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Old 06-24-2013, 09:42 PM
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Ill just go out on a limb and guess the guy that wrote the book on western water sheds ie the guy in the article who also contributed to 37 other leared folks books just might know.
Maybe you are right .. .Like all others I know the Bow is gonna be different than it was before the flood , how much remains to be seen .We seem to expect the worst and hope for the best .
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:53 PM
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Maybe you are right .. .Like all others I know the Bow is gonna be different than it was before the flood , how much remains to be seen .We seem to expect the worst and hope for the best .
I sincerly hope for the best, imo we affect change in our best interst (the fish ) thru action. As the bow flows so should alberta. I feel it is time to step back and truly look at how mans activities have affected albertas blue ribbon ( now stained and tattered). The red deer is my home water it still has wild sections and this type of spring flooding is somewhat expected. Ime the class of fishery in the wild red pales when compared with the tail water sections of the bow. I would be saddened to see the once fair bow reduced to concrete canal to protect mans folly .
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:15 PM
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Are you serious?? I know he has a huge part in watershed program in Canmore and has done endless studies on rivers( Sask and Alberta)

I find it more funny that you choose to attack his knowledge bc he is professor in Sask... Just made yourself lok more ignorant than anything

I'd trust an ecologist from a local university, both UofA and UofC have ecological studies on fisheries in Alberta. BC has done more research on fisheries than anyone else. The fact that he did studies outside his province shows he couldn't get the data from his region. At least he's trying.

Yes, I'm ignorant, but so is everyone else. If you want to be taken seriously, you should at least live/teach near the place you're researching.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:18 PM
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You know,I'm getting a little tired of these 1 in 100 year or never before seen floods that seem to happen every other year .The last big flood they talked about lasted 40 days and nights.Now that caused some change! Sure it is a big flood , sure there will be changes , but there always is change , that's what makes it Alberta .
When was there a flood that lasted that long other than the myth in the bible?
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:19 PM
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I'd trust an ecologist from a local university, both UofA and UofC have ecological studies on fisheries in Alberta. BC has done more research on fisheries than anyone else. The fact that he did studies outside his province shows he couldn't get the data from his region. At least he's trying.

Yes, I'm ignorant, but so is everyone else. If you want to be taken seriously, you should at least live/teach near the place you're researching.
Theres more water in 10% of sask than all of alberta. so an expert in watersheds may just teach in the province with lots of watersheds as opposed to the province with 7.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:23 PM
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Theres more water in 10% of sask than all of alberta. so an expert in watersheds may just teach in the province with lots of watersheds as opposed to the province with 7.
Doesn't mean anything if the watershed's completely different. May as well get someone from Brazil, they have water too and many more floods than Saks or Alberta.
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Oh did bean town take a kikn . Bahagah west is best.
Ok now please point out the tributary streams feeding the bow you suggest the trout have taken refuge in cause as best I can find some of the bow tributary streams are in worse state than the bow .
Sorry bro.....wuz buzy fillin my cryin towel.

Im ready for action.

I cant give you a map....but there are several side feeds for the fish to seek shelter.

How do I know????
I know because when the river gets high and muddy....I know where they are at.....I've seen em there.

Not much more I can add.....the Bow has many many side streams and demz da facts braddah......at least in my area of the Bow.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:37 PM
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Sorry bro.....wuz buzy fillin my cryin towel.

Im ready for action.

I cant give you a map....but there are several side feeds for the fish to seek shelter.

How do I know????
I know because when the river gets high and muddy....I know where they are at.....I've seen em there.

