Alberta Bowhunters Association- are you a member?

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

I will not support a group that takes hunting opportunity away from others.

If Crossbows were allowed during archery only season then that very thing would happen. Who would be to blame then?

The “archery” piece of pie would need to grow at the expense of the “general season” Hunter. Are the general only hunters willing to give over some of their pie?

LC

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

If Crossbows were allowed during archery only season then that very thing would happen. Who would be to blame then?

The “archery” piece of pie would need to grow at the expense of the “general season” Hunter. Are the general only hunters willing to give over some of their pie?

LC

The zone I mostly hunt is September to the end of October for archery, then November for General season. Considering only 18% of hunters are archers I would say there is no need to take from the general season. But, I wasn't really complaining about crossbows not being allowed in the archery season. We all know Mister Brent started the ban on spears and atlatl's.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

The zone I mostly hunt is September to the end of October for archery, then November for General season. Considering only 18% of hunters are archers I would say there is no need to take from the general season. But, I wasn't really complaining about crossbows not being allowed in the archery season. We all know Mister Brent started the ban on spears and atlatl's.

Add crossbows to archery and 18% will grow substantially, then those folks will
Need more pie to get everyone fed.

Once a proposal is submitted...it lasts one round of resolutions and then is dead... the ABA never submitted another proposal after the original they were ASKED to draft by AGMAG. Look elsewhere for spear blame. Even the Atlatl group feels there should be a minimum requirement, but I don’t believe they submitted information supporting one.

LC

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

If Crossbows were allowed during archery only season then that very thing would happen. Who would be to blame then?

The “archery” piece of pie would need to grow at the expense of the “general season” Hunter. Are the general only hunters willing to give over some of their pie?

LC

Now it's a "pie" .. that you guys are unwilling to share. .. and a rather choice pie it is. ! We get the crumbs. If that is anything other than pure, selfish BS I don't know what is.

[KyleSS]

Originally Posted by Salavee

Now it's a "pie" .. that you guys are unwilling to share. .. and a rather choice pie it is. ! We get the crumbs. If that is anything other than pure, selfish BS I don't know what is.

I think that is an unfair statement. If I understand your comments thus far correctly, you want the regulations changed so you can use a crossbow in the archery season because you can't shoot a compound/traditional bow at the weight that YOU want to.

I'm sure my 76 year old grandfather would love to still shoot 70 lbs but like you he can not due to age and loss in muscle. So he has accepted that and now shoots 43 lbs and does quite will doing so.

It's all about playing in side the rules and not changing the rules for a few so they can do what they want.

That is how I see it.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by KyleSS

I think that is an unfair statement. If I understand your comments thus far correctly, you want the regulations changed so you can use a crossbow in the archery season because you can't shoot a compound/traditional bow at the weight that YOU want to.

I'm sure my 76 year old grandfather would love to still shoot 70 lbs but like you he can not due to age and loss in muscle. So he has accepted that and now shoots 43 lbs and does quite will doing so.

It's all about playing in side the rules and not changing the rules for a few so they can do what they want.

That is how I see it.

Agree, this weekend we watched a grandmother of 71 years old who started bow hunting at 68 get two awards...it was outstanding. Her arrow at 41 pounds draw weight passed through a moose at 32 yards.

LC

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Agree, this weekend we watched a grandmother of 71 years old who started bow hunting at 68 get two awards...it was outstanding. Her arrow at 41 pounds draw weight passed through a moose at 32 yards.

LC

Totally awesome, and I commend her for her achievement .. but you miss the point .It's all about choices, not options and restrictions implemented by others .. namely ABA and their selfish ,protective mind set.
Lefty, you have yet to produce a viable, reasonable alternative regarding the inclusion of X-Bows in your coveted early seasons and Bowzone. You keep repeating all of the "wonderful" options available. What are you afraid of?

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Salavee

Totally awesome, and I commend her for her achievement .. but you miss the point .It's all about choices, not options and restrictions implemented by others .. namely ABA and their selfish ,protective mind set.
Lefty, you have yet to produce a viable, reasonable alternative regarding the inclusion of X-Bows in your coveted early seasons and Bowzone. You keep repeating all of the "wonderful" options available. What are you afraid of?

Why don’t you seize the opportunities available to you instead of forcing your agenda on everyone else? You cry about no opportunity...I listed many way to get you in the field. I don’t make the current rules or policy I just follow the current framework.

LC

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Why don’t you seize the opportunities available to you instead of forcing your agenda on everyone else? You cry about no opportunity...I listed many way to get you in the field. I don’t make the current rules or policy I just follow the current framework.

