Canada Post - Its over! - Page 8

Dakota369 · #**211** 06-23-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by eastcoast

like I have said everybody benefits from unions even the non union workers, I was working non union a few years ago for a company, when the union brung in the new wages we got a raise of the same ammount why? competition they were afraid if people found out about the union companies getting raises people would leave and go to work there,im not sure about this but I heard that pepsi and coke are both in edmonton on parson's road, one plant is union and the other non union and when the union guys get raises the other one gives them automatically.

as far as the postal strike goes alot of the courier companies are now union if not all of the big ones anyways.what's wrong with the little guy getting paid a decent wage for a days work? should the corporations make all the money and us mear pesants be happy to work for nothing?

Still waiting for clarification.......I would like it if you would answer the question in re; to your initial proclamation about how the poor exploited workers are getting bent over........

eastcoast · #**212** 06-23-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dakota369

Still waiting for clarification.......I would like it if you would answer the question in re; to your initial proclamation about how the poor exploited workers are getting bent over........

that's not what they are doing to them right now?

ctd · #**213** 06-23-2011, 04:50 PM

Building a house non union compared to union is like what it was 15 years ago to buy a Kia compared to a Cadillac. The cost of Union built projects is outrages. But so are the costs to everything.

Problem is Unions only look after the Union Intrest, sometimes that intrest does not lay with the workers that it affects the most. Instead it lays with the Handfull of Union Reps and Presidents who for the most part run their Unions like any other business. Push for as much as they can at the sacrifice of the workers. Sorry seen it happen to much.
What just happened at Red Deer College is a prime example. Look it up about their layoffs and outsourcing and see if your Union served the best intrest of it's workers.

The CAW is another union that has routinly looked after so few at the sacrifice of so many. Sorry my tax dollars are better spent elsewhere.

As for Canada Post, good go on strike, stay on strike. Then when you get your 3years mat leave, 40 sick days(which must be used each year) 12weeks vacation, $30 starting wage. You can say you are proud to be part of a non effective Goverment Corperation that is fully supported by tax dollars.

eastcoast · #**214** 06-23-2011, 04:57 PM

[QUOTE=ctd;987063]Building a house non union compared to union is like what it was 15 years ago to buy a Kia compared to a Cadillac. The cost of Union built projects is outrages. But so are the costs to everything.

Problem is Unions only look after the Union Intrest, sometimes that intrest does not lay with the workers that it affects the most. Instead it lays with the Handfull of Union Reps and Presidents who for the most part run their Unions like any other business. Push for as much as they can at the sacrifice of the workers. Sorry seen it happen to much.
What just happened at Red Deer College is a prime example. Look it up about their layoffs and outsourcing and see if your Union served the best intrest of it's workers.

The CAW is another union that has routinly looked after so few at the sacrifice of so many. Sorry my tax dollars are better spent elsewhere.

As for Canada Post, good go on strike, stay on strike. Then when you get your 3years mat leave, 40 sick days(which must be used each year) 12weeks vacation, $30 starting wage. You can say you are proud to be part of a non effective Goverment Corperation that is fully supported by tax dollars.[/QUOTE]

another falacy, canada post is not supported by tax dollars, it's a crown corporation but it's self sufficient and doesn't cost the tax payers anything.

chubbdarter · #**215** 06-23-2011, 05:28 PM

did the bee's die?

great white whaler · #**216** 06-23-2011, 05:54 PM

17.50 per hour ant much this day and age ,,even a single person would have a hard time making ends meet,,then trough in a couple of children in there,,,,,,,,,border line poverty ' i say ,,,,we sure live in a jerk of society.

ctd · #**217** 06-23-2011, 06:35 PM

I didn't say CP is run from tax payer money, but if they go to far down the road they are heading they will no doubt be heavily subsidized with tax money.

The Canadian Auto industry was always heavily subsidized with tax money, yet it was hidden in grants, defence spending and such. Then what happens they loose their shirt over the economy Unions go on strike demanding better work enviroment and they have their hand out for direct handouts. No hiding the Billions in loans this time.