Not much more I can add.....the Bow has many many side streams and demz da facts braddah......at least in my area of the Bow.
This is not high and muddy this is your little feeder creek being absorbed by the main channel of the bow ie the little canal that flows thru the park to the west of the man made rapids is under 10' of the main bow flow. I think you will find many normal high water refuges in this state.the braided section above makinnon flats , riverbend park section all under the main flow with no refuge going on five days.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:38 PM
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Doesn't mean anything if the watershed's completely different. May as well get someone from Brazil, they have water too and many more floods than Saks or Alberta.
Read the link spec 55posted . Then get back to us.
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This is not high and muddy this is your little feeder creek being absorbed by the main channel of the bow ie the little canal that flows thru the park to the west of the man made rapids is under 10' of the main bow flow. I think you will find many normal high water refuges in this state.the braided section above makinnon flats , riverbend park section all under the main flow with no refuge going on five days.
I cant give a deadly accurate comment.....but lets hope our lil fishy's survive to the best of their instinctual ability

Im sure we can agree on this.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:47 PM
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Sorry bro.....wuz buzy fillin my cryin towel.

Im ready for action.

I cant give you a map....but there are several side feeds for the fish to seek shelter.

How do I know????
I know because when the river gets high and muddy....I know where they are at.....I've seen em there.

Not much more I can add.....the Bow has many many side streams and demz da facts braddah......at least in my area of the Bow.
geez

you dont fish the storm water outflows with a $4000 wood fly rod do you?
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:48 PM
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Maybe we will have a world class walleye fishery on the Bow.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:51 PM
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Some fish took refuge in storm sewers only to pop out in gutters later. however, the lower lower Bow down Waynes way is going to have an interesting mix of fish soon.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:56 PM
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I cant give a deadly accurate comment.....but lets hope our lil fishy's survive to the best of their instinctual ability

Im sure we can agree on this.
Wait a minute, your the bow guy. I fish it half doz times a year and I can pinpoint refuges in the sections I fish. So come on fess up or yer talkn out the wrong end cause ya aint foolin me bra.lol bean town beat down lololol.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:57 PM
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Some fish took refuge in storm sewers only to pop out in gutters later. however, the lower lower Bow down Waynes way is going to have an interesting mix of fish soon.
Them infernal fish geeks and there big pond gettn restocked.... again .
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:24 PM
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you dont fish the storm water outflows with a $4000 wood fly rod do you?
It's $2000 man

But seriously....You gotta Bee smart enough to know that not all the waterways are violent.

Please tell me you understand this?????!!!!
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:29 PM
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Wait a minute, your the bow guy. I fish it half doz times a year and I can pinpoint refuges in the sections I fish. So come on fess up or yer talkn out the wrong end cause ya aint foolin me bra.lol bean town beat down lololol.
Not all the water is a violent flood.....and our lil fishy friends will seek and find it.

Its instinctual man.....you gotta see dat????

I'm goin down tomorrow and take pics to prove it.....and I'll provide a map.

Someone lend me an underwater camera
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:37 PM
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It's $2000 man

But seriously....You gotta Bee smart enough to know that not all the waterways are violent.

Please tell me you understand this?????!!!!
From reports ive seen every watershed from the oldman /highwood north to the most southern of the north sask basin at some time in the last five days has expirenced a much higher than normal spring freshet . Some lasting many days, bow basin, red deer west of the blind man . Highwood, sheep im sorry guy im running out of any significant refuge south of red deer. Not saying theres none just not enough to protect a watersheds populatin of breeding fish .
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:37 PM
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From all the violent floods that I have seen over the years (the james was flooded really bad in 2005 for an example) a lot of the silt that built up over the years of slower flow were washed onto the banks and the river was left with a rocky bottom. The runs changed significantly, pools shifted, some places got deeper, others got shallower, some got wider, some got shallower, the only thing we can be certain of is it will change, I suspect it will be worse fishing for the next couple years and then the fish recovery will be more apparent and the population will be more balanced, we will lose younger fish, weaker fish, and trapped fish now but the trout will rebound back.
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:42 PM
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One concern I have though is of a tributary creek off the oldman where many of the bulls spawn apparently (or so I read). There had been logging fairly close to the creek and this could cause runoff that could really hurt that spawning location because of erosion.
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Look on the bright side car burn got restocked and now we can have a world class pond
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Read the link spec 55posted . Then get back to us.
Yes, he may be a specialist in hydrology, which is different from ecology, he primarily studies water not ecosystems. So yes, someone from a local ecology department would be far more suited to talk about ecosystems than someone that talks about water patterns, movement and distribution etc.

