fire fighters fined for ignoring camp fire ban.

Grizzly Adams · #1 08-23-2017, 05:25 PM

Guess idiots can be found anywhere.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3691641/b-...b-c-wildfires/

Grizz

Battle Rat · #2 08-23-2017, 09:10 PM

The only thing they did wrong was post the pic.
You can damn sure bet they would not leave that fire unattended.
For as hard as they work they deserved a hot meal.
If you are ever expected to try to keep up with you would gain a new respect for what they endure.
You should finding a way to thank them and not focusing on little weiner fire.
It happens all time but they usually don't talk about it.
Yah they broke the rule, no harm done, now move along.
If I could find them I would buy them a beer.

ChrisGrohms · #3 08-23-2017, 09:17 PM

This happened over a month ago I believe.
My hats off to all those keeping us safe. That doesn't give them the right to break the rules though especially when you consider how DRY it is out here. You can't paint em all with the same brush but these guys deserve the online hazing and the fines they got. Are you okay with the cops breaking the rules cuz they enforce them?

Battle Rat · #4 08-23-2017, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisGrohms

This happened over a month ago I believe.
My hats off to all those keeping us safe. That doesn't give them the right to break the rules though especially when you consider how DRY it is out here. You can't paint em all with the same brush but these guys deserve the online hazing and the fines they got. Are you okay with the cops breaking the rules cuz they enforce them?

I sure am if it's jay walking or some other victimless crime that should be of no normal persons concern.
There was zero risk of them starting an uncontrolled fire.

ram crazy · #5 08-23-2017, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Battle Rat

The only thing they did wrong was post the pic.
You can damn sure bet they would not leave that fire unattended.
For as hard as they work they deserved a hot meal.
If you are ever expected to try to keep up with you would gain a new respect for what they endure.
You should finding a way to thank them and not focusing on little weiner fire.
It happens all time but they usually don't talk about it.
Yah they broke the rule, no harm done, now move along.
If I could find them I would buy them a beer.

What does any of this have to do with them breaking the law. That is a terrible mentality I work hard too, but that doesn't give me the right to do what ever I want. Makes a guy wonder why we have so many laws and regulations or even get access to hunt private land.

Jays toyz · #6 08-23-2017, 09:44 PM

The police have special training and regular practice that allows them responsibilities you and I are not allowed such as carrying a firearm or using electronics while driving among many others. Firefighters make their living controlling fire, the rules for having an open flame should not apply to them. How can you allow someone to set a back fire but fine them for a camp fire

Battle Rat · #7 08-23-2017, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ram crazy

What does any of this have to do with them breaking the law. That is a terrible mentality I work hard too, but that doesn't give me the right to do what ever I want. Makes a guy wonder why we have so many laws and regulations or even get access to hunt private land.

You're right, every hunter that go 5k over the speed limit on their way to the field should be called out.
Or I could mind my own business because it doesn't affect me.
Some people feel the need to throw stones.

creeky · #8 08-23-2017, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jays toyz

The police have special training and regular practice that allows them responsibilities you and I are not allowed such as carrying a firearm or using electronics while driving among many others. Firefighters make their living controlling fire, the rules for having an open flame should not apply to them. How can you allow someone to set a back fire but fine them for a camp fire

because there's camp fire ban in effect, that's why.

It's completely unacceptable what they did, and I'm a big supporter of firefighters and grateful for the sacrifices they make.

Creeky....

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Battle Rat · #9 08-23-2017, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jays toyz

The police have special training and regular practice that allows them responsibilities you and I are not allowed such as carrying a firearm or using electronics while driving among many others. Firefighters make their living controlling fire, the rules for having an open flame should not apply to them. How can you allow someone to set a back fire but fine them for a camp fire

Exactly. Is not the camp fire, next to a lake, properly extinguished that causes the wild fire.

gulfman · #10 08-23-2017, 10:14 PM

WOW............. totally agree with the punishment they received, they should not be above the law because there firefighters, they of all people should know better, irregarless of where the fire is located. Not setting a good example.

