Who has 1 and what ya shooting -257 WBy

[buckbrushoutdoors]

80gr ttsx at 4000fps is mind blowing on what that little bullet can do

[Cowtown guy]

Originally Posted by Beeman3

I shoot a 25-06 AI and it is comparable to a 257 Weatherby. It will shoot 115 Bergers at 3350 fps with H1000. For a longer range rig I would look into this combo. The 25's are fun but really lack high BC bullets. This load will hold enough velocity to expand the berger out to 800 yds @ 1791.8 fps. Problem is the light bullet is out of energy at 800 yds, only has 819.8 ft lbs left. So for over 1000 ft lbs limit shots on deer size game to 650 yds.

If the bullet will open, it has what it needs. It's the opening of the bullet that is required to kill a critter. After the bullet opens, energy has nothing at all to do with a dead critter. It's holes in vitals that kill an animal.
After the bullet opens it only needs momentum. At 1792 fps it has plenty of that.
I do applaud you in trying to be as cautious as possible for the sake of the critter. More people should take a few notes.

[gitrdun]

Too funny!

[Smokinyotes]

Originally Posted by gitrdun

Too funny!

Yvan do you have something to add or just increasing your post count?

[STY181]

I found 117 Sierra's printed the same as 115 partitions with the same load and where a lot cheaper sighting in and fooling around at the range

[Smokinyotes]

Just thought I would give this a bump and a quick review of my Tikka T3x that KS arms rebarreled to 257 wby. These barrels are pretty fast and I am getting about a 100fps faster velocities than the loading manuals. Currently using 110 accubonds with Nosler Brass Fed 215m primers and 73 gr of H1000 @3495fps and 0.261” 3 shot groups.

115 ballistic tips with Reloader 25 gave a velocity of 3382 and just over 0.3” groups. Needless to say I will be buying more KS Arms barrels.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

Just thought I would give this a bump and a quick review of my Tikka T3x that KS arms rebarreled to 257 wby. These barrels are pretty fast and I am getting about a 100fps faster velocities than the loading manuals. Currently using 110 accubonds with Nosler Brass Fed 215m primers and 73 gr of H1000 @3495fps and 0.261” 3 shot groups.

115 ballistic tips with Reloader 25 gave a velocity of 3382 and just over 0.3” groups. Needless to say I will be buying more KS Arms barrels.

You simply can't ask for better results !!! Enjoy the Bee .... when you find the right recipe and pills there is nothing that makes you more confident.

[MooseRiverTrapper]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

Just thought I would give this a bump and a quick review of my Tikka T3x that KS arms rebarreled to 257 wby. These barrels are pretty fast and I am getting about a 100fps faster velocities than the loading manuals. Currently using 110 accubonds with Nosler Brass Fed 215m primers and 73 gr of H1000 @3495fps and 0.261” 3 shot groups.

115 ballistic tips with Reloader 25 gave a velocity of 3382 and just over 0.3” groups. Needless to say I will be buying more KS Arms barrels.

That sounds like a sweet little rig.

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

Just thought I would give this a bump and a quick review of my Tikka T3x that KS arms rebarreled to 257 wby. These barrels are pretty fast and I am getting about a 100fps faster velocities than the loading manuals. Currently using 110 accubonds with Nosler Brass Fed 215m primers and 73 gr of H1000 @3495fps and 0.261” 3 shot groups.

115 ballistic tips with Reloader 25 gave a velocity of 3382 and just over 0.3” groups. Needless to say I will be buying more KS Arms barrels.

3500 fps with 110 grain bulletss is nothing to sneeze at. Great velocity and accuracy both. Guys still don't give old Roy Weatherby the credit he deserves for the combination of barrel life, speed and accuracy his rounds develop. Glad to hear the KS Arms barrels and work turned out so well, would have been surprised if old Karl's work wasn't still exceptional, it always has been in the past. I think I have a candidate for a new barrel, will have to go see him.