My ignorance is good in this case, he's not an ecologist. Well, a little bit.
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Maybe we will have a world class walleye fishery on the Bow.
we already do
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This thread has turned into a train wreck ........... I can't seem to look away ...... despite the horror.

I'm sure there will be some short term impact to trout and other vulnerable species, however, the river will change, and it will rebound.

I am certain there are several tributaries where fish found refuge and will remain until water levels and conditions begin to stabilize.
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Ok, bow it will be fine guys . Looked at the map the first feeder stream that would appear to hold refuge below the man made wier on the bow river is the highwood. So again where are these fish finding refuge that will allow them free acces to return to the main bow channel. Cause I truthfully cant find it . So on top of the evidence suggested by one of the foremost authority's in western canada its not looking good . Now other than mgt and my self takeing the odd poke wheres the train wreck and this magic spot for the thousand of trout per kilometer in the lower bow. Every ones saying but no one has an answer.
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Dont stop till the bodies drop!

Uh wouldn't the first 'refuge' be Fish Creek?

I'm sure we can expect significant mortality and displacement.

But hey, all that nasty didymo should be in SK by now.
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Ok, bow it will be fine guys . Looked at the map the first feeder stream that would appear to hold refuge below the man made wier on the bow river is the highwood. So again where are these fish finding refuge that will allow them free acces to return to the main bow channel. Cause I truthfully cant find it . So on top of the evidence suggested by one of the foremost authority's in western canada its not looking good . Now other than mgt and my self takeing the odd poke wheres the train wreck and this magic spot for the thousand of trout per kilometer in the lower bow. Every ones saying but no one has an answer.
I got off work early and was gonna head down to the river and take pics of where I would think the our fishes could take refuge.....but man o man traffic is heavy. So maybe tomorrow......my worksite is South of Calgary tomorrow....so I'll make a point to stop and check the conditions....if I can get near it.
But the areas Im thinking of are from the Southlands area to the Fish creek areas.
There are several off shoots and tributaries and channel ways (where the pike normally hang out). I would imagine that they are heavily swollen but not violently running?????? Not sure for sure.
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Ok, bow it will be fine guys . Looked at the map the first feeder stream that would appear to hold refuge below the man made wier on the bow river is the highwood. So again where are these fish finding refuge that will allow them free acces to return to the main bow channel. Cause I truthfully cant find it . So on top of the evidence suggested by one of the foremost authority's in western canada its not looking good . Now other than mgt and my self takeing the odd poke wheres the train wreck and this magic spot for the thousand of trout per kilometer in the lower bow. Every ones saying but no one has an answer.
oddly enough the bits of refuge a fish could hunker down in is high ground,, sadly when the water recedes, those fish are going to die in little sloughs. Entering the Highwood from the Bow would be brutal for a fish as that has the added volume from the Sheep,, that would be like entering a corridor from hell. At Carseland, there are the irrigation canal gates but I believe they have been all shut for the flood.

It's one thing to swim about a relatively clear, high, river but it's another if the river is very high chocolate milk with whole trees and boulders rolling about as if weightless.

Besides storm sewers, I'm not sure where mountain giant is thinking.
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Dont stop till the bodies drop!

Uh wouldn't the first 'refuge' be Fish Creek?

I'm sure we can expect significant mortality and displacement.

But hey, all that nasty didymo should be in SK by now.
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I got off work early and was gonna head down to the river and take pics of where I would think the our fishes could take refuge.....but man o man traffic is heavy. So maybe tomorrow......my worksite is South of Calgary tomorrow....so I'll make a point to stop and check the conditions....if I can get near it.
But the areas Im thinking of are from the Southlands area to the Fish creek areas.
There are several off shoots and tributaries and channel ways (where the pike normally hang out). I would imagine that they are heavily swollen but not violently running?????? Not sure for sure.


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