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Old 03-21-2018, 01:46 AM
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Default An actual copy of proposed legislation C71

Figured I may as well post this, maybe a mod wants to sticky it for a bit, that way people can at least look at it;

http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en.../first-reading
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And firearm lawyer Ian Runkle's quick interpretation of it;

Firearms Lawyer Ian Runkle's take on C-71
As quoted in another forum:

Thought this was a very interesting read. Copied and pasted from Ian's Facebook post:

"Okay, so I have been away most of the day, which means that my commentary on the new firearms bill is a little late. But, here goes.

Minor stuff:
* It incorporates the language used in the Criminal Code for definitions. This is sensible.

* Some grammatical changes, mostly which recognize that businesses/corporations exist.

More important stuff:

* Section 5(2) of the Firearms Act is amended to remove the "within the previous 5 years" that was previously incorporated. So instead of the CFO having to consider what happened in the previous five years, they now have to consider the issue generally. The effect of this is actually fairly minimal, because the courts had said that the CFO/etc are more than entitled to consider things outside the five year range, and the CFO/etc did consider it.

* Section 12 is amended by creating a new blanket grandfathering clause that can be done by regulation. Now, this suggests that the current government may intend to prohibit more firearms in future. However, it also suggests that they may grandfather in existing owners. This is a big warning sign for gun owners going forward, and one I haven't yet seen discussed. These firearms will also be excluded from the automatic ATT provisions. However, the new category of grandfathered firearms are not necessarily barred from being issued an ATT. This creates an uneven patchwork of laws that is exactly the opposite direction our firearms laws should be going.

* They are adding a specific grandfathering clause for the CZ 858 and the Swiss Arms rifles for owners who had one before June 30th, 2018. It's not yet June 30th... anyone feeling like giving me a present?

* Automatic ATTs for prohibited firearms are being clawed back, meaning most can't be taken to ranges. Those who have 12(6) firearms (short-barreled handguns) and who have registered as collectors will also not be issued an ATT that allows range trips for those firearms.

* Non-restricted firearms can now only be transferred if you call the CFO and get a reference number for the transfer. This is going to be a serious issue for gun shows, most of which happen on weekends, when the CFO is not open. It'll be a headache generally, because the CFOs office does not keep the hours they claim to keep (I frequently find that if I call in at 1:00 PM I may get the message that tells me that they closed at 4:00 PM and to call again the next day). This will also aggravate the issues associated with the CFO practice of placing a licence "under review", which is not permitted by the legislation, and effectively means that a person with a valid licence is nevertheless barred by CFO fiat from exercising transfers. This is a practice that I have been looking for an opportunity to challenge in court, though. Oh, and violating this is grounds for revocation of your firearms licence... though it'd also be grounds for criminal charges. The net effect of that is mostly something that interests folks like me, because it provides negotiation options.

* Businesses must now keep records of transfers for 20 years, which they provide very little details on confidentiality for. The Liberal Party has been spinning this as though the only way for the police or the CFO to get access to those records is via a warrant, and thus this is not a backdoor registry. This is either a lie or a fairly major oversight, because section 102 of the Firearms Act allows for inspection of a businesses records on fairly broad basis, including copying details. So... yeah. These records will be easily available to the CFO. Additionally, a business going under has to transfer the records to the CFO. So... not quite a registry, but definitely has some substantial monitoring.

* Major omission: Refusals to issue a reference number aren't enunciated in section 74 (referring decisions of a firearms officer to a court to have them reviewed). This means that challenges to this are going to be in a legal limbo. Arguably case law (including Runkle v. Alberta) says that this new creature will be reviewable by the section 74 process, but it would have been nice to clear up this particular disaster.

* It also revokes a ton of ATTs. So, there is going to be one hell of a backlog at the CFO's office the instant this gets proclaimed.

* Restores the prohibition on the CZ 858 and the Swiss Arms rifles.

* Allows the government to retain the long gun registry data.

* Removes the ability of the government to designate something as non-restricted by Order In Council.

