Soldier shot/shooting Parliment Hill - Page 8

huntsfurfish · #**211** 10-22-2014, 01:20 PM

Thankfully, no one on here has any power to do anything. And I will leave it at that!

recce43 · #**212** 10-22-2014, 01:20 PM

Stand Down

Stand down soldier
Your mission is done
The danger is over
There's no need to run
You were trained well
To obey each demand
So take this and heed
This one final command
Rest your body
And rest your eyes
As we weep the loss
When a good soldier dies
Bask in the peace
That you can now enjoy
Embrace it for us
Let it too be our joy
The life that you lived
Will constantly remind
And bring on a smile
To those you leave behind
We thank you for serving
Your loyalty stood true
And hope that some day
We will meet up with you.

Perseverance

wasteland.soldier · #**213** 10-22-2014, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by score

right on! There should be no debate at all about this, only a plan and firm, unified resolve.

Agreed. Speaking of which, some better news from yesterday...

airbornedeerhunter · #**214** 10-22-2014, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ehntr

Not reacting to your first suggestion but the second suggestion is not supported. CAF personnel should not hide in civilian clothing, wearing the uniform is part of the job. Not wear your uniform on Canadian soil? That is a distasteful option and must not be considered. Trolling in uniform for the sole purpose of inviting an incident, whether it be to lure a crackpot or the media is not recommended either.

Just got called at home. All CAF personnel are hereby ordered to NOT wear their uniform to and from work or run errands/coffee run during the day in uniform.

Canada wide order. Doesn't affect me, I go to the gym in PT gear every morning before I go to work and go home in civvies.

This is now a force protection issue.

NINJABABY · #**215** 10-22-2014, 01:24 PM

Sorry to hear that the soldier who was shot died.

here is the link

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle21217602/

score · #**216** 10-22-2014, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Robin Goodfellow

We weren't at war, until yesterday, when we sent our jets to bomb some nutjobs on the other side of the planet.

Nutjobs with zero force projection capability.

It's a shame that in our national rush to avoid "doing nothing" we also avoided responding sensibly.

When ISIS finally does figure out a way to "respond" to us, let us not delude ourselves as to who threw the first punch.

Your opinions are indeed troubling and in fact part of the problems our society face. Your attitude contributes to the complacency that has resulted in horrible tragedies such as what has taken place today IMO.

whammy · #**217** 10-22-2014, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tri777

But it "is" starting to surface..
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http://newsday247.com/2014/10/22/bre...attack-source/

"Newsday 24/7 got access to talk to a senior Islamic State official in Iraq who confirmed it was members of IS who launch the attack on canadian parliament and nearby areas.

He added that Canada is an anti-islamic proxy state under the US and thus is a legitimate target for it’s contribution to the war against the Islamic State.

The official not saying how many attackers were involved in the attack told Newsday 24/7 the jihadist opened fire at two police guards who tried to stop them outside the parliament building.

He said one was killed and another critically injured. jihadist were successfull in making it to inside the parliament hall where MPs and PM Stephen Harper were at the time.

“Jihadist shoot the infidels and destroyed everything inside the parliament hall,” says the official who don’t want to be named."

They will claim anything they can as their own. I wouldn't put ANY faith in that statement.

tri777 · #**218** 10-22-2014, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by airbornedeerhunter

Just got called at home. All CAF personnel are hereby ordered to NOT wear their uniform to and from work or run errands/coffee run during the day in uniform.

Canada wide order. Doesn't affect me, I go to the gym in PT gear every morning before I go to work and go home in civvies.

This is now a force protection issue.

Not a fan of that^^..
SHOULD BE:

All CAF personnel are hereby ordered to be armed an CCW barers!
Taking off uniform=succumbing to the bully!

tri777 · #**219** 10-22-2014, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by whammy

They will claim anything they can as their own. I wouldn't put ANY faith in that statement.

Very true!
By the end of the week i'm certain, all shall know whom's
desire today's deed was..

pseelk · #**220** 10-22-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tri777

Not a fan of that^^..
SHOULD BE:

All CAF personnel are hereby ordered to be armed an CCW barers!
Taking off uniform=succumbing to the bully!

I agree!

Robin Goodfellow · #**221** 10-22-2014, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by score

Your opinions are indeed troubling and in fact part of the problems our society face. Your attitude contributes to the complacency that has resulted in horrible tragedies such as what has taken place today IMO.

