Brian Knight legal defence fund

[dances with gophers]

these scum are outlaws ie
A fugitive from the law.
A habitual criminal.
A rebel; a nonconformist: a social outlaw.
A person excluded from normal legal protection and rights.

if you operate outside the law , then you shouldnt expect protection by the law . so fair game. Time and time again the law fails ordinary working people.
but gives more rights to the criminal .
remember when seconds count the cops are only (rural ) a couple of days away to file the report
im sure were going to see more of this.

[Dakota369]

Originally Posted by dances with gophers

these scum are outlaws ie
A fugitive from the law.
A habitual criminal.
A rebel; a nonconformist: a social outlaw.
A person excluded from normal legal protection and rights.

if you operate outside the law , then you shouldnt expect protection by the law . so fair game. Time and time again the law fails ordinary working people.
but gives more rights to the criminal .
remember when seconds count the cops are only (rural ) a couple of days away to file the report
im sure were going to see more of this.

Well said...........

[stormy]

you guys are foolish to support this guys actions hope they never let him own a gun again he is a fool like all his supporters

[hal53]

Originally Posted by stormy

you guys are foolish to support this guys actions hope they never let him own a gun again he is a fool like all his supporters

3 Questions...
1) you own a quad?????
2) you live in the country???
3) if the above two are yes.....where?????

[redneck posse]

not sure if this is right or not .. but i heard on the news last night, that the three guys are well known to police in the area. and that they have yet to be charged.. what kind of bullsh*t is that??? good message to send to the criminals. steal a quad get caught and no charges will be laid.. wonder which one is the big shots kid..

[deerassassin]

Originally Posted by stormy

you guys are foolish to support this guys actions hope they never let him own a gun again he is a fool like all his supporters

he did the right thing

Originally Posted by deerassassin

he did the right thing

This isnt the wild west you dont have the right to shoot someone what a _______ to hide behind his gun .What is more frightening is the way some of you talk and you own gun's also.

[CaberTosser]

I see this case as an extremely important one in terms of its potential to set a great precedent. I understand the trail is to take place in Stettler on April 9th, though I have yet to verify that. I encourage any board members who are a reasonable drive from there to attend. A massive turnout in support of Mr Knight is what I expect already, but I believe every extra citizen that attends is a good thing. It is my hope that the presiding judge realizes the enormity of his task, and rules in upholding the rights of a good citizen who was forced into an unfortunate chain of events by a small squad of degenerates. Mr Knights actions were certainly not deliberated, they were all defensive reactions. While many of us armchair quarterbacks can endlessly speculate and postulate theories about what he should have done from the comfort of our homes or offices, none of us were there.

I'm a big believer in Castle Doctrine, and was very impressed by the article by Lorne Gunter that Chain2 posted. That really summed up a great deal of my feeling about law enforcement: Law enforcement is our duty as citizens first; the police are just a supplement to us, empowered by us. Not the other way around. For order to prevail there has to be enforcement of laws. If the system is failing us it is our duty to correct it. The police and/or the judicial system are failing us by either:

1: Not apprehending the criminal
2: Not presenting sufficient detterent to criminal behaviour
3: Not punishing the guilty
4: Punishing the innocent or the victims

These failures are serious, and have created a snowball effect of recidivist criminals. As far as I am concerned, when the judiciary and police fail us so completely, it is important that we correct them and restart them on the correct path of serving us, Canada's citizens. If it takes what appears as vigilante actions or civil disobedience then so be it. Sometimes a galvanizing event such as this happens (and we're lucky that it has), and it can have great social benefits for us all; or conversely it can be yet another travesty which will only get us the citizenry more upset and perhaps more mobilized to institute the changes that need to happen. We are the power behind everything the Government, the Police and the Courts do, lets be sure if they're making mistakes we correct them.

[Dakota369]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

I see this case as an extremely important one in terms of its potential to set a great precedent. I understand the trail is to take place in Stettler on April 9th, though I have yet to verify that. I encourage any board members who are a reasonable drive from there to attend. A massive turnout in support of Mr Knight is what I expect already, but I believe every extra citizen that attends is a good thing. It is my hope that the presiding judge realizes the enormity of his task, and rules in upholding the rights of a good citizen who was forced into an unfortunate chain of events by a small squad of degenerates. Mr Knights actions were certainly not deliberated, they were all defensive reactions. While many of us armchair quarterbacks can endlessly speculate and postulate theories about what he should have done from the comfort of our homes or offices, none of us were there.

