Hunting with antique revolver as a side arm

[NinjaHunter]

Hey guys,

Just curious if it's legal to hunt with an antique revolver as a side arm in Alberta.

If so, an antique revolver will be in my to buy list this year

[rem338win]

It's illegal to hunt with a hand gun in Alberta no matter it's status.

[canuck]

Unless you're hunting ninjas - then anything goes

[tikka250]

Originally Posted by rem338win

It's illegal to hunt with a hand gun in Alberta no matter it's status.

yes but antiques are not considered firearms.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by tikka250

yes but antiques are not considered firearms.

Under the wildlife act it is. And others.

It's not considered a restricted or prohib is all.

No you cannot hunt with them, but dont believe me. Ask an officer.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by tikka250

yes but antiques are not considered firearms.

Anything that launches a projectile over 500fps is considered a firearm, hence why certain pellet guns require a PAL.

Antiques are not RESTRICTED or PROHIBITED.

LC

[DiabeticKripple]

Illegal to use a handgun to hunt with.

10 A handgun, except a restricted firearm or a prohibited firearm of a kind that is a handgun for whose possession the holding of a licence and a registration certificate is required by the Criminal Code (Canada), where a person
(a) uses the handgun to kill an animal caught in a trap, or
(b) is in possession of that handgun only for a purpose incidental to that use or the reasonable expectation of that use.

[angery jonn]

He said as a side arm guys. I’m assuming he’s talking about self defence against bears and such. You can’t hunt big game with a pellet gun, but it’s not illegal to have one on you while hunting big game is it?

[CNP]

Originally Posted by angery jonn

He said as a side arm guys. I’m assuming he’s talking about self defence against bears and such. You can’t hunt big game with a pellet gun, but it’s not illegal to have one on you while hunting big game is it?

He specifically asked if it was legal to hunt with a handgun.

Read the regs...

It is unlawful to
set out, use or employ any of the following items for the purpose of hunting any wildlife:
a pistol or revolver unless
– the person is a licenced trapper (holding a federal authorization) who is dispatching an animal caught in a trap, or
– it is an air powered pistol or revolver that discharges a projectile at less than 500 feet per second (often used for hunting small game).
live wildlife,

[Positrac]

Originally Posted by CNP

He specifically asked if it was legal to hunt with a handgun.

A matter of interpretation but I think the OP asked if was legal to hunt with an antique revolver as a sidearm in Alberta. Would need clarification on his part but regardless it would be interesting to know if for instance you were hunting with a rifle would an antique revolver be ok to carry with you as back up?

Good question and I for one would be interested in knowing too.

How old would a handgun need to be to be considered an antique?

[Positrac]

The criminal code defines an antique firearm as:


Handguns:

manufactured before 1898 that can discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than .22 Calibre Short, .22 Calibre Long or .22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges;

manufactured before 1898 that can discharge centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge .32 Short Colt, .32 Long Colt, .32 Smith and Wesson, .32 Smith and Wesson Long, .32‑20 Winchester, .38 Smith and Wesson; .38 Short Colt, .38 Long Colt, .38-40 Winchester, .44‑40 Winchester, or .45 Colt cartridges.


What does that leave as an option?

[Full Curl Earl]

Few others beat me to the punch! Lol
Actually the question wasn’t that clear, as it ended with “as a side arm” which could hold the meaning of a back up firearm?
But it raises a question that I’ve thought of a number of times. If an Antique status gun requires no PAL, can one be kept in your pack, your pocket, truck, concealed etc. I have read the law on this, and it’s vagueness is as we’ve grown to expect in this country.

[Full Curl Earl]

Not much that’s for sure, but there are other calibers out there.



QUOTE=Positrac;3708297]The criminal code defines an antique firearm as:


Handguns:

manufactured before 1898 that can discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than .22 Calibre Short, .22 Calibre Long or .22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges;

manufactured before 1898 that can discharge centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge .32 Short Colt, .32 Long Colt, .32 Smith and Wesson, .32 Smith and Wesson Long, .32‑20 Winchester, .38 Smith and Wesson; .38 Short Colt, .38 Long Colt, .38-40 Winchester, .44‑40 Winchester, or .45 Colt cartridges.


What does that leave as an option?[/QUOTE]

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Positrac

The criminal code defines an antique firearm as:


Handguns:

manufactured before 1898 that can discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than .22 Calibre Short, .22 Calibre Long or .22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges;

manufactured before 1898 that can discharge centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge .32 Short Colt, .32 Long Colt, .32 Smith and Wesson, .32 Smith and Wesson Long, .32‑20 Winchester, .38 Smith and Wesson; .38 Short Colt, .38 Long Colt, .38-40 Winchester, .44‑40 Winchester, or .45 Colt cartridges.


What does that leave as an option?

