Soldier shot/shooting Parliment Hill

[score]

Damn cowards these guys are.

[spinerfisher]

Originally Posted by whammy

I realize that. He was asking why the war memorial didn't have security.

You would think not since its a war memorial, museum, in Canada, but that has now changed for the good. After this do you think city halls will have guards now???

[recce43]

You can whine and complain all you want. But i have no time for bleeding liberal hearts. I would not even give you the time of day .stand up be proud be a man . Soldiers protect and serve this country but citizens need to stand up and protect this country to.

[whammy]

Originally Posted by score

"police state" is an irrelevant conversation at this point. I think this attack answers your question. We can no longer pretend that "our peaceful, free way of life" is safe.

If that's what you think, they have accomplished exactly what they set out to do.

Originally Posted by backcountry cowboy

There has to some serious changes now, there is no reason for these things to be happening and for all these radicals to be coming into Canada. If you come to Canada, you support Canada….. if you disagree with what we believe in and stand for…. get out! Plain and simple
Our soldiers have risked their lives, in both World Wars and many other conflicts to let Canadians have the rights and freedoms we do, and we should back our soldiers up….. no questions asked

Don't be surprised if these are born-in-Canada attackers.

[Kurt505]

The response to this by some members lets me know who should be kicked the hell out of this country, not just this forum. Disgusting.

[backcountry cowboy]

Originally Posted by recce43

You can whine and complain all you want. But i have no time for bleeding liberal hearts. I would not even give you the time of day .stand up be proud be a man . Soldiers protect and serve this country but citizens need to stand up and protect this country to.

x2

[Fisherpeak]

Originally Posted by whammy

If that's what you think, they have accomplished exactly what they set out to do.



Don't be surprised if these are born-in-Canada attackers.

I won`t be,the dirtbag in Quebec was.

[Fredo]

It's the 2d generation and those after that are causing trouble in Europe (UK, France, Germany mostly). They are probably born in Canada and they have grown hating what they should consider as their homeland, thanks to their book.
We know very well this story in Europe.

[backcountry cowboy]

Whammy, there is a good chance that some of these attacks are coming from Canadian born attackers, but many of them go overseas and train with radical groups around the world

[Zulu9er]

Originally Posted by whammy

If that's what you think, they have accomplished exactly what they set out to do.



Don't be surprised if these are born-in-Canada attackers.

You could very well be right. Gov says they are watching 90 or so radicals in Canada. They could be unknown, but belong to a radical group, or an offshoot. I want to know the nationality of the one that was capped, Canadian or not. The background checks on this guy are going to be intense, as they should be.

[Jadham]

Originally Posted by Fredo

It's the 2d generation and those after that are causing trouble in Europe (UK, France, Germany mostly). They are probably born in Canada and they have grown hating their homeland, thanks to their book.
We know very well this story in Europe.

I haven't heard anything to suggest the Quebec driver was 2nd generation or anything other than home grown Canadian. The picture on the National Post doesn't suggest it either, for what's that worth.

Of course it may be different with the Ottawa one(s).

IMHO it makes it much worse and problematic if they are completely home-grown.

And according to both the C Herald's article and the National Post's, the Quebec driver had no training or even contact with ISIL... again to me more troubling than if he had.

[Sashi]

Time to gather up all the suspected terrorists in Canada and imprison them until this is all sorted out.

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by backcountry cowboy

There has to some serious changes now, there is no reason for these things to be happening and for all these radicals to be coming into Canada.

I would like to call this post out as a prime example of an uninformed, knee-jerk reaction.

1) The car-attack on soldiers the other day was done by someone who was born in Canada - A frenchman.

2) The identity of today's shooter is as yet unknown. Given reports of long black hair, they could be native as easily as they could be Muslim.

Yet, the poster is demanding that we stop "letting radicals into canada".


Such uninformed knee-jerk reactions have far greater potential to decrease our freedoms than a couple of nutjobs on the rampage.

As was mentioned previously by Arachnodisiac, we only need look at the America to see the cost of unmeasured response.

[score]

Originally Posted by whammy

If that's what you think, they have accomplished exactly what they set out to do.

Do you not understand the vast difference between being afraid or being prepared, without living in denial and being complacent? Proof is on TV right now again, and warnings of these attacks have been clear as day. As usual they weren't taken seriously and people have died..........get it?

This isn't an isolated event and you can bet your last dollar it's not the last.

[whammy]

Originally Posted by score

Do you not understand the vast difference between being afraid or being prepared, without living in denial and being complacent? Proof is on TV right now again, and warnings of these attacks have been clear as day. As usual they weren't taken seriously and people have died..........get it?