ETOWNCANUCK · #11 08-23-2017, 10:18 PM

I would think those that are specifically trained in these specialty areas are more than adept at knowing if what they do is a cause for concern.

These guys could have been in an area that conditions were minimal unlike in other areas.
It's not like they went into a tinder ready area and had their campfire.

And are the guys that are working there asses off to save resources and peoples homes not entitled to a break that they can enjoy?

If tha includes a brew or two around a fire that they themselves are capable of controlling, so be it.

Battle Rat · #12 08-23-2017, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gulfman

WOW............. totally agree with the punishment they received, they should not be above the law because there firefighters, they of all people should know better, irregarless of where the fire is located. Not setting a good example.

You are right, the photo did not set a good example.
I understand that a fine was needed to appease the whiners.
They will do it again, deeper in the trees with no pics, no one will know and no adverse affects will occur.
I'm OK with that just as I'm OK with my neighbour putting glass in the cardboard recycle bin.

R3illy · #13 08-23-2017, 11:00 PM

they fined others for camp fires in significantly less time. We dont have two sets of laws and rules for good reason. These fire fighters are Good people who made a stupid decision...

Fined and rightfully so.

R3illy · #14 08-23-2017, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

I would think those that are specifically trained in these specialty areas are more than adept at knowing if what they do is a cause for concern.

These guys could have been in an area that conditions were minimal unlike in other areas.
It's not like they went into a tinder ready area and had their campfire.

And are the guys that are working there asses off to save resources and peoples homes not entitled to a break that they can enjoy?

If tha includes a brew or two around a fire that they themselves are capable of controlling, so be it.

so a police officer should be able to let his friends go of petty crimes because their friends?? .. or can a cop drive drunk because he knows his limits better then others?

Your analogies make a disgrace of our laws. One set of rules for everyone. We must lay in the bed we created for ourselves...

This doesn't change because of your title or stature.

ETOWNCANUCK · #15 08-23-2017, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by R3illy

so a police officer should be able to let his friends go of petty crimes because their friends?? .. or can a cop drive drunk because he knows his limits better then others?

Your analogies make a disgrace of our laws. One set of rules for everyone. We must lay in the bed we created for ourselves...

This doesn't change because of your title or stature.

Talking two different things.

And yeah
Those who put themselves in harms way to save us should be allowed certain latitudes and forgiven for same.

Put on the uniform yourself and go running into that burning bush and tell me you wouldn't do the same if the conditions were right

R3illy · #16 08-24-2017, 12:02 AM

those who put themselves in harm's way eh? So a police officer just like I made an example of already? Is this latitude you wish these officers should be allowed include lying on the stand if it means putting away a bad guy? How about fabricating evidence at a crime scene so a bad guy doesnt get away?

Your still proposing a 2 tiered justice system where stature and ones position determines the outcome.

Is it that difficult to have the same laws applied to us all??

Bub · #17 08-24-2017, 12:23 AM

Lol. Fined and rightfully so! Why is it even a discussion? There is a law, it was broken, the guilty ones got fined. What does it matter if you are a firefighter making a fire during a fire ban, a cop going over the posted speed limit, etc? Pretty straight forward, it seems to me.

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Originally Posted by Battle Rat

I'm OK with that just as I'm OK with my neighbour putting glass in the cardboard recycle bin.

Figures.

ETOWNCANUCK · #18 08-24-2017, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by R3illy

those who put themselves in harm's way eh? So a police officer just like I made an example of already? Is this latitude you wish these officers should be allowed include lying on the stand if it means putting away a bad guy? How about fabricating evidence at a crime scene so a bad guy doesnt get away?

Your still proposing a 2 tiered justice system where stature and ones position determines the outcome.

Is it that difficult to have the same laws applied to us all??

Again two different things.
Way different.
And you are trying to put words in my post that are not there.

And you are going way off the mark with the police thing.

If by doing so they caused another fire to start, then yes throw the book at them.