What do you feel could have been done to prevent what happened today?

recce43 · #**222** 10-22-2014, 01:40 PM

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.

Winston Churchill

Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.

Winston Churchill

airbornedeerhunter · #**223** 10-22-2014, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tri777

Not a fan of that^^..
SHOULD BE:

All CAF personnel are hereby ordered to be armed an CCW barers!
Taking off uniform=succumbing to the bully!

Uh, NO.

This is now a force protection issue. As an Infanteer I would have no issue carrying a weapon 24/7 as they are simply an extension of my hands. Same goes for all combat arms soldiers. It is an entirely different story for service and support trades in all 3 branches of the military, many of whom probably haven't manipulated a weapons system in years. Just because someone is in uniform does not a gunfighter make. Cooks, clerks, refrigeration techs, dentists, etc etc. likely haven't fired a pistol or service rifle since they qualified prior to deploying or an annual weapons refresher. It's not in their job description. Yes, everyone is a soldier first, but "soldier" is a generic term. Case in point, I ran a range last week and a Navy LS clerk did not know how load , ready, unload or to clear stoppages on the 9mm. She had never fired one before. And you want her carrying a handgun into Tim Horton's?

mark-edmonton · #**224** 10-22-2014, 01:44 PM

To all my still serving, and retired military brothers!!! Stay strong, be vigilant and be that support for each other! Soldier on troops! Do what you were trained to do, make canada proud!

Okotokian · #**225** 10-22-2014, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by airbornedeerhunter

Just got called at home. All CAF personnel are hereby ordered to NOT wear their uniform to and from work or run errands/coffee run during the day in uniform.
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it just doesn't seem right that in times of crisis and threat the military presence seemingly disappears from our streets. However, that's easy for me to say given I don't wear a uniform. Easy for someone who is safe to demand that others take more risk. Will be interesting to see what actual soldiers think. Maybe they are good with it.

pseelk · #**226** 10-22-2014, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Okotokian

Makes it appear as if the Forces are fearful and running scared. Relax, I know they're not. But it just doesn't seem right that in times of crisis and threat the military presence seemingly disappears from our streets. However, that's easy for me to say given I don't wear a uniform. Will be interesting to see what actual soldiers think.

It doesnt matter what they think.It is an order and must be followed.But I agree with you they are likely not happy about it either.

airbornedeerhunter · #**227** 10-22-2014, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Okotokian

Makes it appear as if the Forces are fearful and running scared. Relax, I know they're not. But it just doesn't seem right that in times of crisis and threat the military presence seemingly disappears from our streets. However, that's easy for me to say given I don't wear a uniform. Will be interesting to see what actual soldiers think.

Again, this is a force protection issue. Nothing more. FYI, the US military are NOT permitted to wear cammies off post on most bases- for this exact reason.

I have no issue getting shot at and playing IED hopscotch in places like Afghanistan, been there several times and done that. I'm really not interested though in getting greased going to get a coffee at lunch with nothing more than my truck keys in my hand!

Again, it's a force protection issue-nothing more. Unarmed people in uniform are now targets. If they want to let me take my C8 and 9milli home, no problem. Otherwise I'll leave the CADPAT in my locker.

Okotokian · #**228** 10-22-2014, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by airbornedeerhunter

Again, this is a force protection issue. Nothing more. FYI, the US military are NOT permitted to wear cammies off post on most bases- for this exact reason.

I have no issue getting shot at and playing IED hopscotch in places like Afghanistan, been there several times and done that. I'm really not interested though in getting greased going to get a coffee at lunch with nothing more than my truck keys in my hand!

Again, it's a force protection issue-nothing more. Unarmed people in uniform are now targets. If they want to let me take my C8 and 9milli home, no problem. Otherwise I'll leave the CADPAT in my locker.

Thanks.

coastalhunter · #**229** 10-22-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by twofifty

Jamie, the media said it was a LONG rifle....i.e. a LONG GUN.
Kinda like the LONG GUN REGISTRY.

They're preparing the ground for the next registry.

Something tells me it'd be kinda stoopid for government to start talking about more gun control at the moment....

tri777 · #**230** 10-22-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by airbornedeerhunter

Again, this is a force protection issue. Nothing more. FYI, the US military are NOT permitted to wear cammies off post on most bases- for this exact reason.

