hell out of me. One due to his inexperience, and the other just appears to be hiding his true aspirations for changing Canada in profound ways.

Though things aren't perfect, PM Harper referred to the following prestigious firm that ranks countries based on their reputation. Canada is at the top. It is worth taking three minutes to remind ourselves, and our friends who are undecided, that we live in the best country in the world.

https://www.reputationinstitute.com/...ountry-RepTrak

blgoodbrand1 · #2 08-07-2015, 10:39 AM

No. There is not a choice.

jack88 · #3 08-07-2015, 10:42 AM

Has your day to day life ever changed regarding who's in charge? Or does it just help fill up the general discussion forum?

elkhunter11 · #4 08-07-2015, 10:44 AM

No change due to debate. With two idiots as the only major opposition, there isn't a reasonable option to Harper.

Jadham · #5 08-07-2015, 10:44 AM

Too early for me to make up my mind, and I only caught the reviews. I also look at my riding candidates.

sns2 · #6 08-07-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by blgoodbrand1

No. There is not a choice.

The reality is that most of the provinces see that there are two other viable choices.

ETOWNCANUCK · #7 08-07-2015, 10:50 AM

Still what
Over 2 months until the election
Plenty of time to have forgotten everything that was said

blgoodbrand1 · #8 08-07-2015, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sns2

The reality is that most of the provinces see that there are two other viable choices.

Oh I know.
There are a lot of changes in reality coming to Alberta and Canada. And so far as I can determine, not a pretty reality.
Of course this all my opinion and worth exactly what you paid for it.

dmcbride · #9 08-07-2015, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sns2

I entered this election period with an open mind to truly consider the three party's platforms and listen to what they had to say. After watching the debate, and re-watching certain portions, my mind is completely made up. Though he is far from perfect, Stephen Harper clearly showed that he is a steady leader, who has navigated our country through the rough world-wide economic downturn, and has the intellectual gravitas, and moral fortitude, to keep us on the right track.

While the other two had their moments, they both scare the hell out of me. One due to his inexperience, and the other just appears to be hiding his true aspirations for changing Canada in profound ways.

Though things aren't perfect, PM Harper referred to the following prestigious firm that ranks countries based on their reputation. Canada is at the top. It is worth taking three minutes to remind ourselves, and our friends who are undecided, that we live in the best country in the world.

https://www.reputationinstitute.com/...ountry-RepTrak

I fully agree with the bold statements.

As much as I do not want to say it, A lot of Canadian's do not know how good we have it in Canada, from quality of life to the way we look after our environment. Look at other countries, it is almost like we need a war or something to bring a lot of people back down to reality.

Redfrog · #10 08-07-2015, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sns2

The reality is that most of the provinces see that there are two other viable choices.

Which ones? And what is your source?

32-40win · #11 08-07-2015, 11:10 AM

There is no question that Harper is the smartest politician of the three, he knows how to work the political system in Ottawa. He has proved that over the years. A great many would-be politicians in training can learn a lot from what he has accomplished. He may be one of the best tactical politicians regarding elections, that has ever had that office. He has, and has had some serious issues to deal with on the economy and the world stage. He isn't perfect, the Senate has definitely been an issue he could have dealt with a lot better. Maybe he will yet. His "attitude with the media" is that of one who understands its petulance, and uses it when he wants to, for the most part, which they don't like.
He has done a reasonable job in most areas, can't please everybody, and never will be able to. No politician ever can. He sees a different picture than we ever will, without doing that job ourselves.

elkhunter11 · #12 08-07-2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sns2

The reality is that most of the provinces see that there are two other viable choices.

During the last election people from Quebec voted in someone that hadn't even set foot in the riding, and one candidate had her nomination papers signed by people drinking at the bar where she worked as a bartender. Who knows if they even knew what they were signing.

Look at the idiot that Calgary voted in during the last provincial election. She has already been suspended by Notley.

With that kind of stupidity going on, anything is possible. There just may be enough people stupid enough to vote in someone that wants to make it easier for Quebec to separate, and break up Canada.

sns2 · #13 08-07-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Redfrog

Which ones? And what is your source?

Polls released in the media since election was called. Atlantic Canada, Quebec, and BC.

Redfrog · #14 08-07-2015, 11:18 AM

Harper is savvy and focused. The drama and controversy around him never seems to be a result of his personal actions. Of course some of his appointments have been less than spectacular, but once the proof is in he deals with it, and then he moves on.

Trudeau and Mulcair and a ton of other politicians impress me with their ability to even move with no spine and carrying all that baggage.

fish_e_o · #15 08-07-2015, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sns2

It is worth taking three minutes to remind ourselves, and our friends who are undecided, that we live in the best country in the world.

you're G.D. right we do.

elkhunter11 · #16 08-07-2015, 11:22 AM

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The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Winston Churchill

Unfortunately, there is way too much truth in that quote, and in the one below.

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Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

I just hope that all Canadians don't get to experience what he was referring to in the second quote.

Redfrog · #17 08-07-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sns2

Polls released in the media since election was called. Atlantic Canada, Quebec, and BC.

Thanks for the answer. I guess my question was poorly worded.

