ACA/APOS Ministers Tag Auction

Jim Blake · #1 03-26-2022, 06:10 AM

I just got an email from the ACA with the opportunity to bid on three new Ministers tags. An Antelope, moose or turkey. Interesting!

This will be an online auction. Register and participate.

Operated by APOS.

Rackmastr · #2 03-26-2022, 06:19 AM

I made a couple comments a few weeks back to a friend that I imagined Alberta would somehow drop the ball on setting up the new Ministers tags correctly. And wasnt surprised one bit.

First off, why wouldnt they create a resident raffle that coincides at the same time as the MSL auction tags, or ensure that the first hunts introduced were introduced to residents, and then build to promote the auction ones for the following season? These hunts and the planning seem horribly rushed and not well thought out, and thus wont help drive the value at auction.

Second....what does buying a Ministers antelope tag allow you to do, other than jump a couple zones and hunt with hundreds of people at the same time during the one-week rifle season?? What a frickin joke. Why wouldnt AB look at extending the season for antelope to be able to hunt at least a month BEFORE the season opens? A guy doesnt need to look far to realize that all you're buying is an antelope allocation in this case.

Moose, same thing. Where is the advantage in season dates, etc.

Ball dropped.....predictably.

cody j · #3 03-26-2022, 07:32 AM

In Arizona if you win a tag in the super raffle, you get to hunt for 365 days.

marky_mark · #4 03-26-2022, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cody j

In Arizona if you win a tag in the super raffle, you get to hunt for 365 days.

I was just going to say that lol
Auction tags too
https://www.onlinehuntingauctions.co...-Tag_i44446457

10 alberta ministers tags = 1 arizona

Rackmastr · #5 03-26-2022, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cody j

In Arizona if you win a tag in the super raffle, you get to hunt for 365 days.

Yep, exactly. Even opening up an antelope hunt for a month before would give a really nice benefit. I sure bet guys are lining up to hunt the regular 1 week season when they could just purchase the allocation from an outfitter if they wanted that option....lol

Smoky buck · #6 03-26-2022, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rackmastr

I made a couple comments a few weeks back to a friend that I imagined Alberta would somehow drop the ball on setting up the new Ministers tags correctly. And wasnt surprised one bit.

First off, why wouldnt they create a resident raffle that coincides at the same time as the MSL auction tags, or ensure that the first hunts introduced were introduced to residents, and then build to promote the auction ones for the following season? These hunts and the planning seem horribly rushed and not well thought out, and thus wont help drive the value at auction.

Second....what does buying a Ministers antelope tag allow you to do, other than jump a couple zones and hunt with hundreds of people at the same time during the one-week rifle season?? What a frickin joke. Why wouldnt AB look at extending the season for antelope to be able to hunt at least a month BEFORE the season opens? A guy doesnt need to look far to realize that all you're buying is an antelope allocation in this case.

Moose, same thing. Where is the advantage in season dates, etc.

Ball dropped.....predictably.

It’s to generate funding for wildlife and hopefully it does exactly that

There are those who will view it as a worthwhile opportunity and I don’t care if the money going to wildlife is from a resident or none resident myself. Personally I see nothing wrong with it

This is not about creating a hunting opportunity it’s about generating money for the resource we all use

Rackmastr · #7 03-26-2022, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Smoky buck

It’s to generate funding for wildlife and hopefully it does exactly that

Thats precisely my point. They could have done MUCH better job of creating more value in these tags by just doing some of the most obvious things to create a reason for bidders to spend. Didnt seem like they really wanted to create much funding for them or put much effort in rushing them to auction unfortunately.

This was a swing and a miss.

I am 100% in support of auction tags and generating funds for wildlife through them. But this stinks of an idea being rushed to auction with minimal planning to actually create value out of it.

Smoky buck · #8 03-26-2022, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rackmastr

Thats precisely my point. They could have done MUCH better job of creating more value in these tags by just doing some of the most obvious things to create a reason for bidders to spend. Didnt seem like they really wanted to create much funding for them or put much effort in rushing them to auction unfortunately.

