Splake

[packhuntr]

Why dont we have afew splake dumped in a handful of lakes here? Thought i heard long time ago that we had some but a guy sure doesnt hear anything of them. Are they not a worthwhile endeavor?

[DuckBrat]

There are still quite a few in Minnewanka.....and other places.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by packhuntr

Why dont we have afew splake dumped in a handful of lakes here? Thought i heard long time ago that we had some but a guy sure doesnt hear anything of them. Are they not a worthwhile endeavor?

It is thought they damage bull trout by cross breeding. Further threatining bull trout genitic purity.

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

It is thought they damage bull trout by cross breeding. Further threatining bull trout genitic purity.

[338Bluff]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

It is thought they damage bull trout by cross breeding. Further threatining bull trout genitic purity.

For the most part they are supposed to be sterile. No??

There are a lot of lakes you could put them in where they would be no where near a bull trout.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

brookies will cross will bulls...and lakers

splake can establish reproductively viable populations

bullxbrookie can as well

so, why would be stock splake or brookies where bull trout reside when it can impact their population genetics?

It is a pretty straight forward conservation method.

If you can kill a brookie, do us a favor and fry it up.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by 338Bluff

For the most part they are supposed to be sterile. No??

There are a lot of lakes you could put them in where they would be no where near a bull trout.

Like SK, MB, ON, QC ETC

[338Bluff]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Like SK, MB, ON, QC ETC

No there are lakes in NE Alberta and a few land locked ones on the north part of the trunk road that could be stocked. No Bull Trout in them. Pretty much just stocked bows.

If they already have brookies in them why not splake.

I have fished several splake lakes in NW Sask. They are not that different from a lot of our lakes.

I have read that it is possible for Splake to spawn, but that it was usually very unsuccessful.

[BeeGuy]

Whats wrong with just catching a laker, a bull or a brookie?

Why the need to stock so many non-native species?

[fishpro]

I know of at least two places in Alberta that have them already, so they are around from past stockings.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

brookies will cross will bulls...and lakers

splake can establish reproductively viable populations

bullxbrookie can as well

so, why would be stock splake or brookies where bull trout reside when it can impact their population genetics?

It is a pretty straight forward conservation method.

If you can kill a brookie, do us a favor and fry it up.

I was under the impression a splake is simply (or more typically) a male brook/female laker.

I was also under the impression reproduction of splake, beyond the second generation was impossible.

Is a brook/bull or laker/bull still a splake? Are those common anywhere?

Is there an example of where splake have established a viable population based on reproduction (with no char species present/available to isolate and/or potentially skew the data)?

Just curious where you got that info from ..... sounds very interesting ....

[Redfrog]

Just fuggedaboutit. BEE Guy doesn't like the idea so forget it.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

Just fuggedaboutit. BEE Guy doesn't like the idea so forget it.

Its not that , it that introduced speices can often affect native speices. Cutties have nearly been lost to invasive. the op suggestion could threaten bull genetics. Seems clear to me. Part of thr issue most folks dont understand how adaptive fish can be, changing sex, egg hardyness, egg migration.

[338Bluff]

Explain how putting a fish into a NE Alberta Lake endangers a Cutthroat or a Bull Trout.

A splake is a man made cross and not exactly 'exotic'. We already have naturalized populations of Brookies. Splake would likely be a better choice for stocking lakes where we currently put brookies into.

I get a little bored only catching obese triploid, pasty silver rainbows. Variation is the spice of life.


Don't get yer knickers in a knot guys, I don't think anyone is talking about stocking a river or lake where there are indigenous populations of bulls or cutts.

Splake are fun (and a little difficult at times to catch) and great to eat.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by 338Bluff

Explain how putting a fish into a NE Alberta Lake endangers a Cutthroat or a Bull Trout.

A splake is a man made cross and not exactly 'exotic'. We already have naturalized populations of Brookies. Splake would likely be a better choice for stocking lakes where we currently put brookies into.

I get a little bored only catching obese triploid, pasty silver rainbows. Variation is the spice of life.


Don't get yer knickers in a knot guys, I don't think anyone is talking about stocking a river or lake where there are indigenous populations of bulls or cutts.

Splake are fun (and a little difficult at times to catch) and great to eat.

Thats how many invasive get a foot hold introductions to safe waters and ma nature gets her way and bam new invasive ruining our fisheries. Carp in the red deer come from a isolated pond,one flood event later now an entire river system is threatend. Birds carry eggs, to many vatiables just make introduced speices a bad idea with all too few pure native speices to go round as it is.

[fish gunner]

If one checks Wikipedia one will find currently 5 self sustaining populations of splake in ont.so if one wishes variety go travel a little and find all the variety you wish but please dont endanger the native speices pls.

[338Bluff]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Thats how many invasive get a foot hold introductions to safe waters and ma nature gets her way and bam new invasive ruining our fisheries. Carp in the red deer come from a isolated pond,one flood event later now an entire river system is threatend. Birds carry eggs, to many vatiables just make introduced speices a bad idea with all too few pure native speices to go round as it is.

Rainbow trout are not native to 90% of the water they are stocked in. In several cases resident populations of pike, suckers, and perch were poisoned to introduce them. You can't seriously think that putting splake in a lake north of Lac La Biche or in the sand hills east of Wainwright is going to threaten bull trout in Hinton??

[338Bluff]

.....and Splake are not invasive.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by 338Bluff

Rainbow trout are not native to 90% of the water they are stocked in. In several cases resident populations of pike, suckers, and perch were poisoned to introduce them. You can't seriously think that putting splake in a lake north of Lac La Biche or in the sand hills east of Wainwright is going to threaten bull trout in Hinton??

Are you suggesting we repeat the mistakes of the past.
I will suggest a man made lake in calgery is over run with perch miles from any perch lake im aware of. Silver carp now infest large portions of the Mississippi basin from one small release , smallmouth bass now threaten many of the east coasts native speices again from one small release.
Bird eats eggs eggs not digested presto invasive out break. thats part of the issue we dont have a clue what will happen . Not sure why one has to change the environment as opposed to travel to the area that currently holds the speices one wishes to fish.

[McLeod]

Just saw this..

1. There are a few populations of splake in Alberta. Yes they reproduce.

2. You could stock 3N Splake in lakes. We only stock 3N Browns and Brookies in the province today..No more 2n..

3. Splake planting is not on the F and W radar nor will it be in the future.