Another case of Too Much Best Of The West

[elkhunter11]

I was out at the range today, developing loads for a rifle, when a fellow shows up, just like many other shooters. His shooting was mediocre at best, but as myself and another couple of shooters were chatting, he comes over and tells us how he can't wait until he gets his Huskemaw scope, so he can shoot game at 700 yards. I ask him what he shoots, and he replies that he shoots a T-3 in 300win mag. I ask him if he handloads, to which he replies no. I ask him how far he shoots the gun now, which he replies, he isn't comfortable shooting past 200 yards, and he doesn't shoot the gun much, because he doesn't like the recoil. Then he tells us how he will be able to hit a pop can at 700 yards, as soon as he gets the Huskemaw. I ask him if he has a chronograph to measure the velocity of the factory load that he shoots, and he replies no. I ask him how much experience he has judging wind, and he replies next to none, but it doesn't matter, because the Huskemaw scope will compensate for the wind. The other shooter that I was chatting with, mentions temperature and altitude compensation, and he replies that the people setting up the scope for him will take that into consideration, so he won't have too. He goes on to tell us that he currently shoots at animals at distances that he doesn't feel comfortable at, but with the Huskemaw, he will now have a much better chance at hitting them. I ask him why he shoots at animals that he knows that he likely won't hit, to which he replies if you don't shoot, you have no chance, and some chance is better than none.

I really wish that people like this would not watch shows like Best Of The West.

[catnthehat]

Typical, we are seeing it more and more up here.
There has been a rash of high dollar, big calibre boomers up here as well, many having never fired at any great distance before but all convinced that the cartridge will compensate for their lack of ability.
Not only on the center fire range but on all the ranges.
I was never aware that a $3,500 shotgun would outshoot a $700 shotgun, even if the guy shooting the cheaper Turkish gun was shooting it better than the guy with the B gun!!

Cat

[sullijr]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Typical, we are seeing it more and more up here.
There has been a rash of high dollar, big calibre boomers up here as well, many having never fired at any great distance before but all convinced that the cartridge will compensate for their lack of ability.
Not only on the center fire range but on all the ranges.
I was never aware that a $3,500 shotgun would outshoot a $700 shotgun, even if the guy shooting the cheaper Turkish gun was shooting it better than the guy with the B gun!!

Cat

I have my wife convinced that a $28,000 Peratzzi will outshoot any other shotgun and don't any one tell her different

[Lefty-Canuck]

These "Best of the West" fan boys.....are like people who buy a Bow-Flex and expect that just by owning it you shed 40lbs and become shredded.....good gear can assist to hone your skills but you need some skills to begin with....

LC

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by sullijr

I have my wife convinced that a $28,000 Peratzzi will outshoot any other shotgun and don't any one tell her different

THAT is completely different, and if she asks me I will tell her "of course"!!
Cat

[huntin]

I'd rather see long range shooters than bush pushers.

[32-40win]

It can be just as interesting reading their website. Some scary stuff. Probably the same guy that would scope someone on a horse, and doesn't carry binos.
Granted, there are people that are able, and properly trained and equipped to do it, and do make those shots. But, they are far and few between.

[Pincherguy]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

It can be just as interesting reading their website. Some scary stuff. Probably the same guy that would scope someone on a horse, and doesn't carry binos.
Granted, there are people that are able, and properly trained and equipped to do it, and do make those shots. But, they are far and few between.

I have been looked at through a scope, when I confronted the guy he said "can't afford binoculars, guns not loaded". I have watched those hunting shows where they shoot game at 7- 8 hundred yards. they are all a bunch of *****s. Thats not hunting, thats just crap. If you can't get at least 200 yards from you game, you should not be out there to start with,
nuff said:

[gopher]

It’s actually more difficult to get an honest 800 yard shot then it is 200. It’s difficult to see on your belly.

[Pincherguy]

Originally Posted by gopher

It’s actually more difficult to get an honest 800 yard shot then it is 200. It’s difficult to see on your belly.

I use shooting sticks. At the range where I know the distance, not hard to hit the target at 300. In the field I know I'm good at 200 with the stix. Anyting past that, too many variables. Wind, thermal, things you can't see in the scope. Haven't lost one yet, jsut sayin.
nuffsaid:

[Pincherguy]

Sorry guys, just thought of another story. When I first started hunting, the guy that showed me the ropes took me to the range. Many, many years ago.
We were sighting in our rifles at 100 yards. Up on the hill, 400 plus there were a couple of targets that guys were shooting at. I asked him, what the hell are those guys shooting at, do they think they can hit them that far. He said "they are not hunters son, they are just snipers"

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Pincherguy

I use shooting sticks. At the range where I know the distance, not hard to hit the target at 300. In the field I know I'm good at 200 with the stix. Anyting past that, too many variables. Wind, thermal, things you can't see in the scope. Haven't lost one yet, jsut sayin.
nuffsaid:

You actually can see all those things with scopes and irons if you know what you are looking at.

