RCMP Commissioner speaks on gun control, Interesting

[pikergolf]

A recent spate of shootings is driving a swelling chorus of calls for a handgun ban — but the nation's top Mountie says she isn't convinced it's the answer.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/luck...-ban-1.4789317

[bat119]

Did anybody else notice the gun in the picture has a barrel less than the legal length of 105mm? CBC posted a recovered gun that been prohibited in Canada for over 20 years additionally the MP S&W wasn't available when the barrel ban came in so it had to have been smuggled.

CBC shooting themselves in the foot proof bans don't work

[HowSwedeItIs]

a sign of the end times

[elkhunter11]

"I'm not sure if a complete ban is the answer or tweaking the legislation to ensure more accountability. That's definitely something we need to study," RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki told Chris Hall, host of CBC's The House.

"But the bottom line is one life taken by one handgun is one life too many, so we definitely need to look at alternative ways of dealing with that situation."

So concerning accountability, and saving even one life, what does she intend to do to keep even one RCMP handgun,from falling into criminal hands?

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So concerning accountability, and saving even one life, what does she intend to do to keep even one RCMP handgun,from falling into criminal hands?

Give it a rest. Between High River and the 1 or 2 police issued firearms which get stolen each year, you really need to find a new angle or some new material. You sound like a broken record and I haven't used that analogy in years.

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

A recent spate of shootings is driving a swelling chorus of calls for a handgun ban — but the nation's top Mountie says she isn't convinced it's the answer.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/luck...-ban-1.4789317

She is a solid individual and probably the best thing to happen to the RCMP in the last 20 to 30 years. She was the CO on Western Alberta District prior to taking the CO role at Depot. I have had the privilege of conversing with her at several social events and have heard nothing but praise from the Members that have worked for her.

[Scott N]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

She is a solid individual and probably the best thing to happen to the RCMP in the last 20 to 30 years. She was the CO on Western Alberta District prior to taking the CO role at Depot. I have had the privilege of conversing with her at several social events and have heard nothing but praise from the Members that have worked for her.

The question is, will she change anything regarding RCMP "culture"? The RCMP have problems with credibility and accountability.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Give it a rest. Between High River and the 1 or 2 police issued firearms which get stolen each year, you really need to find a new angle or some new material. You sound like a broken record and I haven't used that analogy in years.

She is the one talking about accountability, and "one life", so she should be demonstrating what she is going to do , to make the RCMP accountable, and to prevent the possibility of "one " RCMP firearm from falling into the hands of criminals, where the result could be a life lost. If she expects the public to be accountable, and to do what is required to prevent a single life from being lost , due to firearms, she should be demonstrating how her organization is going to lead by example.

[nube]

I actually know her a little. She will do what she can to fight the politicians off. She comes from a good family and I work with her brother. She isn't anti gun but I am sure with politics involved anything is possible. I think she can and will handle it all no prob

[Big Grey Wolf]

Montreal cites 4 mass shootings in last 30 years and states we need to ban handguns in Canada. The Americans have almost 300 mass shootings each year. How can you possibly keep their more than 300 million guns out of Canada in the hands of gangs involved with drugs??

[bat119]

We can only hope common sense prevails
How would a complete handgun ban work? Would gun owners be expected to surrender their guns without compensation? If the government did provide payment the cost would be in the billions not including more billions to set up a payback system.
Most gun owners would comply to a ban but there would be the "take it from my cold dead hands" crew that would require wasting of law enforcement resources to enforce. In order to pass a ban it would take years to go through Parliament and then more years for the legal challenges meanwhile the gangs would continue having shoot outs in downtown TO.

Another misinformed call to is to ban "hand gun" ammunition I imagine Liberals think you walk into a store with white generic boxes marked Handgun on the box, ban the sale of 22 LR because it can be used in a handgun?
Any kind of gun ban would be years in the making, hopefully a more intelligent government would come into power before any of this nonsense happens.

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

She is the one talking about accountability, and "one life", so she should be demonstrating what she is going to do , to make the RCMP accountable, and to prevent the possibility of "one " RCMP firearm from falling into the hands of criminals, where the result could be a life lost. If she expects the public to be accountable, and to do what is required to prevent a single life from being lost , due to firearms, she should be demonstrating how her organization is going to lead by example.