But to have what appears to be a recreational moment?
Pic isn't even timed stamped so could be someone trying to discredit them.

Bub · #19 08-24-2017, 01:46 AM

^ yeah, like a cop going over the posted speed limit is totally fine, right? I mean he was only doing eighty in a school zone and he is trained to drive fast in all circumstances. lol. Shouldn't really take a rocket scientist to understand this one.

HowSwedeItIs · #20 08-24-2017, 06:30 AM

The way some of you talk you would think that these firefighters died for our sins

The rules are the rules- doesn't look good for the ministry to have gov employees thumbing their noses at a province-wide ban. Its the principle of it

Marsha · #21 08-24-2017, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Battle Rat

The only thing they did wrong was post the pic.
You can damn sure bet they would not leave that fire unattended.
For as hard as they work they deserved a hot meal.
If you are ever expected to try to keep up with you would gain a new respect for what they endure.
You should finding a way to thank them and not focusing on little weiner fire.
It happens all time but they usually don't talk about it.
Yah they broke the rule, no harm done, now move along.
If I could find them I would buy them a beer.

My god because they work hard they can break the law?
What a example they set, Do as we say not as We do?
To say deserve a hot meal? see the size of that fire? That is not a cooking fire!!
Little weiner fire?

My nephew is a fire fighter in BC and their reactions are hard against this type of nonsense. "We swear and curse the idiots with campfires, believe me these idiots are gone.."

Kurt505 · #22 08-24-2017, 07:48 AM

They broke the law and got fined just like anyone else and I wouldn't expect anything different. Just because you know how to put out a fire, doesn't mean you can light a fire whenever, wherever you want. The fire ban was put in place to protect the public period.

Firefighters shouldn't have to follow fire bans? Why can't cops pack heat off duty? It's not hurting anyone right? Laws are there for a reason (most times), break them and get charged, it's pretty simple.

elkhunter11 · #23 08-24-2017, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by creeky

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because there's camp fire ban in effect, that's why.

It's completely unacceptable what they did, and I'm a big supporter of firefighters and grateful for the sacrifices they make.

Creeky....

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I agree, the rules are for everyone , and the firefighters should be setting a good example by following them. As for the specialized training nonsense, that someone mentioned, that excuse is no more valid than allowing off duty police officers to exceed the posted speed limits or text while driving, because of their "specialized training".

Pathfinder76 · #24 08-24-2017, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Battle Rat

The only thing they did wrong was post the pic.
You can damn sure bet they would not leave that fire unattended.
For as hard as they work they deserved a hot meal.
If you are ever expected to try to keep up with you would gain a new respect for what they endure.
You should finding a way to thank them and not focusing on little weiner fire.
It happens all time but they usually don't talk about it.
Yah they broke the rule, no harm done, now move along.
If I could find them I would buy them a beer.

Do as I say, not as I do.

It doesn't work that way. Sorry.

trailraat · #25 08-24-2017, 08:26 AM

I worked for 4 seasons fire fighting in BC. While I agree that the risk was probably low, it still doesn't make it acceptable. It was an incredibly careless and tone-deaf thing to do. Most of the fire crews are primarily made up of university students with a few guys who hang around for 10+ years. Most of the crews take a lot of pride in doing the job well and work to maintain an image of professionalism. You don't have a roaring bonfire while people are being evacuated and at risk of losing their homes.

Okotokian · #26 08-24-2017, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Battle Rat

The only thing they did wrong was post the pic.
You can damn sure bet they would not leave that fire unattended.
For as hard as they work they deserved a hot meal.
If you are ever expected to try to keep up with you would gain a new respect for what they endure.
You should finding a way to thank them and not focusing on little weiner fire.
It happens all time but they usually don't talk about it.
Yah they broke the rule, no harm done, now move along.
If I could find them I would buy them a beer.

The value of their work is of no consequence. Police do a tough job too, we don't let them drink and drive and look the other way (or shouldn't anyway). I would hazard to guess fire crews have access to warm food back in camp that doesn't have to be cooked over an open fire.