[Dubious]

Oh no somebody said something bad about the Barnes now the Barnes cult is going to go crazy we all know you guys like the Barnes a lot and if they work for you that’s fantastic but don’t take is so personal when people don’t like them. there lots of great bullets in the 25 cals there’s the swift scirocco 2 in 100 gr that are about 3500fps i haven’t finished that load or the 100 gr partitions yet. I’ve developed a load with the Berger 115’s that shoot sub Moa groups a little slow at 3100fps but those groups, so tiny and so repeatable. Made a 70gr blits king that shoots at 3900 FPS but there hard on the brass so it’s back to a far mor reasonable 3500fps. You can even try the a-frames in 100-120 gr of you want a super premium. The 25 cal rifles have a lot of haters And that’s fine keep shooting your caliber that works for you at the standard hunting ranges for me the deer don’t give a hoot about B.C. I dont know how many times Ive been told the 25-06 is to light for deer. Well boys the deer and elk didn’t get the memo.

[lclund1946]

What does the 257 Weatherby, running a 110 AB to 3495, really gain over a 7mm-08 running a 120 BT to 3200 fps? Better barrel life? About 27 grains more powder burnt. About 1/2 again as much recoil from a comfortable 12 ft. lbs to a relative stiff 19.35 ft. lbs. All this for modest increase in Point Blank Range on a 6" target ( 300 yards versus 280 yards). If you consider 1200 ft lbs retained energy sufficient for killing a deer then you have stretched your capability of doing this from 500 yards to a bit over 550 yards.

For practical hunting applications I really see no great advantage especially when the 7mm08 has ability to run heavier bullets if you choose. I believe that same can be said about the 6.5 CM and then I believe that the 6.5 PRC will even do better with the 120-130 bullets running at very modest pressures if it shoots like my 6.5 EXTREME with the 120 BT or Swift Sir II with 61-62 grains of powder.
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[Dean2]

Iclund

One can always make the argument that you can get within a couple of hundred feet per second for 20 grains less powder than whatever Eargerspitin Louden Boomer magnum a guy is playing with. In the end I have decided that all of that is just completely irrelevant. More boom, more speed, more toys are all good things if you find it fun and can afford it.

If I was on limited funds I would own a combination 12 gauge over 7x57R, 30-06 or 308. That one gun would do everything a guy ever needed to do in North America and most of the rest of the world. HOWEVER, since I can easily afford to burn out barrels and buy and sell all sorts of guns to play with, that is what I and many on here like to do. Practicality really isn't one of the key success factors.

We all know we can do just about as much for less, but what fun is that. No point in bringing up the obvious, those of us who like these barrel burners already know they aren't the most efficient cartridges around.

[lclund1946]

Originally Posted by Dean2

Iclund

One can always make the argument that you can get within a couple of hundred feet per second for 20 grains less powder than whatever Eargerspitin Louden Boomer magnum a guy is playing with. In the end I have decided that all of that is just completely irrelevant. More boom, more speed, more toys are all good things if you find it fun and can afford it.

If I was on limited funds I would own a combination 12 gauge over 7x57R, 30-06 or 308. That one gun would do everything a guy ever needed to do in North America and most of the rest of the world. HOWEVER, since I can easily afford to burn out barrels and buy and sell all sorts of guns to play with, that is what I and many on here like to do. Practicality really isn't one of the key success factors.

We all know we can do just about as much for less, but what fun is that. No point in bringing up the obvious, those of us who like these barrel burners already know they aren't the most efficient cartridges around.

To each his own Dean but not everyone out there is aware of the inefficiencies and the extra recoil of the Weatherby Wonders. I prefer to have them understand that they are not really getting much bang for their buck and not everyone has more money than they know what to do with.