Okay, so, some comments:

First, it makes sense that the same principles that allow a firearm to be designated as restricted by law or prohibited by law should allow the government to make it non-restricted. The whole "we need to take these decisions out of the hands of politicians" rhetoric is insane, because of course politicians decide the laws. The LPC just wants to ensure a 'ratchet' effect, where firearms can move to being more restricted, but cannot easily move back to being less restricted. This assumes that the government will never make an error, which is silly.

Second, there are indications in this bill of planned prohibitions to come. The people saying "Oh, they're not banning anything" are wrong, because there are clear plans laid to ban things.

Third, this legislation doesn't fix any of the legislative disaster that is our firearms laws, and generally makes things worse by making it an even more uneven patchwork of conflicting rules. I have no idea how laypeople are expected to navigate this.

Fourth, the business records provisions are not as described--because these records are not excluded from the application of s. 105, the promises that a warrant will be needed to get this information are flatly false. I leave it to the reader to decide if this creates a back door registry. If the goal is to create same, this is probably the worst of all possible worlds, as it will be highly unreliable for determining anything."
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some good info on resources to combat c71, some info that can be read, watched or listened to, addresses and e-mails for some gov't offices.

Some extra reading/viewing material:

Join the Conservative Party of Canada: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...arty-of-Canada

Firearms Lawyer Ian Runkle's take on-C-71: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...s-take-on-C-71

Swiss Arms Research project: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...search-project

Brian Lilley: http://brianlilley.com/goodales-gun-...-doesnt-exist/

Rod Giltaca: http://gundebate.ca

CBC - Solomon Friedman confronts Wendy Cukier on bill C-71 (at the 1:25:45 mark): http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1190740547573/

Tony Bernardo goes up against Wendy Cukier: https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1352180

Ralph Goodale speaking out of his @ss: https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1352177

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Gov't e-mails and addresses for senators;

Maritime Division
Nova Scotia
Wanda Thomas Bernard Wandathomas.bernard@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2090
Daniel Christmas Daniel.Christmas@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2188
Jane Cordy Jane.Cordy@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-8409
Mary Coyle Mary.coyle@sen.parl.gc.ca ?
Stephen Greene stephen.greene@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-4210
Michael L. Macdonald michael.macdonald@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-1866
Tom McInnis thomasjohnson.mcinnis@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-1662
Terry Mercer terry.mercer@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2657

New Brunswick
Rene Cormier Rene.Cormier@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2279
Joseph A. Day Joseph.Day@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-992-0833
Nancy Hartling Nancy.Hartling@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-9191
Sandra Lovelace Nicholas carol.smith@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-3635
Paul McIntyre paul.mcintyre@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-1756
Percy Mercer percy.mockler@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-4225
Rose-May Poirier rosemay.poirier@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-4027
David Adams Richard David.Richards@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-6263
Pierrette Ringuette pierrette.ringuette@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-2248
Carolyn Stewart-Olsen SenatorStewartOlsen@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-992-0121

Prince Edward Island
Percy Downe Percy.Downe@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-8107
Mike Duffy Michael.Duffy@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-4318
Diane Griffin Diane.Griffin@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2140



Quebec Division
Diane Bellemare Diane.Bellemare@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-1555
Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu Pierre-Hugues.boisvenu@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-4029
Patrick Brazeau Patrick.Brazeau@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-8625
Claude Carignan Claude.Carignan@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-992-0240
Jean-Guy Dagenais Jean-guy.dagenais@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-7644
Dennis Dawson Dennis.dawson@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-3978
Jacques Demers Line.Tessier@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-992-0151
Renee Dupuis Renee.dupuis@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-4318
Chantal Petitclerc Chantal.Petitclerc@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-0298
Andre Pratte Andre.Pratte@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-0300
Raymonde Saint Germain raymonde.saint-germain@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-9204
Judith Seidman judith.seidman@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-992-0110
Larry Smith larry.smith@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-8555
Josee Verner josee.verner@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-6999
Eric Forest Eric.Forest@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2171
Rosa Galvez rosa.galvez@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2210
Marc Gold marc.gold@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-9211
Leo Housakos Leo.Housakos@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-4237
Serge Joyal serge.joyal@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-0434
Ghislain Maltais ghislain.maltais@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-7377
Paul Massicotte paul.massicotte@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-8110
Marie-Francoise Megie marie-francoise.megie@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2357



