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08-26-2012, 11:49 AM
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CIL "Canuck" Shotshells
I have acquired a full box of CIL "Canuck" 12 gauge shotgun shells. They have a Duco Waterproof Finish and indicate Super-Clean. Does anyone know the approximate age? Patent date indicates 1927 and 1930 but I don't know if this is close to the manufacture date.
I am assuming this is a collectible item? If so, does anyone have an idea as to approximate value? I know that some people collect empty boxes but am not sure what contribution a full set of shells adds to the picture! Thanks
http://s771.photobucket.com/albums/x...lsmith/Canuck/
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08-26-2012, 02:35 PM
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I have a few boxes like it
I have sold some for $100/ box
Thats a good ballpark
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08-26-2012, 03:13 PM
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Thanks for the info, Huntinstuff!
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08-26-2012, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by huntinstuff
I have a few boxes like it
I have sold some for $100/ box
Thats a good ballpark
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Holly crap... 100 bucks, Ive got 5 or 6 boxes in my reloading room, guess i won't be shooting them when i run low.
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08-26-2012, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter1234
Holly crap... 100 bucks, Ive got 5 or 6 boxes in my reloading room, guess i won't be shooting them when i run low.
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Good grief no.
Collectors will buy it. Collectors. That excludes 99.95% of AO and CGN members.
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08-26-2012, 05:30 PM
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Collectors...or those addicted to the sweet aroma of fired paper shotshells.
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08-26-2012, 05:46 PM
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Ooops.
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08-26-2012, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by huntinstuff
Good grief no.
Collectors will buy it. Collectors. That excludes 99.95% of AO and CGN members.
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Check this out
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PATENT-1927-...item231c301ca1
I do believe they were produced by the Dominion Cartridge Company, later known as CIL Canadian Industries Limited.
They produced several lines of ammunition. The Imperial line and the economy Canuck line were two.
The Canuck line was introduced in 1915 and discontinued sometime around the early 1960s
Not much Canuck ammo left laying around. Even an empty box can fetch up to $10.00
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08-26-2012, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KegRiver
Check this out
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PATENT-1927-...item231c301ca1
I do believe they were produced by the Dominion Cartridge Company, later known as CIL Canadian Industries Limited.
They produced several lines of ammunition. The Imperial line and the economy Canuck line were two.
The Canuck line was introduced in 1915 and discontinued sometime around the early 1960s
Not much Canuck ammo left laying around. Even an empty box can fetch up to $10.00
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they also produced in the '60's a line called "Maxum"...green shells, deadly....um....or so Cat and WW Birds and my Grandfather told me
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08-26-2012, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hal53
they also produced in the '60's a line called "Maxum"...green shells, deadly....um....or so Cat and WW Birds and my Grandfather told me
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Although I have never heard that name, I wouldn't doubt it.
I know they marketed ammo under a number of different names, including;
Dominion Cartridge Company.
Dominion
Imperial
Canuck
IVI
and others.
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08-26-2012, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by KegRiver
Although I have never heard that name, I wouldn't doubt it.
I know they marketed ammo under a number of different names, including;
Dominion Cartridge Company.
Dominion
Imperial
Canuck
IVI
and others.
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from what I have "heard". C-I-L had the Imperial brand, high base brass for geese, late season ducks etc., and the Canuck, low base brass, for field shooting and upland loads, their Maxum was brought out in the mid-late sixties as a fit between the two, Cat could fill us in better about the parent co. names, but these are specific brands within the same company line, be it Dominion, etc., I beleive Cat has some history in his family with the Dominion Cartridge Co. kind of like their .22's were Super Clean, (expensive) and Whiz- Bang, (cheaper)
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08-26-2012, 09:10 PM
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the Imperials were marketed as "special long range" the Maxums were marketed as "long range" the canucks came in two varieties "standard load" and "heavy load" The Maxums came in a green box but the shells themselves were red. Wow that was a long time ago, my dad and I used to use the Imperials for geese the Maxums for ducks and the Canucks for upland. I loved the smell of those paper shells.