LC

The opportunities granted to me by the ABA lobby just aren't satisfactory. Some of us want exactly what you have, using our choice of equipment. Pretty simple.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Salavee

Now it's a "pie" .. that you guys are unwilling to share. .. and a rather choice pie it is. ! We get the crumbs. If that is anything other than pure, selfish BS I don't know what is.

Lol...it’s always been a pie. We have 15% to share...amongst 18% of hungry folks.. Doesn’t it make sense to have the group with 85% share their pie?

See if the 85% are willing to give up some of their pie...Clearly you don’t like pie.

Here is a question, if you could draw 40lbs (or 35lbs) would you? Or is it all or nothing for you?

LC

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Lol...it’s always been a pie. We have 15% to share...amongst 18% of hungry folks.. Doesn’t it make sense to have the group with 85% share their pie?

See if the 85% are willing to give up some of their pie...Clearly you don’t like pie.

Here is a question, if you could draw 40lbs (or 35lbs) would you? Or is it all or nothing for you?

LC

So the 18% of archers should only be entitled to 18% of the hunting seasons then, Right?

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

So the 18% of archers should only be entitled to 18% of the hunting seasons then, Right?

Grab a bow and you too can hunt archery only season with it.

The 15% is a harvest threshold before a draw season comes into play...add more harvest, and then you create more draw seasons...that removes opportunity for archery only.

So with 18% of the hunting population using a bow, shouldn’t the threshold increase?

LC

[JBE]

I have no dog in this fight but am curious to know how many would bow hunt if only traditional bows were allowed

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by JBE

I have no dog in this fight but am curious to know how many would bow hunt if only traditional bows were allowed

I hunt traditional, A compound bow is closer to a cross bow then it is to a traditional bow.

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by JBE

I have no dog in this fight but am curious to know how many would bow hunt if only traditional bows were allowed

My guess is it would reduce "archery" hunting by at least 80 %.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Grab a bow and you too can hunt archery only season with it.

The 15% is a harvest threshold before a draw season comes into play...add more harvest, and then you create more draw seasons...that removes opportunity for archery only.

So with 18% of the hunting population using a bow, shouldn’t the threshold increase?

LC

Seems you want the cake and to eat it all too.

I already do hunt with a bow.

Archery seasons are already longer then most general seasons, and archers have more opportunity for animals that are not on draw.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

Seems you want the cake and to eat it all too.

I already do hunt with a bow.

Archery seasons are already longer then most general seasons, and archers have more opportunity for animals that are not on draw.

Lol...think about it.

You clearly want the entire province to go on draw? Because that’s what’s going on anyway...look at mule deer and moose in many zones.

Add crossbows to archery and the first 2 years would be great for crossbow hunters...then everything that had archery only would likely become draw. So use your bow and be happy you still can.

The AFGA is largely anti-archery...but I won’t get into that.

LC

[Z7shooter]

Lefty, I agree with you 100% in regards to the crossbow topic. Ill back you any day on that.

As far as the spear conversation, I think its safe to say that the ABA is cleared from the blame. With the research ive done so far, I agree with the ABA not fighting tooth and nail for the use of spears, because its not their fight. The ABA is about bowhunting and I believe we as bowhunters have enough battles.

I personally would like to see more archery only zones opened up. With the increased popularity of the sport and I believe that it would be an effective conservation strategy to allow game populations to grow/stabilize in some areas.


Can someone tell me where the $500 for the ABA lifetime membership goes?

[NayNay]

Yes I'm a member. Thinking about buying a lifetime membership here soon.

Dropping the weight to #35 is a great idea. Just have to be a little smarter about your arrow and broad head selection is all.

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by NayNay

Yes I'm a member. Thinking about buying a lifetime membership here soon.

Dropping the weight to #35 is a great idea. Just have to be a little smarter about your arrow and broad head selection is all.

But that would eliminate those 60 -80 yd shots.. more restrictions !

[NayNay]

Originally Posted by Salavee

But that would eliminate those 60 -80 yd shots.. more restrictions !

You are moving into the relm ethics and personal restrictions.

[gpelker]

Originally Posted by Salavee

But that would eliminate those 60 -80 yd shots.. more restrictions !

glasss half full, you like yours half empty
not more restrictions, more opportunities to hunt not to kill!!

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Z7shooter

Lefty, I agree with you 100% in regards to the crossbow topic. Ill back you any day on that.