Ontario Division
Salma Ataullahjan Salma.ataullahjan@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-5906
Lynn Beyak Lynn.Beyak@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-8680
Robert Black Robert.black@sen.parl.gc.ca ?
Gwen Boniface Gwen.boniface@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-9193
Anne Cools Anne.cools@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-992-2808
Martha Deacon martha.deacon@sen.parl.gc.ca
Tony Dean Tony.dean@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2312
Nicole Eaton nicole.eaton@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-4047
Art Eggleton art.eggleton@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-4230
Linda Frum linda.frum@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-992-0310
Peter Harder peter.harder@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-0222
Frances Lankin Frances.Lankin@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-2795
Sabi Marwah sabi.marwah@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-6809
Lucie Moncion Lucie.Moncion@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2224
Jim Munson jim.munson@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-2504
Thanh Hai Ngo thanhhai.ngo@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-1599
Victo Oh senator.oh@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-1880
Ratna Omidvar Ratna.Omidvar@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-4330
Kim Pate Kim.Pate@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-9220
Howard Wetston Howard.wetston@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-9197
Vernon White Senatorwhite@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-7602



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Manitoba
Patricia Bovey Patricia.bovey@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-9193
Raymonde Gagne Raymonde.Gagne@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-4323
Mary Jane McCallum MaryJane.McCallum@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-1330
Marilou McPhedran Marilou.McPhedran@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2106
Murray Sinclair Senator.Sinclair@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-0234
Don Plett don.plett@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-992-0180

Alberta
Doug Black doug.black@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-8680
Elaine McCoy elaine.mccoy@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-4293
Grant Mitchell grant.mitchell@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-4254
Scott Tannas scott.tannas@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-2240
Betty Unger betty.unger@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-7420

Saskatchewan
Raynell Andreychuk raynell.andreychuk@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-2241
Denise Batters Denise.batters@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-5906
David Tkachuk david.tkachuk@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-3196
Pamela Wallin pamela.wallin@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-2794
Dr. Lillian Dyck Lillian.dyck@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-4318

British Columbia
Larry Campbell Larry.campbell@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-8625
Mobina Jaffer mobina.jaffer@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-992-0189
Yonah Martin martin@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-4078
Richard Neufeld richard.neufeld@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-4055
Nancy Greene Raine nancy.raine@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-4052
Yuen Pau Woo Yuenpau.woo@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-995-9244



Confederation Division
Newfoundland and Labrador
Norman Doyle Norman.doyle@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-996-7483
George Furey george.furey@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-992-4416
Fabian Manning fabian.manning@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-947-4203
Elizabeth Marshall elizabeth.marshall@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-4011
David Wells davidwells@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-943-1788

Nunavut
Dennis Patterson dennis.patterson@sen.parl.gc.ca 613-992-0480

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Gov't offices and firearms groups;

Justin Trudeau:

justin.trudeau@parl.gc.ca

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, MP
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Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale:

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Shadow Public Safety Minister Pierre Paul-Hus (CPC):

Pierre.Paul-Hus@parl.gc.ca

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Fax: 613-995-1625

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https://donate.conservative.ca/membership/


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Phone: 613-843-6400
Fax: 613-993-0260

(email address needed for Brenda Lucki)

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Phone: 613-843-6400
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CSSA Donation page:
Membership $45
https://cssa-cila.org/store/product-...ons-donations/


NFA legal fund donation link:
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CCFR (Canadian Coalitian for Firearms Rights):
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https://firearmrights.ca/en/home/
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Great post, thank you.
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Old 03-25-2018, 07:56 PM
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A very good guide to communicating with your MP and any others you e-mail and write to, from the CSSA;