[Smokinyotes]

Originally Posted by lclund1946

To each his own Dean but not everyone out there is aware of the inefficiencies and the extra recoil of the Weatherby Wonders. I prefer to have them understand that they are not really getting much bang for their buck and not everyone has more money than they know what to do with.

The reason I have a 257 wby is because I wanted one and could care less about how efficient it is. It is fun to shoot and I don’t find the recoil bad at all. With a 300 yard zero it works great on coyotes. Laid the cross hairs on the top of a coyotes back the other night at 380 yards- dead coyote. As far as energy, or ballistics compared to a 7-08, I never compared the two at all because I have no desire to own a 7-08.

For a hunting rifle I really don’t care about the 1200 ft lb rule because in reality I probably will never shoot a big game animal with the 257. I have the odd other rifle that is probably better suited for big game.

[Dubious]

Your read it here first guys the 7mm08 is the new master cartridge trade in and destroy all other calibers their all useless when compared to the vastly superior capabilities of the 7mm08.

All jokes aside when people make caliber selections they make them for personal reasons who knows maybe the op is a speed freak and just wants to spit those 70 grr blitz kings over 4000 fps like it’s not big deal. It’s hard not to get caught up in manufacturer stats or opinions on these things either. It’s known that bc on bullets are marked up sometimes as much as 5% that number sells bullets. at the same time if I’m shooting a .250 bc bullet at sub moa at 300 yards and your shooting a .700 bc bullet at 300 yards and we both kill deer one shot does bc make a difference to the deer. Or maybe it’s where the rifle falls in uses perhaps he likes the idea of light varmit bullets and it’s capabilities there Vs the heavy 7mm bullets cause you can absolutely still harvest elk with a 25 cal bullets. Maybe he wants a rifle that he can say he has burned a barrel out of.

[lclund1946]

Originally Posted by Dubious

Your read it here first guys the 7mm08 is the new master cartridge trade in and destroy all other calibers their all useless when compared to the vastly superior capabilities of the 7mm08.

All jokes aside when people make caliber selections they make them for personal reasons who knows maybe the op is a speed freak and just wants to spit those 70 grr blitz kings over 4000 fps like it’s not big deal. It’s hard not to get caught up in manufacturer stats or opinions on these things either. It’s known that bc on bullets are marked up sometimes as much as 5% that number sells bullets. at the same time if I’m shooting a .250 bc bullet at sub moa at 300 yards and your shooting a .700 bc bullet at 300 yards and we both kill deer one shot does bc make a difference to the deer. Or maybe it’s where the rifle falls in uses perhaps he likes the idea of light varmit bullets and it’s capabilities there Vs the heavy 7mm bullets cause you can absolutely still harvest elk with a 25 cal bullets. Maybe he wants a rifle that he can say he has burned a barrel out of.

I really did not make any claims that the 7mm08 was vastly superior to other cartridges, as you jokingly pointed out. The reason people choose cartridges such as the 257 Weatherby is because they want one and that is their prerogative. However they are usually motivated by a preconceived notion that the 257 WB and other powder burners are vastly superior to other cartridges that are much more efficient and pleasant to shoot.

Actually the 7mm08 with the 120 BT at 3200 fps, Zeroed at 300 yards, will drop 5 3/4" at 365 yards which is the same as the WB 110 AB at 380 yards. It will only drop 7", or 1 1/4" MORE AT 380 yards so the WB has gained 15 yards at the expense of 50 % more powder and felt recoil.

[Dubious]

50% more powder is unlikely, nosler reloading manual is showing the 110gr bullets load between 61-74 gr of powder at 3100- 3475fps 80-90% of load density case capacity stated at 81gr of water. 7mm-08 120 gr are at 39-52 gr of powder at 2800-3260fps with a load density of 80-108% with 50.4 gr of water. Straight up speed to speed 7mm08 velocity matches the Weatherby only at the lower loads for the Weatherby. As for recoil what are the weights of the rifles how hot is the ammo are they breaked an ultra light 7mm08 loaded with heavy hot cartridges can exceed the recoil of 300wm just as a light loaded 9.5lb Weatherby can cut its felt recoil drastically.

