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The mess that has developed in Vancouver
A very interesting video on the state of Vancouver's approach to its drug issue. An hour well spent in my opinion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT8OU8Yhs_s&t=1542s.
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Vancouver is a lost cause, this is what happens with the woke running things.
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When you accommodate, welcome, sponsor, openly enable, provide shoot up clinics, clean needles and nurses to monitor injections, teams running around reviving overdosed people....... What did they think would happen. 
Alberta should provide free transportation to BC for these people so they can go where they are welcomed and wanted.
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Vancouver is a lost cause, this is what happens with the woke running things.
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Canadas Portland!
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10-07-2022, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bushrat
When you accommodate, welcome, sponsor, openly enable, provide shoot up clinics, clean needles and nurses to monitor injections, teams running around reviving overdosed people....... What did they think would happen.
Alberta should provide free transportation to BC for these people so they can go where they are welcomed and wanted. |
Now there is a great idea,load up the homeless, and drug addicts in a bus, and deliver them to Vancouver, let Vancouver deal with them.
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10-07-2022, 11:48 PM
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Unfortunately true...
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10-08-2022, 05:24 AM
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Vancouver has been a cesspool for a long time and the lower mainland in general has had major drug issues for as long as I can remember. Areas of the city have been cleaned up or should I say pushed elsewhere many times
The whole lower mainland area has major drug issues and this partly do to how available they area for starters. The border and the port play a large roll in this because of it being an area drugs are imported into the country. Add in the level of immigration to the area. Yes majority are just people that come to Canada to live an honest life others do not. The portion that do not often bring criminal connections from overseas. Then you have the long history of drugs coming in at the US border through everything from simple smuggling to tunnels. There was a time BC bud was trade straight across for the same weight in US coke
Then you can add in the large number of gangs exploiting the drug trade and the area is saturated with drugs
The level of homeless in the area adds another factor and the milder weather plays a roll here
The poverty not just homeless in the lower mainland plays another big role. There is a large number of people scraping by do to poor wages vs expenses. It’s also much more difficult to find average employment to support a family. This developed families that are basically generations of welfare cases. The never developed a drive to do better because they never seen anything but their parents collect a check and run scams/theft. As soon as the kids qualify for welfare the parents encourage it. It’s an ugly cycle and unless kids have major drive to do better then there parents it continues. Not giving anyone excuses just mentioning the cycle I seen play out
This is just touching on part of the issues
I would love to blame the whole woke culture and their babying of addiction but it goes much deeper then that. I do believe they help speed up the process and possibly add to it. Really the Vancouver area has been a downward spiral for a long time
There is a reason many call the area the lower wasteland
Best thing I ever did was leave that crap hole
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So gross.
Every time I go into any city I simply can’t wait to get the heck out.
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So gross.
Every time I go into any city I simply can’t wait to get the heck out.
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To be fair... Anytime I go into any city I can't wait to get the heck out. haha!
Like any city, there are areas that are bad and areas not so bad. Too bad cities suck in general, especially ones where living outdoors year round is easier. It is always going to attract that element. Makes sense really.
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10-08-2022, 07:10 AM
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Would be somewhat ignorant to think Alberta wouldn’t be a hotbed of homeless addicts if winter didn’t cleanse the streets.
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10-08-2022, 07:19 AM
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Would be somewhat ignorant to think Alberta wouldn’t be a hotbed of homeless addicts if winter didn’t cleanse the streets.
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It’s more than just the weather that created the addiction issues in the lower mainland. Most addicts are not homeless but instead just group up to rent locations they flop at. Many may not have a permanent residence but instead drift from flop house to flop house too
The truly on the streets homeless the weather I do agree plays a roll but this is not what created the lower wastelands addiction problem
Alberta has its fair share of junkies but it’s not that causes lower number of addicts compared to the lower mainland
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Meanwhile in Edmonton...
https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/edmonton...2026-1.6086932
Call me stupid, but perhaps some of this "bike trail" funding could go towards the homeless/addicts? Of course not...not a priority I guess...
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Personally I'd rather see tax dollars spent on tax payers. But that's just me (a tax payer)
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10-08-2022, 08:08 AM
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Would be somewhat ignorant to think Alberta wouldn’t be a hotbed of homeless addicts if winter didn’t cleanse the streets.
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I agree with this.
I’d add that the state of homelessness and drug use in Alberta has grown exponentially in the last number of years as well. I’ve been taking the c-train for the last month and a bit to get to SAIT. It has been a real eye-opener. It was not a tenth this bad 20 years ago. The police are non-existent… I think they have simply given up… And I don’t blame them.