I have no issue getting shot at and playing IED hopscotch in places like Afghanistan, been there several times and done that. I'm really not interested though in getting greased going to get a coffee at lunch with nothing more than my truck keys in my hand!Again, it's a force protection issue-nothing more. Unarmed people in uniform are now targets. If they want to let me take my C8 and 9milli home, no problem. Otherwise I'll leave the CADPAT in my locker.

Most excellent take on things!!
At least it makes more sense now..

spaded · #**231** 10-22-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by airbornedeerhunter

Now more than ever the country needs to band together. Our military members are being murdered on our own soil, our parliament under attack. Lets put the partisan stuff aside and stand up as CANADIANS and tell these scumbags that we will not be intimidated.

Remembrance Day is in two weeks. Show up in force, staying home will show these POS that they have won and we are scared. I'll be going as I always do, in uniform, boots and brass shone and wearing my medals proudly on my chest. My wife and children will be at my side. Lets show them that we are united and are not afraid.

I feel a rage today that I have not felt since my last tour in Afghanistan.

We need to crush this.

No other way to look at it......

wasteland.soldier · #**232** 10-22-2014, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by airbornedeerhunter

Uh, NO.

This is now a force protection issue. As an Infanteer I would have no issue carrying a weapon 24/7 as they are simply an extension of my hands. Same goes for all combat arms soldiers. It is an entirely different story for service and support trades in all 3 branches of the military, many of whom probably haven't manipulated a weapons system in years. Just because someone is in uniform does not a gunfighter make. Cooks, clerks, refrigeration techs, dentists, etc etc. likely haven't fired a pistol or service rifle since they qualified prior to deploying or an annual weapons refresher. It's not in their job description. Yes, everyone is a soldier first, but "soldier" is a generic term. Case in point, I ran a range last week and a Navy LS clerk did not know how load , ready, unload or to clear stoppages on the 9mm. She had never fired one before. And you want her carrying a handgun into Tim Horton's?

Airborne, do many soldiers even train with handguns? I was under the impression that only officers, MP's, and probably some vehicle crew members carried sidearms.

recce43 · #**233** 10-22-2014, 02:10 PM

Armoured crews train with handguns

airbornedeerhunter · #**234** 10-22-2014, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wasteland.soldier

Airborne, do many soldiers even train with handguns? I was under the impression that only officers, MP's, and probably some vehicle crew members carried sidearms.

Pistols are essentially "camp guns" I never carried mine on patrol in Afghanistan and only carried it back in the FOB as it was easier than carrying around my rifle/M203 while inside the wire and going for chow etc. Everyone in the combat arms, particularly Infantry are proficient with them and we shoot all the time but generally only C6 machine gunners carry them as a secondary weapon. Some guys carried them but not all. You have to qualify on the PWT prior to deploying.

Burglecut83 · #**235** 10-22-2014, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by uglyelk

Well said, couldn't agree more!

You said it perfectly !

recce43 · #**236** 10-22-2014, 02:16 PM

Rest easy

recce43 · #**237** 10-22-2014, 02:25 PM

unconfirmed
Law enforcement and U.S. government sources tell CBS News the dead shooting suspect is Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, born 1982, and he is believed to be Canadian-born.

Ottawa police spokesman Chuck Benoit said two or three gunmen may have been involved in the attack. Gilles Michaud, assistant commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, called it a "dynamic, unfolding situation."

DukesArcher · #**238** 10-22-2014, 02:31 PM

We had a british soldiers have his head cut of in public last year.

Hope they catch and shoot these vile creatures.

outdoorsygal · #**239** 10-22-2014, 02:32 PM

First....condolences to the family of this young military person who lost his life and went to work this morning and not knowing it would be his last. So tragic! It was a matter of time before the clutches of evil show themselves. Canada was warned two weeks ago to be prepared for attacks. I don't think we will ever be able to protect ourselves from these face-covered cowards but given the chance...I know a lot of us members would love the chance to blow them away. The sad thing too is this attacker could very well be a canadian turned terrorist! Just my opinion!!!!

SKSniper · #**240** 10-22-2014, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by outdoorsygal

First....condolences to the family of this young military person who lost his life and went to work this morning and not knowing it would be his last. So tragic! It was a matter of time before the clutches of evil show themselves. Canada was warned two weeks ago to be prepared for attacks. I don't think we will ever be able to protect ourselves from these face-covered cowards but given the chance...I know a lot of us members would love the chance to blow them away. The sad thing too is this attacker could very well be a canadian turned terrorist! Just my opinion!!!!

According to Reece's post above, it was a Canadian turned terrorist. Unconfirmed at the time however.