BeerSlayer1 · #**218** 06-23-2011, 06:42 PM

You guys are pretty funny, if you think Letter Carriers are way overpaid and their benefits are out of line then get your application in. Canada Post is hiring.

New Hunter Okotoks · #**219** 06-23-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerSlayer1

You guys are pretty funny, if you think Letter Carriers are way overpaid and their benefits are out of line then get your application in. Canada Post is hiring.

Really? There are no opportunities in Okotoks. In the city of Calgary there is a grand total of 1 (one) job posted on their website that covers all categories for employment within Canada Post. The job is for "Rural and Suburban Mail Carrier,On-Call Relief." Is that what you would consider: They are hiring; one rural position that is on call?

EDIT. I checked the website for all jobs posted in Edmonton as well. Total=0 (Zero)

elkhunter11 · #**220** 06-23-2011, 07:22 PM

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that's not what they are doing to them right now?

If it wasn't for the union conducting rotating strikes, they wouldn't be locked out. The strikes were what led to the lockout, so the union has only itself to blame for the present situation. The union tried to cause as much disruption as possible with as little lost wages as possible, but Canada Post put an end to that nonsense. The union wanted a strike, so now they have what amounts to a full blown strike.

New Hunter Okotoks · #**221** 06-23-2011, 07:37 PM

What is ultimately going to happen is a 2 or maybe 3 day/week delivery schedule. I really don't see a need to deliver mail every day to my house. This should lead to a reduction in carriers by at least 30-40 percent.

Problem solved. Cut the workforce by 30 percent and they can still keep the $25+/hour for glorified paper boys and flyer delivery.Those kids still deliver the newspapers and flyers in blizzards and rain. I would think that the homes with the vicious dogs and slippery stairs that are such a problem for posties would still pose the same problems for 12 year old kids. We just don't here about it because the kids don't complain on global news about it.

chubbdarter · #**222** 06-23-2011, 07:43 PM

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did the bee's die?

yaa they all died.....honey will cost alot this year

chubbdarter · #**223** 06-23-2011, 07:44 PM

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yaa they all died.....honey will cost alot this year

Thanks for the info Chubb....i figured they died...poor little suckers..may they rest in peace

eastcoast · #**224** 06-23-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If it wasn't for the union conducting rotating strikes, they wouldn't be locked out. The strikes were what led to the lockout, so the union has only itself to blame for the present situation. The union tried to cause as much disruption as possible with as little lost wages as possible, but Canada Post put an end to that nonsense. The union wanted a strike, so now they have what amounts to a full blown strike.

so the union with the right to strike actually went out on strike and you are blaming them for exercising their right? there was still mail being delivered when they had rotating strikes and now there is not, who is to blame for that?

elkhunter11 · #**225** 06-23-2011, 09:03 PM

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so the union with the right to strike actually went out on strike and you are blaming them for exercising their right?

I am just pointing out the fact that the union exercising their right to strike, resulted in Canada Post exercising their right to lock out the workers. There was no lockout, until after the strike was called.

eastcoast · #**226** 06-23-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I am just pointing out the fact that the union exercising their right to strike, resulted in Canada Post exercising their right to lock out the workers. There was no lockout, until after the strike was called.

that's the most nonsense I have heard all day, that's akin to someone saying if you didn't make me mad I wouldn't have hit you,the mail is not being mailed because they are locked out not because they were on a rolling strike.

LongBomber · #**227** 06-23-2011, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by eastcoast

that's the most nonsense I have heard all day, that's akin to someone saying if you didn't make me mad I wouldn't have hit you,the mail is not being mailed because they are locked out not because they were on a rolling strike.

I guess you never learned about cause and effect. Or that actions have consequences.

eastcoast · #**228** 06-23-2011, 09:45 PM

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I guess you never learned about cause and effect. Or that actions have consequences.

sure I have but you can't blame the posties for canada post locking them out, you want cause and effect? canada post didn't negotiate and the cupw went on strike,there is the cause and effect.