In my opinion, the main thing that has changed are the drugs: opiates such as fentanyl. People point to things like left woke politics, or right wing war on drugs, etc. I’m not convinced these are the source of most issues. And I have no idea what are solutions to this societal mess.
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10-08-2022, 08:12 AM
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So gross.
Every time I go into any city I simply can’t wait to get the heck out.
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Last time I was in Vancouver a couple of years ago, we had to step over people sleeping on the sidewalks, Politicians are incredibly stupid. Merchants sure weren't impressed, one sign of the problems was that the washrooms in most public areas, including Mac Donalds, were closed, I see the same in Red Deer these days.
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Red Deer has been the ******* for decades. Now Lethbridge and Medicine Hat are turning horribly bad. Cold winter should push them west.
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10-08-2022, 08:57 AM
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Red Deer has been the ******* for decades. Now Lethbridge and Medicine Hat are turning horribly bad. Cold winter should push them west.
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Can confirm, Lethbridge has turned into a cesspool.
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10-08-2022, 12:06 PM
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Rumour has it they sent a bunch up to FSJ lately, sure does seem like it’s true, lots more wandering the streets, hopefully they keep lots of shear bolts on hand this winter for the city snow blowers.
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10-08-2022, 01:25 PM
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Can confirm, Lethbridge has turned into a cesspool.
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More so again if NDP win the next election. The previous Lethbridge City Council and NDP Shannon Philips strongly endorsed this crazy enablement idea. Know City Police and EMS that were overwhelmed with the BS.
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Legalize and make crack, heroin, meth, and fentanyl totally free.
Crime rate drops drastically and you’ll have less addicts because they will be killing themselves.
Moose for mayor.
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10-08-2022, 01:33 PM
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Seriously though, small towns have just as much or more meth in them per capita. Only difference is they usually have somewhere to hang their hat and living on the street isn’t even an option.
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I enjoyed how the retired Cop points fingers at city counsel, and the woke Mayors. Yet the city council trying to defund the police. This problem exists throughout North America. I have witnessed this from San Diego, Honolulu, Anaheim, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle to Vancouver. The complete west coast has become tent Cities. How the young lady needs $300.00/ daily to pay for her drugs. This is why thefts are increasing exponentially (truck, watches, phones, wallets, etc). We are witnessing real time demise of Western Society, as we rot within (Rome also fell). Ugly yes.
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10-08-2022, 03:08 PM
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Rumour has it they sent a bunch up to FSJ lately, sure does seem like it’s true, lots more wandering the streets, hopefully they keep lots of shear bolts on hand this winter for the city snow blowers.
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Replace with grade 8. Finish the job
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10-08-2022, 03:18 PM
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Seriously though, small towns have just as much or more meth in them per capita. Only difference is they usually have somewhere to hang their hat and living on the street isn’t even an option.
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This is true. Small town Alberta is getting bad due to cheap(er) housing. Been like that for quite some time
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We’d get along great!
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10-08-2022, 06:40 PM
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Just took a tour down Hastings. Yup, pretty bad. But that was on our way to a more enjoyable place
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Now there is a great idea,load up the homeless, and drug addicts in a bus, and deliver them to Vancouver, let Vancouver deal with them.
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You really mean't to say a Boeing 747....
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The Chinese sent us this problem when any dealer could mail order fentanyl.
Their job was done very well indeed. The only option I see is make it all free, Talking Moose is right. In order to reduce property crimes I don’t see any other way.
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The Chinese sent us this problem when any dealer could mail order fentanyl.
Their job was done very well indeed. The only option I see is make it all free, Talking Moose is right. In order to reduce property crimes I don’t see any other way.
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Yep, Darwin’s law. Survival of the fittest.
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To be fair... Anytime I go into any city I can't wait to get the heck out. haha!
Like any city, there are areas that are bad and areas not so bad. Too bad cities suck in general, especially ones where living outdoors year round is easier. It is always going to attract that element. Makes sense really.
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Sadly there are tent camps for druggies in small towns in BC. In Parksville they camp under the bridge on the south side of town.
Everyone I went in BC this year… many small towns… druggies staggering around, sleeping in ditches, walking around parking lots. Very sad..
There are tents along the TransCanada one you pass Chillawack heading west.
The YouTube clip was well done. Made a lot of sense. And so sad it seems true.
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