I meant 'Which ones are the viable options and what was your source for saying that." Sorry for the confusion.

Your answer is interesting, nonetheless. I have not seen that info on any of the media I've looked at, and I've looked at what I would consider a lot.

JustMe · #18 08-07-2015, 11:24 AM

Very true! And remember, the election will already be decided by the time the voting hits the Manitoba/Ontario border. Has Harper got the where with all to win in Quebec and Ontario? That is the real question, not what some Albertans think.... We can hope for the best, but I wouldn't want to bet on this election!

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Originally Posted by sns2

The reality is that most of the provinces see that there are two other viable choices.

ArtG · #19 08-07-2015, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sns2

The reality is that most of the provinces see that there are two other viable choices.

If Harper doesn't win it will be the same reason NDP won in Alberta. The "anyone but Harper" campaign is allover social media.

dmcbride · #20 08-07-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ArtG

If Harper doesn't win it will be the same reason NDP won in Alberta. The "anyone but Harper" campaign is allover social media.

Agreed, it almost reminds me of Cecil the lion. Angry mob with no facts.

TreeGuy · #21 08-07-2015, 11:36 AM

Karma's a butch. I cannot wait for PM Harper to play the 'hidden agenda' card on his opponents. Likely the first time the quip would be applied accurately.

fish_e_o · #22 08-07-2015, 11:40 AM

i noticed that the NDP were playing the same CHANGE card that annoyed me so much during the provincial election

JimPS · #23 08-07-2015, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sns2

Polls released in the media since election was called. Atlantic Canada, Quebec, and BC.

If the NDP carries Atlantic Canada, Quebec and British Columbia - does that mean that Harper is Coast-to-Coast Toast?

elkhunter11 · #24 08-07-2015, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fish_e_o

i noticed that the NDP were playing the same CHANGE card that annoyed me so much during the provincial election

When your deck consists of one card, what else can you do?

JustMe · #25 08-07-2015, 11:45 AM

This is one of a few around... Not pretty, but it's a long time until October 19.

http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/F...20Research.pdf

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Originally Posted by Redfrog

Thanks for the answer. I guess my question was poorly worded.

I meant 'Which ones are the viable options and what was your source for saying that." Sorry for the confusion.

Your answer is interesting, nonetheless. I have not seen that info on any of the media I've looked at, and I've looked at what I would consider a lot.

Redfrog · #26 08-07-2015, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JimPS

If the NDP carries Atlantic Canada, Quebec and British Columbia - does that mean that Harper is Coast-to-Coast Toast?

If the NDP carries anything, it will be because someone else is doing the heavy lifting.

Redfrog · #27 08-07-2015, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ArtG

If Harper doesn't win it will be the same reason NDP won in Alberta. The "anyone but Harper" campaign is allover social media.

That as well as the misleading ads.

"Minimum wage across Canada to be $15" But it is for no one, cause those it would cover are making more than minimum wage now.

"Vote for Rachel" or sorry sucker. you thought she was running in your riding.
Nope you got the boobie prize dingaling Debbie or the guy with transport experience. You know he's got the matchbox big truck collection in his basement.

another 'Lyin" story

elkhunter11 · #28 08-07-2015, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Redfrog

If the NDP carries anything, it will be because someone else is doing the heavy lifting.

And we will be paying for it.

Mountain Adventurer · #29 08-07-2015, 11:53 AM

It was an interesting debate, all candidates made good points but only one person can change the future for Canada. We have seen what the conservatives have done for us, some good but still not enough. The only thing I like about the new democrats intensions is a more stable and affordable child care system and that is it, they are loose cannons.
Any time I hear scandals with our government it shows a big instability, just like Harper wasting our tax dollars for this prolonged election shows me the biggest and ugly public scandal the conservatives have shown us to date.
In a time where Canada and the average family is struggling to keep up with this rapid shift in a down ward spiral he could be spending our money that he is clearly wasting on more proactive things instead of burning our tax dollars in a barrel to make sure he stays nice and warm. If this is harpers response to Controlling a situation Where so many Canadians are taking a serious hit, it just shows how much he is actually doing for us all and is a rather selfish approach to good governing.
This debate has not changed my mind and I love Harpers attack adds on Trudeau, as he obviously can see who the party to beat is. And to say that Trudeau is lacking experience is a bold statement as the man has grown up around politics from the day he was put on this earth. You can't tell me that this intelligent man that has a very level headed approach to building a nation to be proud of has not had most of his life to ponder on what would be best for all of us Canadians. He has seen what has failed and what has been successful through life's trials and tribulations of the politicians past. Just like a man teaching his son on what mistakes not to make that he has dealt with over his life from his own personal experiences. It takes a life time to gain that wisdom. I say Justin Trudeau has that wisdom and has what it takes to build a government that Canada has never seen before. I vote liberal

JimPS · #30 08-07-2015, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeGuy

Karma's a butch. I cannot wait for PM Harper to play the 'hidden agenda' card on his opponents. Likely the first time the quip would be applied accurately.

Harper could play his secret agenda and take Nova Scotia if he would finally admit Ricky (Rob Wells) is his cousin.

The Boys are more popular than Stevie is in Nova Scotia.