Number of Guide/Outfitter Tags Issued

[jwilson]

Originally Posted by huntwat

I can't speak for all. But, I wouldn't. I don't complain about the once/ lifetime goat tag. Or the no non-res suffield tag. Or the no chance in hell trophy sheep draws.

So you have no problem waiting. Fair enough. I don't either. Eventually we'll get the opportunity.

But you hate to see someone foreign paying to shoot something every year if he/she chooses when you have to wait.

Or do you hate the outfitter for having the allocations more?

Or both equally?

It is undeniable that the foreign guy gets more opportunity, but it comes at a price. You pay taxes every year and you live here so you should be entitled as much opportunity, he pays taxes in his country as well as the hunt cost and travel cost.

Each party pays for the opportunity in some way...

I really hope most guys are content with waiting for a long draw wait instead of increasing opportunity and humans doing what humans do best. Rape and pillage until it's gone lol

[stringer]

Originally Posted by Torkdiesel

How so ?

One statement relates to the 90% resident 10 % non resident target split in each WMU

The next statement is about a 17 year wait time in one WMU

One is percentages, one is years

Resident 6%
Non-res 100%
Over 17 years
Better

[Torkdiesel]

Originally Posted by stringer

Resident 6%
Non-res 100%
Over 17 years
Better

No, that's completely wrong.

There were 11 residents who got the draw each of those 17 years

That's 187 residents

In the same time frame only 17 non-residents got to hunt that zone

So actually it was

91% resident

9% non resident

Although that same non-resident could have been the total sum of the 9%
Where any one resident could have only been .53% of the total sum of residents

[huntwat]

Originally Posted by jwilson

So you have no problem waiting. Fair enough. I don't either. Eventually we'll get the opportunity.

But you hate to see someone foreign paying to shoot something every year if he/she chooses when you have to wait. They should have no more opportunity than a res.

Or do you hate the outfitter for having the allocations more? I don't mind outfitters having allocations for species not requiring a draw

Or both equally?

It is undeniable that the foreign guy gets more opportunity, but it comes at a price. You pay taxes every year and you live here so you should be entitled as much opportunity, he pays taxes in his country as well as the hunt cost and travel cost.Its none of my business what he does in his country

Each party pays for the opportunity in some way...

I really hope most guys are content with waiting for a long draw wait instead of increasing opportunity and humans doing what humans do best. Rape and pillage until it's gone lolNot asking for more opportunity, just fair

see below, its been said several times.

Originally Posted by stringer

No.
if a resident licence is on a draw then no non-res allocations for that species.
Anything not on draw 10% goes to non-res.

[huntwat]

Originally Posted by Torkdiesel

No, that's completely wrong.

There were 11 residents who got the draw each of those 17 years

That's 187 residents

In the same time frame only 17 non-residents got to hunt that zone

So actually it was

91% resident

9% non resident

Although that same non-resident could have been the total sum of the 9%
Where any one resident could have only been .53% of the total sum of residents

You're getting it.

[stringer]

Originally Posted by Torkdiesel

No, that's completely wrong.

There were 11 residents who got the draw each of those 17 years

That's 187 residents

In the same time frame only 17 non-residents got to hunt that zone

So actually it was

91% resident

9% non resident

Although that same non-resident could have been the total sum of the 9%
Where any one resident could have only been .53% of the total sum of residents

I'm compairing one resident to one non res hunter
In a 17 year time frame the non res could hunt 100% of the time if he chose to hunt every year which he leagaly could.
A tax paying resident of Alberta in the same 17 year time frame would only be hunting 6% of the time.

[jwilson]

Originally Posted by huntwat

see below, its been said several times.

So in all fairness it's none of his business what you do here either no matter how much taxes you pay and if he wants to pay to come up every year. Power to him. I hope you can go fishing in the states or in Mexico or hunting in Africa and New Zealand (whatever the case) and have a clear conscience after what you believe is fair.

I've paid an outfitter to help me get a cougar cause I've always wanted one and I don't want to keep dogs or follow a track by myself and bark, and I've paid for Mexicans to take me fishing when I'm on vacation, I paid for the experience not the animals or fish.

[blgoodbrand1]

Originally Posted by jwilson

I've paid an outfitter to help me get a cougar cause I've always wanted one and I don't want to keep dogs or follow a track by myself and bark, .

That's gotta be the post of the day!

[huntwat]

Originally Posted by jwilson

So in all fairness it's none of his business what you do here either no matter how much taxes you pay and if he wants to pay to come up every year. Power to him. I hope you can go fishing in the states or in Mexico or hunting in Africa and New Zealand (whatever the case) and have a clear conscience after what you believe is fair. As long as their residents have at least the same opportunity it would not be hypocritical.

I've paid an outfitter to help me get a cougar cause I've always wanted one and I don't want to keep dogs or follow a track by myself and bark, and I've paid for Mexicans to take me fishing when I'm on vacation, I paid for the experience not the animals or fish.

You paid to get a cat, your own words. but I don't know if that has anything to do with the subject.
Another good start to the problem would be make all outfitter allotments available to residents.

[jwilson]

Originally Posted by blgoodbrand1

That's gotta be the post of the day!

I actually know a guy who treed a cat by running and barking like a hound.

[blgoodbrand1]

Originally Posted by jwilson

I actually know a guy who treed a cat by running and barking like a hound.

Now I would pay to watch that

[jwilson]

Originally Posted by huntwat

You paid to get a cat, your own words. but I don't know if that has anything to do with the subject.

My mistake. I paid for the use of the dogs, and killed a cat. Cat was bonus.

No matter the argument. Our views will not be the same.