http://web-extract.constantcontact.c...D1520958259000
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Awesome, thanks for taking the time to share all the info.
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Standing Commitee on National Safety and Public Security (SECU) members and contacts;
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File Type: pdf SECU Contact List.pdf (44.4 KB, 10 views)
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Just bumping to keep the info in a spot where it is easy to find
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Thought I should add this video to point out that how you respond to the Liberals is important, keep it civil, don't rant at them, earn some respect from them instead of having them dismiss you as a uneducated ranting gun nut.
CCFR and NFA are both saying the same thing in that regard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tZhr43b0J0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NltB...ature=youtu.be
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https://www.nfa.ca/nfa-executive-sum...-guy-lavergne/
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Apparently the SECU is the bunch to concentrate on at the moment, let them know your opinion, nicely. They will send it back for third reading. Apparently the head of that committee is fairly decent.
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apparently this was presented to the SECU this week, a paper on how the LIbs twisted figures;
http://justiceforgunowners.ca/bill-c...a-red-herring/
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Some comments fro John Hipwell from Wolverine in Manitoba;
https://thegunblog.ca/2018/03/22/wol...bans-business/
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And some comments from the CSSA and the RCMP;
https://thegunblog.ca/2018/03/20/new...rcmp-responds/
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Nothing too special going on. It appears Cdn Tire may be taking on a policy of recording personal info from PAL's and calling in PAL's, to buy ammo, starting June 1st. Keep an eye on that.
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A presentation to the SECU committee;

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CSSA AGM vid on what they are doing regarding Ruger 10/22 mags and how the gov't is treating this in C71. Worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMlc...ature=youtu.be
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Decent podcast from the CCFR, interview with MP Bob Zimmer, discussing C71, some stuff about C75 as well, and what goes on in Parliament behind the scenes. Apparently a lot of rural Liberals are not very happy with C71 or C75. On one hand they are pushing new un-necessary regulations down gun owners throats, and giving people like smugglers and terrorist supporters, a break.
Trudeau certainly seems to have an agenda, probably not a smart one. Defense lawyers are not very happy about it either, there are processes in there that are indicating their clients could get steamrolled under certain situations.
If you are interested, Google "Bill C75 lawyer reviews".

https://podcast.ccfr.ca/episodes/ccf...april-29-2018/
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SECU meets on Tues may 8th. You can watch it if you like. This is where the amendments to C71 can be made;

http://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentVie...ing-112/notice
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Here is the SECU meeting video from today. Mr Goodale presented his side and took questions on it. Draw your own conclusions, make sure to watch the whole thing, it is 2 hrs.

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/...0Safari/537.36
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I couldn't get through 5 minutes. The crap coming from Goodale makes me physically ill.

His claim that this legislation is going to make Canada safer is a bald faced lie.
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Ralphy wasn't stating it, but he has more planned revelations to come that he hinted at. I think there was a little stage play from Damoff and the DOJ, it stinks like a setup to the next round after C71, after watching the second go round, it appears to be pre-scripted. The boys from AB made them a bit uncomfortable, there were some questions asked that could have been expounded on, such as the correlation between C71 and c75 and the money spending that Goodale promised towards " crime prevention". Goodale was lying thru his teeth, even the NDP guy was sounding doubtful of what he heard, and one Lib lady asked some interestingly mild, but, pointed questions. Fella from Quebec asked some pointed stuff as well.
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John Hipwell will be presenting at the SECU, along with some other people. CCFR got an invite. RCMP seem to be promoting that this bill is law already, or at least preparing for the day it does come. Fair bit of stuff going on this week.
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If you'd like to see what briefs are being presented to the SECU, and by whom, you can check them out here;

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees...ityId=10058758
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And this is just priceless. The RCMP don't know where these guns are exactly, nobody registered them, yet.

https://thegunblog.ca/2018/05/16/rcm...ing-c-71-info/
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Old 05-22-2018, 01:31 PM
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Today is the day the various anti-gun groups and victims groups testify at the SECU. No film allowed, just audio.

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/...nt=Mozilla/5.0

Thursday will be another day of testimony, for the pro-gun side.
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Old 05-24-2018, 12:48 AM
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The SECU will be hearing the more pro firearms side today. CCFR, John Hipwell from Wolverine and some others should be presenting their arguments today.

And , Mr Goodale rejected the petition from last year, to have the people on the Firearms council take the PAL/RPAL courses before being able to sit on the council.
You can read one article on it here;
https://ipolitics.ca/2018/05/23/good...chelle-rempel/
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