Cartridges like the 455 Webley, 44 Russian ,etc
Cat

[Big Grey Wolf]

Not to derail, but if trapper has ATC for say 357 magnum, some guys use rifles in that caliber, larger than .23, would it be legal to say use to dispatch a deer.

[Full Curl Earl]

I just realized .41 Colt isn’t on that list of centre fire calibers, so that would be the one. I also believe the original caliber can be changed and the antique status remains, but this is all quite sketchy, lol

[Full Curl Earl]

Are you asking if you can Use a rifle in 357 or revolver to “dispatch” a deer?

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

Not to derail, but if trapper has ATC for say 357 magnum, some guys use rifles in that caliber, larger than .23, would it be legal to say use to dispatch a deer.

[58thecat]

Can't hunt with it, carry it yes,

[elk396]

He can't carry a sidearm while out hunting. Just because it's an antique, that doesn't make it less dangerous. He would either be a collector or need to be a member of a gun club, so there would be restrictions for you to carry underneath both of those, but neither would allow you to bring it on your hip to the bush, unless you are a trapper with special permission. don't get caught with that handgun out in the bush, or you won't be leaving the country again. They will charge you with a criminal offence, which will prevent you from crossing the border or possible prevent you from getting jobs. Weird part is, you can carry a defender shotgun in the bush, no problem, But not a .22 revolver.

[Full Curl Earl]

Where are you getting that information from, because most of it isn’t accurate to my knowledge.
I’m not sure how you see “Danger” in carrying a handgun vs a rifle?
If someone has a piece of hidden legislation or law regarding this it would be interesting to hear.

[elk396]

Call the Chief Firearms Officer in your province and they will set you straight in a few minutes,I just went thru the carrying process with them a few months back. Jus make sure you don't get caught packing one while hunting unless you have a special permit, i.e.. trapper with special permission. You'll be in deep caca otherwise.

[MooseRiverTrapper]

I’ve looked into a couple that came for sale on here usually $2500 range. For bush carry. They use a black powder load at 500fps. Not very appealing after I learned that.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by elk396

He can't carry a sidearm while out hunting. Just because it's an antique, that doesn't make it less dangerous. He would either be a collector or need to be a member of a gun club, so there would be restrictions for you to carry underneath both of those, but neither would allow you to bring it on your hip to the bush, unless you are a trapper with special permission. don't get caught with that handgun out in the bush, or you won't be leaving the country again. They will charge you with a criminal offence, which will prevent you from crossing the border or possible prevent you from getting jobs. Weird part is, you can carry a defender shotgun in the bush, no problem, But not a .22 revolver.

Do you realize that you don't even have to hold a PAL to possess an antique status firearm? The storage and use requirements are pretty much the same as for non restricted firearms, you do not need to be at a range approved for restricted firearms, to legally discharge an antique status handgun.

[NinjaHunter]

ah, let me clarify my statement with this situation:

I shot a game animal, it's bleeding heavily, and cannot move due to blood lost. At this point, it's better to perform a mercy shot than let it suffer any longer, but I don't want to use my rifle for that.
If I had a revolver, I would just use the revolver to dispatch it.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by NinjaHunter

ah, let me clarify my statement with this situation:

I shot a game animal, it's bleeding heavily, and cannot move due to blood lost. At this point, it's better to perform a mercy shot than let it suffer any longer, but I don't want to use my rifle for that.
If I had a revolver, I would just use the revolver to dispatch it.

That would be illegal in Alberta. Finishing off a wounded game animal is hunting that animal.

[elk396]

Originally Posted by NinjaHunter

ah, let me clarify my statement with this situation:

I shot a game animal, it's bleeding heavily, and cannot move due to blood lost. At this point, it's better to perform a mercy shot than let it suffer any longer, but I don't want to use my rifle for that.
If I had a revolver, I would just use the revolver to dispatch it.

Completely Illegal Ninja, they'd show you no mercy on that if you got caught.

[elk396]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Do you realize that you don't even have to hold a PAL to possess an antique status firearm? The storage and use requirements are pretty much the same as for non restricted firearms, you do not need to be at a range approved for restricted firearms, to legally discharge an antique status handgun.

There's no way that is correct, if it was rendered inoperable, maybe, but there's no way they'd leave a loop hole like that out there, no way! Not if it's a handgun, maybe a muzzle loader. They have handguns so tightened up in Canada, that would never fly.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by elk396

There's no way that is correct, if it was rendered inoperable, maybe, but there's no way they'd leave a loop hole like that out there, no way! Not if it's a handgun, maybe a muzzle loader. They have handguns so tightened up in Canada, that would never fly.

No, actually elkhunter11 is correct. You are wrong.

[elk396]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

No, actually elkhunter11 is correct. You are wrong.

ill bet you can't fire it, maybe carry it, I'll phone the CFO monday, that is absolutely ridiculous considering the bs they put you thru to possess a non-antique handgun. I'm assuming the antique gun is fully capable of firing a round?

[elk396]

I'll phone and get it right from the horses arse, lol