You do realize this was reported yesterday, right?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

You do realize this was reported yesterday, right?

The topic didn't just come up yesterday, it has been in the news since the Toronto shooting. If she has a plan to deal with the current situation, she could have stated that, when she made her statement. And if she has no plan to make her own organization more accountable, then she won't get much buy in from the public, on any plan to make the general public more accountable. ''Do as we do", always gets more support, than "do as we say".

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The topic didn't just come up yesterday, it has been in the news since the Toronto shooting. If she has a plan to deal with the current situation, she could have stated that, when she made her statement. And if she has no plan to make her own organization more accountable, then she won't get much buy in from the public, on any plan to make the general public more accountable. ''Do as we do", always gets more support, than "do as we say".

What, 1 thread is not enough for you to rant about the RCMP having a firearm stolen from an RCMP vehicle?

How the heck did you spin this into a negative?

A recent spate of shootings is driving a swelling chorus of calls for a handgun ban — but the nation's top Mountie says she isn't convinced it's the answer.

Are you in favor of a handgun ban?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

What, 1 thread is not enough for you to rant about the RCMP having a firearm stolen from an RCMP vehicle?

How the heck did you spin this into a negative?

A recent spate of shootings is driving a swelling chorus of calls for a handgun ban — but the nation's top Mountie says she isn't convinced it's the answer.

Are you in favor of a handgun ban?

She said that she isn't convinced that a ban is the answer, but she did mention more accountability. However, she didn't mention what accountability she is referring to, and she made no mention of any plan for the RCMP to take more accountability, so who do you suppose she is referring to as far as taking more accountability? While there may not be a total ban, I see that "accountability" referring to more regulations coming.

[bat119]

There is hope for rational thought

Vancouver Police Chief Adam Palmer, the newly elected president of the association, says while gun violence "ebbs and flows" across the country, the chiefs believe there has been a spike in illegal firearm use over the past year.

Palmer says Canada's current gun control regime is "actually very good" and the association is not calling for any wholesale legislative changes related to gun violence.
He says the issue isn't law-abiding people who want to possess firearms, but rather people who are involved in criminal activity who obtain guns through illegal means.
Palmer says of particular concern is a resurgence of lower-level street gangs he says are becoming "quite violent."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada...year-1.4054253

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

She said that she isn't convinced that a ban is the answer, but she did mention more accountability. However, she didn't mention what accountability she is referring to, and she made no mention of any plan for the RCMP to take more accountability, so who do you suppose she is referring to as far as taking more accountability? While there may not be a total ban, I see that "accountability" referring to more regulations coming.

So what are the answers?
I take it you must have them because you're so quick on the offense (as always with the RCMP).
Or do you just sit behind the keyboard, complain and add nothing of substance.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

A recent spate of shootings is driving a swelling chorus of calls for a handgun ban —

It looks to me like it is the media mostly CBC driving the chorus of calls for firearm bans.

I was traveling the day after the Danforth avenue shooting. That day CBC ran several segments interviewing anti gun zealots and taking calls on the subject, all the while suggesting that there was a public call for a outright ban on all handguns across the country.

But they cut off or ignored any statements that didn't support such a ban and continually steered the conversation back to banning handguns outright whenever the conversation went in any other direction.

CBC has never struck me as a on top of the latest news kinda organization yet they claim in this case to know the public's opinion on these shooting less the 24 hours after the event.

I don't buy it.

I was in the NWT and CBC was the only available station so I listened to a lot of nonsense they were spouting.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

Or do you just sit behind the keyboard, complain and add nothing of substance.

Sounds like every time you post.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

So what are the answers?
I take it you must have them because you're so quick on the offense (as always with the RCMP).
Or do you just sit behind the keyboard, complain and add nothing of substance.

How about we start by dealing harshly with criminals? Most of the stories in the media about firearms confiscations, during robbery investigations or drug busts, involve repeat offenders, many who are already prohibited from possessing firearms. If they were doing long prison sentences, instead of our catch and release legal system, they would not be running around committing armed robbery, like the people in the vehicle in the Stanley incident. And those people are still free, and the person that supplied them with a firearm, was likely not charged for providing a firearm to someone prohibited from possessing firearms. This selective enforcement, and the slap on the wrist sentences, is a big reason that these people are not afraid to keep committing offenses with firearms. We need more and harsher enforcement of the laws we have, not more laws, and even lighter sentences.