I have no problem with people that are capable of shooting at distance to take and animal.
I DO have issues with people that cannot and shoot anyway, be it at an animal at 700 or 70, if you are not capable of the shot do not take it - this includes stuff like too much wind, animals running through bush , downward angle shots have not been practised, etc
WE rely way too much on equipment these days and not enough on practising with that equipment.

While we are at it however, one should remember that just because we do not do something does not mean there are people out there that can , and we should no be putting our capabilities and ethics out there as some rule that all should follow.
I know many people that think 200 yards is too far and NO ONE should be shooting at that distance at an animal.

It's seen all the time by traditional archers versus compound shooters, lever guys and long distance rifle shooters, irons shooters against scope shooters, and I have seen the arguments for and against on both both sides, non of which hold water. hell we even have people saying you are unethical if you shoot a certain kind of bullet now.

Lumping all this into the same pile as someone pointing a rifle at you is nonsense however, because they are two different issues .
One should take a pill and go for a walk in this case.
Cat

[kayaker]

Originally Posted by Pincherguy

I have been looked at through a scope, when I confronted the guy he said "can't afford binoculars, guns not loaded". I have watched those hunting shows where they shoot game at 7- 8 hundred yards. they are all a bunch of *****s. Thats not hunting, thats just crap. If you can't get at least 200 yards from you game, you should not be out there to start with,
nuff said:

I agree in part with much of what is said here. LOTS of guys THINK they are 500 yard plus shooters, they aren't and the game suffers for them to learn that.

I agree with the sentiment about 'hunting'. Any fool can get 800yards from biggame. Lets be honest, if you have time to set up shooting mats, tripods, read wind, make calculations and lengthy discussions about the shot only after seeing the animal it must either be sedated or so far away that you have hunted it in the same way the seeing deer in a field as drive by on the highway is hunting. Its long range shooting at live targets. You can have a BBQ 800 yards away from an animal, you haven't 'hunted' it.


Don't get me wrong, I believe there are folks who can do this kind of shooting and I am genuinely mightily impressed with long range shots on targets. Its takes skill and judgement. The sh*t part is that lots of nimrods are taking low probability for a clean kill hail-mary pokes because they bought an tactical looking .300 and a Huskemaw.

[ishootbambi]

Originally Posted by kayaker

. You can have a BBQ 800 yards away from an animal, you haven't 'hunted' it.


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Originally Posted by Pincherguy

. Thats not hunting, thats just crap. If you can't get at least 200 yards from you game, you should not be out there to start with,
nuff said:

it wasnt too long ago that a bowhunter on this forum said something along the lines of "blazing a hole through an animal at 200 yards is bull****. you need to get close to have hunted it". i thought it was as low class of a comment as yours is.

i could give a crap how someone chooses to hunt. so long as its legal, enjoy yourself and quit crying about anyone who does it different.

[hunterbobthebuilder]

Y'all are to high tech I use a good old sling shot

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Pincherguy

. Thats not hunting, thats just crap. If you can't get at least 200 yards from you game, you should not be out there to start with,
nuff said:

There are a lot of members here, and other sites , which you do not consider hunters, I take it.
BTW, you have thrown Warren Page, Roy Weatherby, Elmer Keith, Jack O'Connor, and a whole mess of other very well respected hunters in with the same bunch " that shouldn't be out there"
Cat

[Dan the Saskbertan]

Originally Posted by Pincherguy

I have been looked at through a scope, when I confronted the guy he said "can't afford binoculars, guns not loaded". I have watched those hunting shows where they shoot game at 7- 8 hundred yards. they are all a bunch of *****s. Thats not hunting, thats just crap. If you can't get at least 200 yards from you game, you should not be out there to start with,
nuff said:

Spoken like a true hunter..... who sights his 30-30 on a pie plate at 50 yds. You sound a bit jealous of hunters with the gear & education.

I shoot both a .338 Lapua and a .300 RUM, do load development and play with them all year. I also have range cards with correct MOA adjustments developed for both for different temperature conditions out to 800yds.

Where I live the shots can be very long and successfully harvested deer in excess of 500 yds, one harvest 2 yrs ago was 580 yds. A 200-300 yd shot is average and you will not get 100 yd shots here. I am responsible so I hunt to the prevailing conditions to make ethical shots.

Long range hunting is a way of adapting to terrain more than anything else.

Dan