I'm a big believer in Castle Doctrine, and was very impressed by the article by Lorne Gunter that Chain2 posted. That really summed up a great deal of my feeling about law enforcement: Law enforcement is our duty as citizens first; the police are just a supplement to us, empowered by us. Not the other way around. For order to prevail there has to be enforcement of laws. If the system is failing us it is our duty to correct it. The police and/or the judicial system are failing us by either:

1: Not apprehending the criminal
2: Not presenting sufficient detterent to criminal behaviour
3: Not punishing the guilty
4: Punishing the innocent or the victims

These failures are serious, and have created a snowball effect of recidivist criminals. As far as I am concerned, when the judiciary and police fail us so completely, it is important that we correct them and restart them on the correct path of serving us, Canada's citizens. If it takes what appears as vigilante actions or civil disobedience then so be it. Sometimes a galvanizing event such as this happens (and we're lucky that it has), and it can have great social benefits for us all; or conversely it can be yet another travesty which will only get us the citizenry more upset and perhaps more mobilized to institute the changes that need to happen. We are the power behind everything the Government, the Police and the Courts do, lets be sure if they're making mistakes we correct them.

Extremly well put....one of the most eloquent posts on this thread yet.

Agree wholeheartedly

[BrownBear416]

Originally Posted by river_runner

This isnt the wild west you dont have the right to shoot someone what a _______ to hide behind his gun .What is more frightening is the way some of you talk and you own gun's also.

I hope for your sake one day your not laying in the dirt in the middle of the night with a knife stuck in your ribs thinking....hmmm I can't believe these innocent thieves were armed

[Jester]

Originally Posted by deerassassin

he did the right thing

Lets wait and see what the courts decide ok?

If Mr. Knight gets off scot free then yes I will say that he did the right thing.

However if he gets jail time or even just probation and is banned from owning firearms then I will say he did the wrong thing.

Once the thieves know he is not allowed to own firearms they will rip him off again and if by chance he does have another gun then he will be looking at jail time for sure.

So ask yourself if a quad is worth jail time and a criminal record?

My answer is no.

[rugatika]

Is a quad worth jail time...No...but...what if it his action brings about changes that bring things back on course? Then it is worth it. Kudos to Mr Knight for having the fortitude for doing the right thing and I sincerely hope everything works out and changes someday come about that will recognize a person's right to defend his property.

[grandslamer]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Is a quad worth jail time...No...but...what if it his action brings about changes that bring things back on course? Then it is worth it. Kudos to Mr Knight for having the fortitude for doing the right thing and I sincerely hope everything works out and changes someday come about that will recognize a person's right to defend his property.

your right shootings have always brings about more changes..
its called gun control and this case is sure to be use against law abiding gun owners when it comes time to vote on dismantling the gun registriy ..
and all these well meaning but foolish remarks such as SHOOT SHOVLE AND SHUT UP and other silly mob mentality comments are sure to used to show how evil we gun owner are. remember this is a public form. the anti gun groups monito these site for evidence againt us ..

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by Jester

Lets wait and see what the courts decide ok?

If Mr. Knight gets off scot free then yes I will say that he did the right thing.

However if he gets jail time or even just probation and is banned from owning firearms then I will say he did the wrong thing.

Once the thieves know he is not allowed to own firearms they will rip him off again and if by chance he does have another gun then he will be looking at jail time for sure.

So ask yourself if a quad is worth jail time and a criminal record?

My answer is no.

If Mr Knight gets off Scot free I too will say he did the right thing. Where Jester and I vary in opinion is that I feel if Mr Knight does not get off Scot free or something equating to a judicial rap on the knuckles, then I feel our courts will have failed us. He'll have still done the right thing, he'll just have to deal with some repercussions as a result.

Is a quad worth jail time and a criminal record? No

Is a principle worth sticking up for. Absolutely. Without people sticking up for principles, we're all screwed. Defending yourself, your family and your property against unprovoked theft and intrusion is paramount to every natural instinct we have. Its not something we need a written law to tell us. Its known by every human culture on earth, even among many communal animals. Wolves know this. Buffalo know this. Ants know this. Hold your ground or you might as well hand it over.

Jester is awaiting the courts decision to dictate his opinion for him. I've laid mine out already.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Jester is awaiting the courts decision to dictate his opinion for him. I've laid mine out already.

Oh Puh-lease.....I think I've stated my opinion quite clearly.

Do you really think he will get off Scot free???

Do you not understand sarcasm??

you said....

Is a quad worth jail time and a criminal record? No

So you are saying that you would not have shot the bad guy but it's ok for someone else to take one for the team??

[Dakota369]

Originally Posted by Jester

Lets wait and see what the courts decide ok?

If Mr. Knight gets off scot free then yes I will say that he did the right thing.

However if he gets jail time or even just probation and is banned from owning firearms then I will say he did the wrong thing.

Once the thieves know he is not allowed to own firearms they will rip him off again and if by chance he does have another gun then he will be looking at jail time for sure.

So ask yourself if a quad is worth jail time and a criminal record?

My answer is no.

So you are unable/refuse to have your own opinion and therefore will blindly follow the decision of the courts?

Have you never picked up the paper and thought what a travesty of justice that someone who commited such a voilent crime on a defensless person got such a light sentence?