This was a swing and a miss.

There is always room for improvement and sending constructive feedback/suggestions through the correct channels might set the ball in motion

calgarychef · #9 03-26-2022, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rackmastr

I made a couple comments a few weeks back to a friend that I imagined Alberta would somehow drop the ball on setting up the new Ministers tags correctly. And wasnt surprised one bit.

First off, why wouldnt they create a resident raffle that coincides at the same time as the MSL auction tags, or ensure that the first hunts introduced were introduced to residents, and then build to promote the auction ones for the following season? These hunts and the planning seem horribly rushed and not well thought out, and thus wont help drive the value at auction.

Second....what does buying a Ministers antelope tag allow you to do, other than jump a couple zones and hunt with hundreds of people at the same time during the one-week rifle season?? What a frickin joke. Why wouldnt AB look at extending the season for antelope to be able to hunt at least a month BEFORE the season opens? A guy doesnt need to look far to realize that all you're buying is an antelope allocation in this case.

Moose, same thing. Where is the advantage in season dates, etc.

Ball dropped.....predictably.

Good idea, allow someone to hunt a month earlier for antelope while the guys who have waited 15 years stand on the sidelines and watch the biggest trophy get taken. Every “great new idea” has a good side and a bad side.

Rackmastr · #10 03-26-2022, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by calgarychef

Good idea, allow someone to hunt a month earlier for antelope while the guys who have waited 15 years stand on the sidelines and watch the biggest trophy get taken. Every “great new idea” has a good side and a bad side.

Yep, not everyone's gonna like every idea, no doubt there. I'd imagine that every person who's spent more than a bit here has noticed that lol.

marky_mark · #11 03-26-2022, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by calgarychef

Good idea, allow someone to hunt a month earlier for antelope while the guys who have waited 15 years stand on the sidelines and watch the biggest trophy get taken. Every “great new idea” has a good side and a bad side.

You mean the guys that have $60 bucks invested into their tag

marky_mark · #12 03-26-2022, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Smoky buck

There is always room for improvement and sending constructive feedback/suggestions through the correct channels might set the ball in motion

Who ever came up with this idea, obviously put zero effort into it

If you had any smarts, you could have came on here. Thrown out a suggestion and had probably 25 really good ideas in 1 day.

That didnt happen

albertadave · #13 03-26-2022, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rackmastr

I made a couple comments a few weeks back to a friend that I imagined Alberta would somehow drop the ball on setting up the new Ministers tags correctly. And wasnt surprised one bit.

First off, why wouldnt they create a resident raffle that coincides at the same time as the MSL auction tags, or ensure that the first hunts introduced were introduced to residents, and then build to promote the auction ones for the following season? These hunts and the planning seem horribly rushed and not well thought out, and thus wont help drive the value at auction.

Second....what does buying a Ministers antelope tag allow you to do, other than jump a couple zones and hunt with hundreds of people at the same time during the one-week rifle season?? What a frickin joke. Why wouldnt AB look at extending the season for antelope to be able to hunt at least a month BEFORE the season opens? A guy doesnt need to look far to realize that all you're buying is an antelope allocation in this case.

Moose, same thing. Where is the advantage in season dates, etc.

Ball dropped.....predictably.

That's a good question. Very disappointing. A few years ago we fought hard, and won, to get AFGA to change the raffle rules so that the "rich guys" couldn't buy up all the raffle tickets on day 1, and let the "regular people" at least have a chance. Now, with these new licenses, they're not even going to bother with the raffle. Brutal.

Smoky buck · #14 03-26-2022, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by marky_mark

Who ever came up with this idea, obviously put zero effort into it

If you had any smarts, you could have came on here. Thrown out a suggestion and had probably 25 really good ideas in 1 day.

