Pipeline Question

[Fish along]

So with all the environmental problems that are raised with placing a pipeline across the country, how would these problems be resolved if the pipeline was purchased by indigenous people? Thankyou.

[Talking moose]

I wish the indigenous people would invest more money into pipelines and gas and oil in general. Would be a lot less hassles and red tape in the future.

[Sooner]

Funny how the bands that do invest and support the pipelines and resource extraction are muted by the governments and media. And it is not just a few. I bet their voices might change the minds of many naysayers.

Where is Turdo and Nutley praising the ones that do?

[Deer Hunter]

Great idea. Taxpayers will pay for it twice.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Great idea. Taxpayers will pay for it twice.

Yup, next question......

[WhiteTailAB]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Great idea. Taxpayers will pay for it twice.

Nailed it. Lol

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Great idea. Taxpayers will pay for it twice.

A lot more than twice, the pipeline would be used as leverage every time the owners wanted more money from the government.

[Vook]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Great idea. Taxpayers will pay for it twice.

This is toooo optimistic!

[The Elkster]

This really is a media driven issue 100%. Most people in BC support the PL and many first nations do too. But the media has decided to seek out any and all protesters and give them 90% of the air time in an attempt to foment unrest and create the illusion that far more disagree than polls would suggest. In their own opinion pieces they have also pushed all the negatives and risks of O&G over and over and over again without mentioning any of the positives that everyone in modern society enjoys. Its just a complete whitewashing of most of the facts and numbers and I hate to say it but it is in essence Fake News. Withholding facts to sell a extremely bias narrative is just as bad if not worse than outright lying.

As far as politicians go. They are largely controlled by the media as the media largely controls the message that gets out to the public. If the media wants to villify a politician for not supporting the ANTI stance they can easily sow the seeds of that politicians demise. Politicians act accordingly and so we have what we have today.

[Fish along]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

I wish the indigenous people would invest more money into pipelines and gas and oil in general. Would be a lot less hassles and red tape in the future.

Yes you are correct I believe.

[gevarm guy]

anybody ever drive thru some of the reservations. Lucky if they can run a service station for more than a month not alone a pipeline.
And yes we don't need to pay for it twice.

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by gevarm guy

anybody ever drive thru some of the reservations. Lucky if they can run a service station for more than a month not alone a pipeline.
And yes we don't need to pay for it twice.

Couple that with a bit of hostility and the taps could be turned off anytime they wanted? They’d have us by the knackers.

[barbless]

If they live in such poverty and despair and we have to support them on the rez, how could they possibly buy a pipe line let alone a pipe. Don't worry, they have they're deep pockets of wealth and none debt that are deeper than our country will ever have with the tax grabbing politicians there to suck us dry. Ya they also treat their own, like our government treats our own less fortunate. Maybe they will let us build a refinery on their land if we pay for it and they control it and reap most of the benefits. Hell of a deal

[Iskra]

Originally Posted by Fish along

So with all the environmental problems that are raised with placing a pipeline across the country, how would these problems be resolved if the pipeline was purchased by indigenous people? Thankyou.

What environmental problems?

[Fish along]

Originally Posted by Iskra

What environmental problems?

Well one of the biggest problems would be oil spills,nobody can guarantee that there will be no spills.

[NCC]

Originally Posted by Fish along

Well one of the biggest problems would be oil spills,nobody can guarantee that there will be no spills.

Oil spills aren’t the bogeyman that some people make them out to be. Pipelines don’t fail often and spills aren’t that hard to remediate and generally
don’t affect a very big area. Spills into waterways are obviously a different story.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by Fish along

So with all the environmental problems that are raised with placing a pipeline across the country, how would these problems be resolved if the pipeline was purchased by indigenous people? Thankyou.

No thank you for me,nothing personal.If I get into this I will be banned for telling the truth.

[Albertacoyotecaller]

The only thing good to come from this deal are the one time votes for the Liberals. This is why politicians swing from trees. Why aren’t politicians swinging from trees?

[243plus]

There a few FN who run great businesses. Ft. McKay and Osoyoos bands come to mind. They hold a candle to no one, and give quality and value. Don't dismiss the idea of this being viable.

[barbless]

Oil spills? Isn't that why you employee competent people to monitor the lines by visually inspecting weld joints and stations, every day!! Quads, 4x4's, side by sides. Or the high tech drones now. Ya it's countrywide so every province has a job to do. If you build it you have to do your diligence.

[barbless]

Ok guess I don't know (as usual) should have searched further. Was told Pipe lines are all underground. Say what? Really? If so, then why? Would make more sense to be above to be inspected (visually). But I guess out of sight out of mind until the inevitable leak. Leave it above, minimal underground and if have to cross over it, do what they did for wildlife, built a bridge to go over. Banff National Park over or under pass for wildlife.

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by Fish along

So with all the environmental problems that are raised with placing a pipeline across the country, how would these problems be resolved if the pipeline was purchased by indigenous people? Thankyou.

Far less environmental issues with pipelines than rail.
In 2017 (last year stats available) there were over 1000 derailments in Canada (of course not all spilled oil). In the same year there were 70 pipeline spills.
The average spill volume per incident is 12000L for pipeline and 70000L for a rail spill.
Now consider that in 2012 30000 barrels a day were shipped by rail...and since the Transmountain stalled that has increased to 200000 barrel a day.
All this info is available from the Transportation Safety Board website...but never seems to be published my mainstream media.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

Far less environmental issues with pipelines than rail.
In 2017 (last year stats available) there were over 1000 derailments in Canada (of course not all spilled oil). In the same year there were 70 pipeline spills.
The average spill volume per incident is 12000L for pipeline and 70000L for a rail spill.
Now consider that in 2012 30000 barrels a day were shipped by rail...and since the Transmountain stalled that has increased to 200000 barrel a day.
All this info is available from the Transportation Safety Board website...but never seems to be published my mainstream media.

100% Accurate, on Point.

Drop the Microphone and walk off stage ..... nothing left to be said.

[dmcbride]

Looks like nothing will be happening until after the next election.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fir...feds-1.4982807

Feds likely to hold on to pipeline past 2019 election, says Morneau