Kanonfodder · #**229** 06-23-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by eastcoast

sure I have but you can't blame the posties for canada post locking them out, you want cause and effect? canada post didn't negotiate and the cupw went on strike,there is the cause and effect.

Or Union had unrealistic demands that are not proportional to the current economic climate..so Canada Post stopped negotiating

eastcoast · #**230** 06-23-2011, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanonfodder

Or Union had unrealistic demands that are not proportional to the current economic climate..so Canada Post stopped negotiating

when was the last time a union just gave in and gave the corporation what they wanted? you just think the union should have rolled over and said yes sir? canada post never negotiated from the beginning and now they got the government to step in so they won't have to negotiate, in my opinion one side went about the steps they had to, to get their point across and the other side didn't.

elkhunter11 · #**231** 06-23-2011, 09:55 PM

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the mail is not being mailed because they are locked out not because they were on a rolling strike.

Actually many people were afraid that the rotating strikes would become a full blown strike, so they stopped using Canada Post. As a result, it was no longer profitable to pay the postal workers wages to deliver what was still being mailed.

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sure I have but you can't blame the posties for canada post locking them out

By the same token, you can't blame Canada Post for locking the workers out, rather than continue to operate at a loss. The rotating strike was the cause of Canada Post operating at a loss, and the lockout was the effect.

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in my opinion one side went about the steps they had to, to get their point across and the other side didn't.

I think Canada Post got their point across too.

eastcoast · #**232** 06-23-2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Actually many people were afraid that the rotating strikes would become a full blown strike, so they stopped using Canada Post. As a result, it was no longer profitable to pay the postal workers wages to deliver what was still being mailed.

By the same token, you can't blame Canada Post for locking the workers out, rather than continue to operate at a loss. The rotating strike was the cause of Canada Post operating at a loss, and the lockout was the effect.

how much were they losing under the rolling strike versus now with a lockout?

Kanonfodder · #**233** 06-23-2011, 10:03 PM

Privatize it

elkhunter11 · #**234** 06-23-2011, 10:04 PM

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how much were they losing under the rolling strike versus now with a lockout?

I guess that they just went about the steps they had to, to get their point across.

eastcoast · #**235** 06-23-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I guess that they just went about the steps they had to, to get their point across.

so no matter what happens you are going to blame the union anyways?

Kanonfodder · #**236** 06-23-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by eastcoast

when was the last time a union just gave in and gave the corporation what they wanted? you just think the union should have rolled over and said yes sir? canada post never negotiated from the beginning and now they got the government to step in so they won't have to negotiate, in my opinion one side went about the steps they had to, to get their point across and the other side didn't.

When the Union had unrealistic demands given people job sharing wage freezes and seasonal layoffs in just about every industry its about picking the right time to make demands and right time to make concessions this is the WRONG economic climate to make demands

eastcoast · #**237** 06-23-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanonfodder

When the Union had unrealistic demands given people job sharing wage freezes and seasonal layoffs in just about every industry its about picking the right time to make demands and right time to make concessions this is the WRONG economic climate to make demands

I thought canada's economy was the greatest in the g8 and all that other stuff the conservatives just said during the election campaign? can't have it both ways.

elkhunter11 · #**238** 06-23-2011, 10:17 PM

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I thought canada's economy was the greatest in the g8 and all that other stuff the conservatives just said during the election campaign? can't have it both ways.

Actually you can, if all of the other members of the G8 have even more issues with their economies than Canada, we can still be the greatest, even though our economy is still weak.

pseelk · #**239** 06-23-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanonfodder

Privatize it

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Kanonfodder · #**240** 06-23-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by eastcoast

I thought canada's economy was the greatest in the g8 and all that other stuff the conservatives just said during the election campaign? can't have it both ways.

The reason we are the best is cuz Harper didn't give into the socialist union mentality and still doesn't its called being fiscally responsible..look at every NDP run province and see what a world of hurt they are in...