That didnt happen

Likely was some ideas thrown around but also a lot of hesitation trying not to offend each user group instead of doing what is right too

I don’t doubt if either of us was a fly on the wall during meetings we would be shaking our heads. There is always stupid politics involved

But I am not involved in any of this so I can only assume

Jim Blake · #15 03-26-2022, 08:34 AM

I'm not sure what APOS gets for administrating this.

What it kind of looks like to me is a quick way of getting the tags out the door to get some revenue. No tickets to produce or tickets sales time delay.

The idea of the tag availability is great but as posted above not much creative thought into maximizing tag value.

marky_mark · #16 03-26-2022, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by albertadave

That's a good question. Very disappointing. A few years ago we fought hard, and won, to get AFGA to change the raffle rules so that the "rich guys" couldn't buy up all the raffle tickets on day 1, and let the "regular people" at least have a chance. Now, with these new licenses, they're not even going to bother with the raffle. Brutal.

That was probably the last time any of these raffles sold out

marky_mark · #17 03-26-2022, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Likely was some ideas thrown around but also a lot of hesitation trying not to offend each user group instead of doing what is right too

I don’t doubt if either of us was a fly on the wall during meetings we would be shaking our heads. There is always stupid politics involved

But I am not involved in any of this so I can only assume

I agree

albertadave · #18 03-26-2022, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by marky_mark

That was probably the last time any of these raffles sold out

You're definitely predictable Mark. lol

walking buffalo · #19 03-26-2022, 08:50 AM

A question to each individual that is in support of these auction tags.

Where does the money go?
What is spent on administration?
What goes to "wildlife" and specifically how will it be spent?

Other than ingraining the concept of $ for Trophies, reduce the conservation pillar that wildlife is held in trust for ALL People,
what what will these tags actually accomplish for wildlife?

If anyone can answer these questions, please post them here so all can know too.

If you can't personally answer these questions,
How can you justify being in favor of these tags?

tbrown · #20 03-26-2022, 09:18 AM

Does anyone have a link for information about this auction? I wouldn’t mind reading about it/ look at the license rules. Thanks

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marky_mark · #21 03-26-2022, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by albertadave

You're definitely predictable Mark. lol

lol
Its a double edge sword
People want the dollars to go towards conserving the resource but then in the same breath they are mad because one person bought all the tickets

I just dont think these 3 new tags were very well thought out
There is no real incentive for residents or non residents to buy them. Only advantage to residents is you get to jump the line. But why would I pay a bunch of money for an alberta antelope tag, when you can get a better hunt for less money in the states? If you were able to avoid the rat race, then its worth it. Same season, not a chance!

There is no real purpose to having these tags the way they are set up

Jim Blake · #22 03-26-2022, 01:04 PM

I found the 5% buyers premium a bit weird. The proceeds go to the Midwest Chapter of the WSF in Northfield Minnesota.

marky_mark · #23 03-26-2022, 08:12 PM

Hahahahahahahhaa
The mcmahons bought them all

pikeslayer22 · #24 03-26-2022, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by marky_mark

Hahahahahahahhaa
The mcmahons bought them all

How much they go for?

marky_mark · #25 03-26-2022, 08:32 PM

3200
6100
16000

marky_mark · #26 03-26-2022, 08:37 PM

Ha it doesn’t say in the rules if they are transferable either
Whoever came up with the rules for these tags should be fired

pikeslayer22 · #27 03-26-2022, 09:34 PM

Wow!!

calgarychef · #28 03-26-2022, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by marky_mark

You mean the guys that have $60 bucks invested into their tag

It’s not the money, it’s the time

209x50 · #29 03-27-2022, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Blake

I'm not sure what APOS gets for administrating this.

What it kind of looks like to me is a quick way of getting the tags out the door to get some revenue. No tickets to produce or tickets sales time delay.

The idea of the tag availability is great but as posted above not much creative thought into maximizing tag value.

The same as AFGA got or any administrator of the tags, 15% of proceeds.

SteveY66 · #30 03-27-2022, 02:43 PM

Welcome to Alberta! The province where being a resident hunter is actually a disadvantage.