Perch culling Lake sundance

[Sundancefisher]

We had one net in for 14 hours and caught 1555 perch ranging from 4 inches to 11 inches. Ballpark average size was 6-7 inches. The trap has been set for 22 hours and we are having a perch give away at 10 am. Show up with bags and buckets if interested. Small ones make great fertilizer or cook them gutted and whole.

Perch sells for about $15 lb. So LOAD UP! Only 1,432,564,699 perch left to catch...



My emails out to those expressing interest did not go through early so people had late notices.

[AxiALe]

i would love some perch!!


why the culling of the lake

[Renslipevol]

Originally Posted by AxiALe

i would love some perch!!


why the culling of the lake

Perch shouldn't be in that Lake. Trout stock only, as far as I know.



That is alot of perch. How long ago did someone dump perch into that lake?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Renslipevol

Perch shouldn't be in that Lake. Trout stock only, as far as I know.



That is alot of perch. How long ago did someone dump perch into that lake?

we pulled the 1 net this morning. Unfortunately it was twisted and we only caught 75 perch. Yesterday in half the time we caught 1555. When the net twists it blocks the entrance. We will probably set all 4 nets next weekend.

The lake was probably vandalized about 10 years ago now.

We can only hope to manage the problem.

Cheers

Sun

Anyone interested...hope to see you all next weekend.

[SuCraM]

Originally Posted by Renslipevol

Perch shouldn't be in that Lake. Trout stock only, as far as I know.



That is alot of perch. How long ago did someone dump perch into that lake?

Throw a few pike in there and they will take care of the perch problem. I fish a few decent places that have both pike and perch and both populations are healthy and the pike always keep the perch population in check.

[Sartorius]

I guess that would end all hopes of having a decent trout fishery in there though...

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by SuCraM

Throw a few pike in there and they will take care of the perch problem. I fish a few decent places that have both pike and perch and both populations are healthy and the pike always keep the perch population in check.

It is illegal to put pike in there. Plus the pike would eat the trout first before perch. The trout fishery would be destroyed and the pike would not be a sustainable fishery and there are already to many perch for pike alone to control in a reasonable amount of time.

Only options are poison out the perch or try and net the crap out of them or give up and watch Dimestore Fisherman on the TV.

I opt for action...

Cheers

Sun

[Battery]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

It is illegal to put pike in there. Plus the pike would eat the trout first before perch. The trout fishery would be destroyed and the pike would not be a sustainable fishery and there are already to many perch for pike alone to control in a reasonable amount of time.

Only options are poison out the perch or try and net the crap out of them or give up and watch Dimestore Fisherman on the TV.

I opt for action...

Cheers

Sun

If poisoned, how long would the poison stay in the water? Wouldn't they have to wait for a few years to restock the lake with trout? (not trying to stir anything up i just don't know the answer to this)

[laobei]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

we pulled the 1 net this morning. Unfortunately it was twisted and we only caught 75 perch. Yesterday in half the time we caught 1555. When the net twists it blocks the entrance. We will probably set all 4 nets next weekend.

The lake was probably vandalized about 10 years ago now.

We can only hope to manage the problem.

Cheers

Sun

Anyone interested...hope to see you all next weekend.

count me in. Please let me know the date and time, I will be there setting up the net for sure.

[FishBrain]

DARN I didnt have access to the site on the weekend and missed out!!!
GGRR
I can be there next sat.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Battery

If poisoned, how long would the poison stay in the water? Wouldn't they have to wait for a few years to restock the lake with trout? (not trying to stir anything up i just don't know the answer to this)

Depending upon the water temperature the rotenone is gone in 3 to 7 days. You can restock within the month.

Typically what would make sense for us would of been to not stock in the Spring, have a salvage fishery...no limits and also gill net in August to October. Then rotenone after the swimming season (more politics than necessity). Then just restock in the Spring.

Rotenone is made from the root of a South American Bean Plant. It is organic and breaks down. Some eco nuts say rotenone is dangerous to people but it was studied extensively and is fine. I would say that rotenone to water and fish is what round up is to dirt and weeds.

[MathewsArcher]

Rotanone has been used since the 30's in fisheries management. Red sided shiners were removed from Lees lake in Southern Alberta at one time, I'm not sure if they ever restablished. Potassium permangenate was used to detoxify the water as it left the late at the outlet and can be used to shorten the lifespan of rotanone in the water.

Interestingly fish poisoned with rotenone can be revived if placed in clean well oxygenated water during the early stages when they first come to the surface to gulp air.

[Able]

I would like some perch Too.

[Unregistered user]

Me too please.

[foxracing_23]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

We had one net in for 14 hours and caught 1555 perch ranging from 4 inches to 11 inches. Ballpark average size was 6-7 inches. The trap has been set for 22 hours and we are having a perch give away at 10 am. Show up with bags and buckets if interested. Small ones make great fertilizer or cook them gutted and whole.

Perch sells for about $15 lb. So LOAD UP! Only 1,432,564,699 perch left to catch...



My emails out to those expressing interest did not go through early so people had late notices.

just me or is this the most ****ed up thing i've ever heard someone brag about?

[hal53]

Originally Posted by foxracing_23

just me or is this the most ****ed up thing i've ever heard someone brag about?

Yup..it`s just you...read the thread carefully, they`re trying to solve a problem that was illegally introduced into a PRIVATE lake (trout pond) in a PRIVATE community in Calgary, with, from what I understand full co-operation from F&W

[foxracing_23]

Use them as fertilizer? Eat them whole?
Im really restraining myself here. Catch them and throw them in a different lake.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by foxracing_23

Use them as fertilizer? Eat them whole? Im really restraining myself here. Catch them and throw them in a different lake.

In some other lake they don`t belong in......wont work....