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08-26-2012, 09:14 PM
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My box of shells indicates:
MADE IN CANADA BY
CANADIAN INDUSTRIES LIMITED
DOMINION AMMUNITION DIVISION
MONTREAL, CANADA
I will even let them go for less than the $250 the guy on Ebay is asking
I actually have a few other boxes of vintage CIL shells if there are any collector types looking for a good deal!
Thanks for the info guys.
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08-26-2012, 09:57 PM
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I have a mess of old C.I.L ammo in various states of disreoair to the boxes.
The box is even more important thann the ammo.
I fired off about 30 mixed 20 gauges this summer, both Canuck and Imperials and I have some Maxums as well.
I was given some ammo the other day that hurt just looking at it - 2 3/4", Number 4 heavies, 1 7/8 OZ OF LEAD!!
The ducos were pretty good ammo, but all paper shells deteriorate over time, and I can only get one loading out of most of the paper 3" 20's I have , they develop pin holes at the top if the brass.
These were 3" , 1 1/4oz loads , MAX drams equiv.!!
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08-26-2012, 09:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hal53
from what I have "heard". C-I-L had the Imperial brand, high base brass for geese, late season ducks etc., and the Canuck, low base brass, for field shooting and upland loads, their Maxum was brought out in the mid-late sixties as a fit between the two, Cat could fill us in better about the parent co. names, but these are specific brands within the same company line, be it Dominion, etc., I beleive Cat has some history in his family with the Dominion Cartridge Co. kind of like their .22's were Super Clean, (expensive) and Whiz- Bang, (cheaper)
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I know a bit about the Dominion Cartridge company.
I know it was started in 1886 by Lieutenant A.L. Howard (Gat) formerly of the Connecticut National Guard, who operated one of the Gatling guns at the Riel Rebellion. battle of Batoche.
I know that there were two companies under his control at the turn of the century.
Dominion Cartridge Company, an ammunition manufacture that used the headstamp, D.C.Co and then later, simply Dominion. Later they changed that to Imperial.
Headstamps they used were,
D. C. Co for the Dominion Cartridge company 1886 to 1947
Dominion 1948 to 1966
CIL 1955 to 1966
DAC for military ammo. It stood for Dominion Arsenal
DC An alternate to D. C. Co 1886 to 1955
Eaton's for obvious reasons 1946 to 1955
Gevelot produced for the French company, Fabrique Gevelot
Imperial 1965 to 1988
Canuck 1955 to 1965
IVI formerly DAC 1967 to 1980
And the produced military ammunition for the Ross rifle company with a headstamp; R. R. Co from 1914 to 1919
The other company was CIL, Canadian Industries Limited. They produced explosives.
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08-26-2012, 10:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hal53
from what I have "heard". C-I-L had the Imperial brand, high base brass for geese, late season ducks etc., and the Canuck, low base brass, for field shooting and upland loads, their Maxum was brought out in the mid-late sixties as a fit between the two, Cat could fill us in better about the parent co. names, but these are specific brands within the same company line, be it Dominion, etc., I beleive Cat has some history in his family with the Dominion Cartridge Co. kind of like their .22's were Super Clean, (expensive) and Whiz- Bang, (cheaper)
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Yup, Maxum, Duco, Imperial, Canuck were all brands of ammo made by C.I.L. at their plant in Brownsburg, PQ.
Canada Safety Fuse, Dominion cartridge company, and a few others that =escape me at the moment , were all connected.
C.I.L. made some top shelf ammo in their day!
Cat
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08-27-2012, 08:59 AM
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I fired off a handful of canuck 16 ga paper shells this summer just to see if they would still go bang,the did with authority!
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08-27-2012, 02:23 PM
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Very nice!