This isn't an isolated event and you can bet your last dollar it's not the last.

Apparently you don't get what terrorism is...

[gman1978]

Originally Posted by Robin Goodfellow

I would like to call this post out as a prime example of an uninformed, knee-jerk reaction.

1) The car-attack on soldiers the other day was done by someone who was born in Canada - A frenchman.

2) The identity of today's shooter is as yet unknown. Given reports of long black hair, they could be native as easily as they could be Muslim.

Yet, the poster is demanding that we stop "letting radicals into canada".


Such uninformed knee-jerk reactions have far greater potential to decrease our freedoms than a couple of nutjobs on the rampage.

As was mentioned previously by Arachnodisiac, we only need look at the America to see the cost of unmeasured response.

The poster demands we stop letting radicals into Canada..... Good Idea to me, Do you suggest we let them in???

Again, Trash is Trash and we dont need to decrease our freedom we need to STAY free.

[score]

Originally Posted by whammy

Apparently you don't get what terrorism is...

lol....ok bud. Apparently you don't know what I get at all. That's fine. Carry on and have a nice day

[Bergerboy]

I think Canada Immigration needs a "Sorry We Are Full" sign. To all countries regardless until we can sort out the issues already here.

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by Robin Goodfellow

I would like to call this post out as a prime example of an uninformed, knee-jerk reaction.

1) The car-attack on soldiers the other day was done by someone who was born in Canada - A frenchman.

2) The identity of today's shooter is as yet unknown. Given reports of long black hair, they could be native as easily as they could be Muslim.

Yet, the poster is demanding that we stop "letting radicals into canada".


Such uninformed knee-jerk reactions have far greater potential to decrease our freedoms than a couple of nutjobs on the rampage.

As was mentioned previously by Arachnodisiac, we only need look at the America to see the cost of unmeasured response.

Knee jerk, it's what you gonna do when you'll get randomly shot by a radical while picking up your kids at school. This is what happened in France last year in Toulouse.

The biggest mistake is to call them nutjobs, because they are not. They know what they do.

and don't call french-speaking people a frenchman, that is inaccurate and annoying. A Frenchman is someone from France, a Francophone is someone who speaks french as a language.

[Arachnodisiac]

And I just want to clarify that I absolutely believe we should respond.
I just want to be smart about it.

I am a firefighter/EMR. I haven't served in the military, but I think it's safe to say that most people in emergency services feel we are in an extended family together.

Having attended quite a few emergency scenes over the years, one of the things are are trained for is not giving in to developing tunnel vision. Firefighters especially are known for sometimes doing things with too much gusto, thanks to the adrenaline. (Like doors being kicked in when they were unlocked to begin with, for instance.)

Having that kind of experience and training, coupled with my media career has taught me to sometimes take a deep breath and get as much information before acting, because consequences last a lifetime. But that doesn't mean we don't act.

Just wanted to clarify before I get branded a sympathizer. The truth is, we just don't know enough about anything yet to make any kind of plan.

Originally Posted by Robin Goodfellow

I would like to call this post out as a prime example of an uninformed, knee-jerk reaction.

1) The car-attack on soldiers the other day was done by someone who was born in Canada - A frenchman.

2) The identity of today's shooter is as yet unknown. Given reports of long black hair, they could be native as easily as they could be Muslim.

Yet, the poster is demanding that we stop "letting radicals into canada".


Such uninformed knee-jerk reactions have far greater potential to decrease our freedoms than a couple of nutjobs on the rampage.

As was mentioned previously by Arachnodisiac, we only need look at the America to see the cost of unmeasured response.

[whammy]

Originally Posted by score

lol....ok bud. Apparently you don't know what I get at all. That's fine. Carry on and have a nice day

Same to you!

[B_Type13X2]

My first reaction over this is anger but I am not of the mind to go out with an unmeasured response to attack overseas before we know who attacked us. Our response should be swift and in multitudes of magnitude greater then what was done to us. And for those calling for an increased amount of security and heightened sense of paranoia, consider how much safer that actually made the good old USA. They gave up alot of their freedom's and militarized their police forces. That knee jerk reaction didn't make them any safer it just took away their liberties and undermined their values.

And on to the second point why the hell are we observing these radicals INSIDE our country? Why are they allowed INSIDE our country? I don't give a crap if they were born here and then went overseas for their training, if we know they left the country to seek out training with militant extremists why do we allow them to even have a Canadian passport or to clear our customs? If were so concerned that they are actually under active surveillance, why are they not expelled from the country?