[foxracing_23]

in any lake that has a decreasing perch population

[baitfisher83]

throw them in chesterslough....lol it's not far from there i dont think

[hal53]

Originally Posted by baitfisher83

throw them in chesterslough....lol it's not far from there i dont think

I`m probably not the best one to discuss this, as I have only been following the thread, hoping they can get their pond back....logistically (and maybe financially) it would be imprudent to transport then IMO, Sundance could likely provide more details....but...this is what happens when somebody thinks they can create their own fishery...without knowing what may or may not happen, I`m sure the people living their paid a little extra for their home due to the fact that a private trout pond was there as well....until it went sideways....not an easy problem to solve by anymeans

[foxracing_23]

Originally Posted by hal53

Ihoping they can get their pond back....logistically (and maybe financially) it would be imprudent to transport then IMO, Sundance could likely provide more details

It would make a lot more sense to have a 20 limit on perch at the lake for the next few years than to catch 1500 of them, have 500 taken and thrown on some weird mother****ers front lawn as fertilizer, 100 small ones eaten whole by an inbred family of 12 then throw 900 in the garbage.

I wouldnt mind more details either

Originally Posted by foxracing_23

Use them as fertilizer? Eat them whole?
Im really restraining myself here. Catch them and throw them in a different lake.

Highly illegal, I suggest you look for other threads by sundance as this has all been explained.

http://www.mywildalberta.com/Fishing...dInvaders.aspx


"Aquatic organisms are often accidentally or deliberately moved from water body to water body. This practice is illegal and dangerous. Undesirable species, parasites and diseases can upset the delicate balance of ecosystems and sport fisheries, as well as cause millions of dollars in damage.

Anglers, and boaters in general, can help prevent the movement of such organisms by carefully washing their waders, fishing equipment, water containers, boats and trailers (float planes) clean of all mud, plants and river or lake water. Never transport fish, aquatic organisms, plants or water from one area to another. "

From the regs:

"Release live fish or live fish eggs into any waters except back to the waters from which they were caught."

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/fishingregs/

[foxracing_23]

I really dont care, those rules are for you and me and everyone on this board, fish and wildlife could come up with a better plan for the 1,432,564,699apparent perch left in the lake.

Originally Posted by foxracing_23

I really dont care, those rules are for you and me and everyone on this board, fish and wildlife could come up with a better plan for the 1,432,564,699apparent perch left in the lake.

Here...read up, all these questions have been answered to death.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/searc...earchid=990526

Search is a great feature.

And no, F&W couldn't come up with anything

[foxracing_23]

Originally Posted by troller

Here...read up, all these questions have been answered to death.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/searc...earchid=990526

Search is a great feature.

And no, F&W couldn't come up with anything

im sure it is, but im watching porn and would rather someone post the links for me

And they could dig a new hole and throw some water in with the perch, advertise it and it would be empty in 2 weeks and I garuntee the fish would be used alot better than fertilizer

[Badback]

Hey Hal53...To bad you aren't any closer to Calgary to get in on this...Check out these 2videos I took last winter and the perch you see here are the 4 - 6 inch range...Now the ice is off the lake, you can see the perch in the swimming area and docks...Kevin aka Sundance checked out all ways to get the population down, he even has set up fishing days for forum members many times….PS…I hope your referring to Foxracing 23 with the porn comment since he was the one quoting it…lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voAss...eature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihYiv...eature=channel

[Unregistered user]

Originally Posted by foxracing_23

It would make a lot more sense to have a 20 limit on perch at the lake for the next few years than to catch 1500 of them, have 500 taken and thrown on some weird mother****ers front lawn as fertilizer, 100 small ones eaten whole by an inbred family of 12 then throw 900 in the garbage.

I wouldnt mind more details either

There's no limit on perch in this lake. You don't need an Alberta license to fish it. The lake is a paid encumbrance on the residence. The trout are fed in this lake at a cost to the residents and the perch gobble up the food. The trout are bought by the residents of the community. This has nothing to do with regular Alberta fisheries.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by foxracing_23

im sure it is, but im watching porn and would rather someone post the links for me

And they could dig a new hole and throw some water in with the perch, advertise it and it would be empty in 2 weeks and I garuntee the fish would be used alot better than fertilizer

Dude... You are definitely barking up the wrong tree. When you have a million perch breeding out of control and stunting without natural predators to the point they are no longer a viable fishery...the only recourse is population control via angling and netting. There is no limit on perch for the residents. We had a derby with 60 people and 800 perch were caught all day. The small ones are just not catchable. Over the course of the whole winter...less perch were probably caught then what we caught netting in two weekends. You have to realize this problem is the result of illegal introduction of perch and effectively the worst vandalizm that someone could of done. The perch are eating the lake out of house and home and ruining what was once a great trout sport fishery for residents.

Given this problem stemmed from a bucket of perch brought in from most likely a few kids coming back from a weekend away...the genetics are now know...diseases not fully understood and therefore using them for stocking purposes not such a good idea. I have asked F&W about this.

I guess your main problem is that you are just not understanding the issue and/or looking for an argument. If you want information I am happy to provide it to you. If you are looking for an argument...talk to the perch and not to the board.

Fertililzer is a viable option when the perch are stunted and not likely to grow bigger than 4 inches. By removing as many as possible it will allow the remaining perch to attain a larger size. While we can never erradicate the perch...we can try and act like a predator and remove a large number of them. In the wild...a huge percentage become natural fertilizer via being eaten by pike and walleye and then excreted out the other end...

Anyways...the option is to distribute the perch to our friendly neighbourhood fishermen or take to a landfill.

What do you think is a better option?

[iliketrout]

Sundance, when is the next planned cull? I'm available to help out and to take some home!