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08-27-2012, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by smithy
My box of shells indicates:
MADE IN CANADA BY
CANADIAN INDUSTRIES LIMITED
DOMINION AMMUNITION DIVISION
MONTREAL, CANADA
I will even let them go for less than the $250 the guy on Ebay is asking
I actually have a few other boxes of vintage CIL shells if there are any collector types looking for a good deal!
Thanks for the info guys.
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That guy was asking $250 for the box. An empty box with no shells in it.
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08-27-2012, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rugatika
That guy was asking $250 for the box. An empty box with no shells in it.
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08-27-2012, 11:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hal53
they also produced in the '60's a line called "Maxum"...green shells, deadly....um....or so Cat and WW Birds and my Grandfather told me
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Cat and ww birds and your granddaddy we mistaken. The Maxum shells were red. The box was green and yellow. Canuck brand was still going strong into the 70s. Bow was red and yellow. Imperial had purpl e hulls and purple and yellow box.
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08-28-2012, 12:34 AM
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You guys got me digging through my miscellaneous shell box. Sure enough found some purple Imperial shells...#2 and #4 magnums. And some #5's although they are only labelled 5 and 12g on the brass.
Seems to me my great uncle gave them to my dad when his waterfowling days were finished.
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08-28-2012, 01:51 AM
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In the late 60's and early 70's CIL also manufactured a line of shotgun shells called Redline 12 which was similar to a Canuck shell , in that it had 11/8 oz. of lead and 3.25 drams of powder, they were of course plastic hulls by then and we only saw them in 12 ga. at the Mohawk station on 16th Ave and Edmonton Trail , never saw them at any other store. During the last year that I saw them, around 71 or 72, they added a new load of 1.25 oz. of lead and 3.5 drams of powder, just one step lower than an Imperial with 3.75 drams of powder. On the box in smal print it stated Canadian Industries Ltd., and then they disappeared.
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08-28-2012, 02:11 AM
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I always bought Imperial or Canuck for shotshells until their demise, shot lots of their centrefire and rimfire rounds. Still have some of the shotshells and rimfire rounds, may still have some brass. I don't think I ever bought any other brand till after they went down. A fella iI used to work with, that worked in Brownsburg plant, said they used to do a lot of ammo for Remington there also.
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08-28-2012, 06:41 AM
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Cat and ww birds and your granddaddy we mistaken. The Maxum shells were red. The box was green and yellow. Canuck brand was still going strong into the 70s. Bow was red and yellow. Imperial had purpl e hulls and purple and yellow box.
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Uh, I never ever remember saying that Maxums were green - they were always red . I have a box downstairs!
I think Hal was trying to make a point that I am the younger of us, which is not actually true!
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I always bought Imperial or Canuck for shotshells until their demise, shot lots of their centrefire and rimfire rounds. Still have some of the shotshells and rimfire rounds, may still have some brass. I don't think I ever bought any other brand till after they went down. A fella iI used to work with, that worked in Brownsburg plant, said they used to do a lot of ammo for Remington there also.
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I can't remember shooting anything else but C.I.L. ammo when I was growing up- but then the old man was Shooting Sports Development Manager for them!
They also distributed the Eley ammo in Canada.
Cat
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Canuck shells
I'm Rich
I have 8 full boxes of Canuck 10 gauge shells,all in perfect condition. LOL
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I'm Rich
I have 8 full boxes of Canuck 10 gauge shells,all in perfect condition. LOL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redline 12
In the late 60's and early 70's CIL also manufactured a line of shotgun shells called Redline 12 which was similar to a Canuck shell , in that it had 11/8 oz. of lead and 3.25 drams of powder, they were of course plastic hulls by then and we only saw them in 12 ga. at the Mohawk station on 16th Ave and Edmonton Trail , never saw them at any other store. During the last year that I saw them, around 71 or 72, they added a new load of 1.25 oz. of lead and 3.5 drams of powder, just one step lower than an Imperial with 3.75 drams of powder. On the box in smal print it stated Canadian Industries Ltd., and then they disappeared.
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I have a few dozen boxes of Redline
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