This is exactly where people get tricked by stats and marketing when you cherry pick stats of one cartridge over another you start seeing things that are true but only a small sample of the data that may only be accurate in specific scenarios. The 7mm08 and other short action rifles are fantastic and do have very real advantages and drawbacks. Larger cal rifles vs smaller cal rifles also share some similar stats really comes down to what your going to do with it. Both rifles will take game just fine.

[lclund1946]

Originally Posted by Dubious

50% more powder is unlikely, nosler reloading manual is showing the 110gr bullets load between 61-74 gr of powder at 3100- 3475fps 80-90% of load density case capacity stated at 81gr of water. 7mm-08 120 gr are at 39-52 gr of powder at 2800-3260fps with a load density of 80-108% with 50.4 gr of water. Straight up speed to speed 7mm08 velocity matches the Weatherby only at the lower loads for the Weatherby. As for recoil what are the weights of the rifles how hot is the ammo are they breaked an ultra light 7mm08 loaded with heavy hot cartridges can exceed the recoil of 300wm just as a light loaded 9.5lb Weatherby can cut its felt recoil drastically.

This is exactly where people get tricked by stats and marketing when you cherry pick stats of one cartridge over another you start seeing things that are true but only a small sample of the data that may only be accurate in specific scenarios. The 7mm08 and other short action rifles are fantastic and do have very real advantages and drawbacks. Larger cal rifles vs smaller cal rifles also share some similar stats really comes down to what your going to do with it. Both rifles will take game just fine.

The real problem is when people do not want to believe the facts, or understand them, when they are presented to them. When I stated 50% more powder, which you think is unlikely, I used the figure of 73 grains of H 1000 getting 3495 with a 110 AB in the 257 WB that Smokinyotes claimed.
I have plenty of data to show that I got 3200 with 47.3 grains of Varget ahead of a 120 BT in more than one 7mm-08. That is actually 58% more powder if you do the math. Further I used these figures with my Recoil calculator using 8# 11 oz. weight for both guns and got 19.35 ft. lbs for the WB and 12 ft. lbs for the 7-08 which is actually 61.25 % more recoil. To put that into perspective a 30-06 pushing a 180 grain bullet to 2600 fo second in a rifle of the same weight generates about 19.28 ft. lbs. recoil.
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As you can see I was not cherry picking, as you suggested, and that is the reason I would never pick a 257 WB over a 7mm-08. Actually for long range coyote shooting I would do a 22X47Lapua or a 22 EXTREME with the 90 VLD at around 3200 fps. It would have less than 10 ft. lbs recoil, in an 8# 11 oz. rifle, and require the same hold on a coyote at 380 yards when sighted for 300 yards. I would only require about 45 grains of powder to get the job done to 1000 yards.

[elkhunter11]

When I had my 257wby, I loaded H-1000 behind the 100gr Partition to take deer, pronghorn, mountain goat and elk. With a muzzle velocity of 3500fps, it worked well on 30-35 animals.

[Dubious]

So specifically picking a load that used 58% more powder and comparing it as a generilisation isn’t cherry picking interesting...

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by Dubious

So specifically picking a load that used 58% more powder and comparing it as a generilisation isn’t cherry picking interesting...

I have been around Iclund for a long time and on more than one forum. While very knowledgeable he has no ability to give any credit to anyone who does not see the world EXACTLY like he does. He will never concede that another point of view may be valid. You will NEVER win an argument with Iclund or even be able to get him to see your point of view at all. He has unlimited time and interest in responding and will do so till you are plain worn out. I pretty much say what I think about his comments and respond no further to his endless responses because it is a plain waste of time. Do as you like but this is my experience.