Finally, I am a Liberal person although I vote conservative, and I am not ashamed of it. I am also not a bleeding heart when it comes to my country being attacked; I am just more of a fan of an appropriate response against those who did attack us. Once we know who did it for sure that's when we go old testament on them in response.

[score]

Originally Posted by Robin Goodfellow

I would like to call this post out as a prime example of an uninformed, knee-jerk reaction.

1) The car-attack on soldiers the other day was done by someone who was born in Canada - A frenchman.

2) The identity of today's shooter is as yet unknown. Given reports of long black hair, they could be native as easily as they could be Muslim.

Yet, the poster is demanding that we stop "letting radicals into canada".


Such uninformed knee-jerk reactions have far greater potential to decrease our freedoms than a couple of nutjobs on the rampage.

As was mentioned previously by Arachnodisiac, we only need look at the America to see the cost of unmeasured response.

"uninformed" strikes me as relevant to your post. Naïve may be another interpretation. I don't care if these animals are "home grown" or not.

I'll say this again because it has been talked about before but I think most don't even know what it means, and if they do, don't acknowledge it. This is a CALIPHATE!!

[whammy]

Originally Posted by score

"uninformed" strikes me as relevant to your post. Naïve may be another interpretation. I don't care if these animals are "home grown" or not.

I'll say this again because it has been talked about before but I think most don't even know what it means, and if they do, don't acknowledge it. This is a CALIPHATE!!

We still don't know if these creeps were moslems or not. Early reports stated they were natives... Too early to tell.

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by Arachnodisiac

Just wanted to clarify before I get branded a sympathizer.

I suspect that to some modes of thinking, anything less than vocal calls for immediate retribution in a random direction is is seen as weak.

Originally Posted by Arachnodisiac

The truth is, we just don't know enough about anything yet to make any kind of plan.

I wholeheartedly agree, although, that doesn't seem to have stopped many in this thread from weighing in with their plans.

[Jadham]

Originally Posted by Arachnodisiac

And I just want to clarify that I absolutely believe we should respond.
I just want to be smart about it.

I am a firefighter/EMR. I haven't served in the military, but I think it's safe to say that most people in emergency services feel we are in an extended family together.

Having attended quite a few emergency scenes over the years, one of the things are are trained for is not giving in to developing tunnel vision. Firefighters especially are known for sometimes doing things with too much gusto, thanks to the adrenaline. (Like doors being kicked in when they were unlocked to begin with, for instance.)

Having that kind of experience and training, coupled with my media career has taught me to sometimes take a deep breath and get as much information before acting, because consequences last a lifetime. But that doesn't mean we don't act.

Just wanted to clarify before I get branded a sympathizer. The truth is, we just don't know enough about anything yet to make any kind of plan.

x2 (though I did serve in the military)

And to add, with some more information (and then likely some parliamentary debate) how to respond effectively... increased arrest powers to police, more money to CSIS for internet monitoring, increased military action overseas, etc.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Arachnodisiac

And I just want to clarify that I absolutely believe we should respond.
I just want to be smart about it.

I am a firefighter/EMR. I haven't served in the military, but I think it's safe to say that most people in emergency services feel we are in an extended family together.

Having attended quite a few emergency scenes over the years, one of the things are are trained for is not giving in to developing tunnel vision. Firefighters especially are known for sometimes doing things with too much gusto, thanks to the adrenaline. (Like doors being kicked in when they were unlocked to begin with, for instance.)

Having that kind of experience and training, coupled with my media career has taught me to sometimes take a deep breath and get as much information before acting, because consequences last a lifetime. But that doesn't mean we don't act.

Just wanted to clarify before I get branded a sympathizer. The truth is, we just don't know enough about anything yet to make any kind of plan.

This. My thoughts are with the Soldier who was lost today and his family, but to jump to conclusions this early does know one any good.

In saying that if this does turn out to be an ISIL attack. It will make me even more proud to be writing the CFAT tomorrow to join in the fight against them. I already believed we had enough reason to fight them for their treatment of men, women, and children in the middle east. This would just cement in my mind that this group is a threat to my friends, family, and all canadians who seek peace.

[spinerfisher]

News reports are unfolding as we speak. Some stations say one thing to another. The outcome is not good regardless.

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by Jadham

And to add, with some more information (and then likely some parliamentary debate) how to respond effectively... increased arrest powers to police, more money to CSIS for internet monitoring, increased military action overseas, etc.

Am I the only one here who recognizes that all of the above suggestions would decrease our freedoms?

[whammy]

Originally Posted by Robin Goodfellow

Am I the only one here who recognizes that all of the above suggestions would decrease our freedoms?

Exactly. Which is exactly what terrorists set out to do.