As far as the spear conversation, I think its safe to say that the ABA is cleared from the blame. With the research ive done so far, I agree with the ABA not fighting tooth and nail for the use of spears, because its not their fight. The ABA is about bowhunting and I believe we as bowhunters have enough battles.

I personally would like to see more archery only zones opened up. With the increased popularity of the sport and I believe that it would be an effective conservation strategy to allow game populations to grow/stabilize in some areas.


Can someone tell me where the $500 for the ABA lifetime membership goes?

The newsletter costs a crazy amount...the game awards also cost a fair bit. Once you get to the buckle $300 and the Grande master portrait $1000, you get a lot of value from your $500 lifetime fee...that also includes a plaque.

LC

[Z7shooter]

Thanks Lefty. Can you explain to me how the buckle and grand master awards work? Not that I am into hunting for the awards, but im curious to how they work.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Z7shooter

Thanks Lefty. Can you explain to me how the buckle and grand master awards work? Not that I am into hunting for the awards, but im curious to how they work.

Check out the website under awards, if you have questions after hit me up.

LC

[wildwoods]

The whole cross bow in bow season arguments are so tired.
The disabled and elderly should get their chance with them in bow season. That's common sense.
I rifle hunt and bow hunt. There's absolutely no way I would want to see xbows in bow season. Last year I had 2 bucks bust me on the draw. My own dumb fault yes. However with a crossbow I would have easily filled my Strathcona tags beyond the shadow of a doubt. Eliminating the noise and motion of the draw and holding (yes with substantial let off) the drawn bow for an extended period is a hefty challenge. The vertical component of a compound bow is an asset. However, a pre-loaded crossbow laying on the hay bale I was behind with perfect rest would have been optimum.
Another aspect is increased harvest in bow season. Now we go to draws for a lot of zones due to higher harvest rates. Pretty simple math. I don't believe thats elitist or entitlement at all. The bow season is magical. Let the folks who physically cannot draw a compound participate with a crossbow and you have perfect balance. For the rifle only guys you can do what I and thousands like me have done- take advantage of an amazing time of year and buy a compound bow. Equal opportunity- everyone wins.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Salavee

Now it's a "pie" .. that you guys are unwilling to share. .. and a rather choice pie it is. ! We get the crumbs. If that is anything other than pure, selfish BS I don't know what is.

Imagine what the traditional archers said when the first compound entered the archery seen, now the compound archers are saying the same thing....archery....harmony....all bows.

I hunted with a Hawkins then ran into a fella with a inline/scoped...was a little baffled at first but said hey its a muzzleloader and we all shared the pie. Not the case with the ABA.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Imagine what the traditional archers said when the first compound entered the archery seen, now the compound archers are saying the same thing....archery....harmony....all bows.

I hunted with a Hawkins then ran into a fella with a inline/scoped...was a little baffled at first but said hey its a muzzleloader and we all shared the pie. Not the case with the ABA.

LMAO...yah ok.

Spin it however you want crossbows do not meet the current definition of “archery” in Alberta. P&Y doesn’t recognize it...Archery Canada doesn’t recognize it... because it isn’t.

Funny how the part I mentioned about the ABA speaking up in support of cougar hunting was missed in all of this...the only organization who stands up for cougar and predator hunting I guess.

Sound ridiculous? Well it is but it’s exactly how you are stating what you are saying.

LC

[CNP]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

LMAO...yah ok.

Spin it however you want crossbows do not meet the current definition of “archery” in Alberta. P&Y doesn’t recognize it...Archery Canada doesn’t recognize it... because it isn’t.

Funny how the part I mentioned about the ABA speaking up in support of cougar hunting was missed in all of this...the only organization who stands up for cougar and predator hunting I guess.

Sound ridiculous? Well it is but it’s exactly how you are stating what you are saying.

LC

Definitions can be changed with a stroke of the pen...

The holder of the definition (govt of AB) may be influenced to make the necessary changes in the Wildlife Act to include a crossbow, of certain parameters, be included in the definition of authorized archery equipment. That's all it takes. The ABA is the leading force standing in the way of that change, it would be prudent to challenge the ABA with greater force.

This was/is the ABA's position and is listed as one of their achievements:

Successful lobby to keep crossbows out of the general archery season (2011).

Like I said in an earlier post, I encourage those in favour of using a crossbow in the archery season to lobby the AFGA and/or the govt of AB in favour of crossbows.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Yup, there was a time when crossbows were considered restricted and you had to have an Endorsement on your FAC to have one.

I encourage those who like things with the archery only season maintained with current definitions to join SABA, ATBA or the ABA.

LC