[liar]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

How about we start by dealing harshly with criminals? Most of the stories in the media about firearms confiscations, during robbery investigations or drug busts, involve repeat offenders, many who are already prohibited from possessing firearms. If they were doing long prison sentences, instead of our catch and release legal system, they would not be running around committing armed robbery, like the people in the vehicle in the Stanley incident. And those people are still free, and the person that supplied them with a firearm, was likely not charged for providing a firearm to someone prohibited from possessing firearms. This selective enforcement, and the slap on the wrist sentences, is a big reason that these people are not afraid to keep committing offenses with firearms. We need more and harsher enforcement of the laws we have, not more laws, and even lighter sentences.

yup

[Scott N]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

How about we start by dealing harshly with criminals? Most of the stories in the media about firearms confiscations, during robbery investigations or drug busts, involve repeat offenders, many who are already prohibited from possessing firearms. If they were doing long prison sentences, instead of our catch and release legal system, they would not be running around committing armed robbery, like the people in the vehicle in the Stanley incident. And those people are still free, and the person that supplied them with a firearm, was likely not charged for providing a firearm to someone prohibited from possessing firearms. This selective enforcement, and the slap on the wrist sentences, is a big reason that these people are not afraid to keep committing offenses with firearms. We need more and harsher enforcement of the laws we have, not more laws, and even lighter sentences.

X3.

[guywiththemule]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

How about we start by dealing harshly with criminals? Most of the stories in the media about firearms confiscations, during robbery investigations or drug busts, involve repeat offenders, many who are already prohibited from possessing firearms. If they were doing long prison sentences, instead of our catch and release legal system, they would not be running around committing armed robbery, like the people in the vehicle in the Stanley incident. And those people are still free, and the person that supplied them with a firearm, was likely not charged for providing a firearm to someone prohibited from possessing firearms. This selective enforcement, and the slap on the wrist sentences, is a big reason that these people are not afraid to keep committing offenses with firearms. We need more and harsher enforcement of the laws we have, not more laws, and even lighter sentences.

x4

[1bowhunter12]

X5

[2 Tollers]

Agree with Elk on getting tougher on criminals that use firearms. Lawyers will make hay on this no matter how it is approached.

Good article from Chris Doucette in the Toronto Sun -- Bullets and Bloodshed - Smoke and Mirrors. A bit of a long read. Not sure where he got his stats from and the accuracy.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...gangs-and-guns

[32-40win]

Actually, the cops themselves lose a few more firearms in a year than you may think, granted, some are at home in a break-in scenario, same as the rest of us, but, a lot are not. And apparently the RCMP is not compiling records on it anymore.

https://dennisryoung.ca/2017/07/18/r...ies-in-canada/

[Johnsonn2018]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Actually, the cops themselves lose a few more firearms in a year than you may think, granted, some are at home in a break-in scenario, same as the rest of us, but, a lot are not. And apparently the RCMP is not compiling records on it anymore.

https://dennisryoung.ca/2017/07/18/r...ies-in-canada/

Why would they?
Out of sight, out of mind!!!

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Johnsonn2018

Why would they?
Out of sight, out of mind!!!

If you don't like a stat, just make it go away.

[Johnsonn2018]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If you don't like a stat, just make it go away.

Why are you repeating me?

[michaelmicallef]

Originally Posted by bat119

We can only hope common sense prevails
How would a complete handgun ban work? Would gun owners be expected to surrender their guns without compensation? If the government did provide payment the cost would be in the billions not including more billions to set up a payback system.
Most gun owners would comply to a ban but there would be the "take it from my cold dead hands" crew that would require wasting of law enforcement resources to enforce. In order to pass a ban it would take years to go through Parliament and then more years for the legal challenges meanwhile the gangs would continue having shoot outs in downtown TO.

Another misinformed call to is to ban "hand gun" ammunition I imagine Liberals think you walk into a store with white generic boxes marked Handgun on the box, ban the sale of 22 LR because it can be used in a handgun?
Any kind of gun ban would be years in the making, hopefully a more intelligent government would come into power before any of this nonsense happens.

Common sense is a very hard thing to come by these days.