That, and as usual his comments are completely off topic. No one asked about a better solution or different solution, the discussion was about loads and results for the 257 Bee.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Dean2

I have been around Iclund for a long time and on more than one forum. While very knowledgeable he has no ability to give any credit to anyone who does not see the world EXACTLY like he does. He will never concede that another point of view may be valid. You will NEVER win an argument with Iclund or even be able to get him to see your point of view at all. He has unlimited time and interest in responding and will do so till you are plain worn out. I pretty much say what I think about his comments and respond no further to his endless responses because it is a plain waste of time. Do as you like but this is my experience.

That, and as usual his comments are completely off topic. No one asked about a better solution or different solution, the discussion was about loads and results for the 257 Bee.

+1 But at least we weren't bombarded with yet another batch of cartridge drawings this time.

[Smokinyotes]

Iclund- so in reality you pick the the 7-08 over the 257 because of the reduced recoil. I find the recoil pretty mild on the 257 compared to my 300wm with 200-215 bullets or my 45/70 with 350-400 gr bullets.

When I started this thread I didn’t ask anything about recoil, I was really just wondering what loads work in the 257 to get the best performance.

Yes I realize there is nothing wrong with a 7-08 but when most guys are asking what rifle for their 100 lb wife or 12 year old daughter the first two rifles recommended are the 243 or 7-08.

I don’t really have a feminine side and don’t mind the recoil even from the 300 and 338 Rum.

I never built this 257 to be a target shooter or a bench gun and it probably won’t see a 100 rounds a year so with a 50% increase in powder consumption over the 7-08 probably won’t make that big of difference on when I can afford to retire.

[Homesteader]

Oh Iclund, such a can of worms, lol.

Hey Smokinyotes, you can borrow my 308, I’ll load up some 130g Barnes in a heater smoker load, that shall smite all 7-08 loads ever created. Hahahaha.

Just to tempt you further it’s a Tikka!

[lclund1946]

Originally Posted by Dean2

I have been around Iclund for a long time and on more than one forum. While very knowledgeable he has no ability to give any credit to anyone who does not see the world EXACTLY like he does. He will never concede that another point of view may be valid. You will NEVER win an argument with Iclund or even be able to get him to see your point of view at all. He has unlimited time and interest in responding and will do so till you are plain worn out. I pretty much say what I think about his comments and respond no further to his endless responses because it is a plain waste of time. Do as you like but this is my experience.

That, and as usual his comments are completely off topic. No one asked about a better solution or different solution, the discussion was about loads and results for the 257 Bee.

Well Dean your comments are really unwarranted as I am nothing like you portrayed as I am always willing to accept another point of view if it is valid. Dubois made accusations and insinuations that I made claims that were not true or cherry picked. It is really you and the others that don't want to accept my point of view. You and others portrayed the 257 WB as some magical laser beam that shoots coyotes much further than the facts portray. My point of view, which is proven by the facts, is that the 257 WB is just another of Mr. Weatherby's powder burners that really does just kick harder and burn more powder than many calibers, that are much more shooter friendly, with very little gain. Someone else mentioned a 270 Win which will likely be somewhere in between the 7mm 08 and the 257 WB with the 110 V-Max at 3300 fps, likely 375 yards instead of 380 on a coyote.

I am not the only one who suggested another caliber but as usual you and elkhunter II prefer to resort to personal attacks to draw attention away from the facts when I present them. Hopefully my comments will help others make a more informed decision when choosing a caliber for shooting coyotes. If they still choose to buy a 257 WB that is their choice.

[tony d]

I use my 257 for deer in November usually don’t hunt deer till then but I load 80 ttsx in my blaser over a stiff load of 7828 it’s a point and shoot rifle lots of fun and crazy fast results one of these years I’m going to use it on an elk or moose just haven’t gotten around to it

[25-284]

In my 257 wby and Arnold , I have shot 117gr interlocks and 115gr partitions over 7828. For years. For all around hunting in Alberta