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So masks are mandatory in Edmonton but not Spruce Grove, St Albert, Sherwood Park or Leduc? Well I know where I'll be spending my time and money.....
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You just nailed the Urban dictionary definition. Period.
Virtue Signalling:
'Vir-chu _ Sig-nahl-ing'
-"To take a conspicuous and often useless action ostensibly to support a good cause, but actually to show off how much more moral you are than everybody else."
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Hilarious.
I'm against mandating that masks need to be worn. However our work place is a public place, and I will concede to wearing a mask, when outside of my office. I will concede when I go grocery shopping, or when out in public place that is contained by walls and a roof. Not because I want to, but because I have to or I face being fined.
By doing so I won't be helping our local economy, as I will not be going out , I won't go to a restaurant, or a pub for a meal (even though I can do so wearing a mask and remove it to eat or drink...makes no sense at all). I will stay home and mind my own business. Kinda like I usually do during the week.
When the nights are cold and the days are getting short, I'll travel to the west country and hope that all the fair weather idiots are back in the city.
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Can you be 'honest to a fault' and please provide:
A typical daily outing with your mask..Wanting to know, how many times a new mask is fitted per 30mins, or
are you secretly lazy using one filthy, bacteria petri dish all dang day, spreading covid & gawd knows what
else more so? Your hand washing style per newly applied mask? How much fiddling/touching mask per 15mins,
then touching car handle/steering wheel, cell phone, etc, then back to mask, then entering each store/while in
store, etc?
Want to know what I suspect? That the "mask wearer's" only appear more desirable 'visually',
but in actuality, are "much" filthier than the unmasked.
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You seem to be implying that wearing masks is useless. If that is the case, please cite your sources. Everyone who doesn't like being asked to wear a mask is trying to say there is no reason to do so. I'd like one of you to provide a link to some primary sources for your beliefs.
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It is is useless. Google doesnt search and post criteria based on its scientific authority. It does it by if they are paid tonpost it first or if they (Google) prioritizes it.
There are maaaany doctors and scientists that conflict in this. Funny that countries like Sweden, Netherlands, etc have allowed unpoliticized professionals to influence their decisions and......look at what they are doing and saying.
But none. Not even your previously unreviewed white paper posts, state a cloth mask or N95 make is effective with extended daily use. Thats the facts. Google it.
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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish
Most places were shutdown during that time and people were staying home. I didnt wear a mask at home, dont think many did .
Now they are opening things up and asking people to wear masks.
Appears to be to much to ask of fellow Albertans.
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Before things opened up, I went to my usual grocery stores, my usual hardware and supply stores, drug stores etc that I do now. The only different inside places that I go since the reopening, is the barber once per month or so, the dentist every six months, and the gym, which is exempt from masks. So really, exposure for me has changed very little, except for the gym which is exempt from masks. And now with the numbers down to where things are getting back to normal, politicians, not physicians or health professionals, have decided that masks should be mandatory. I will respond by doing what many other people will do, which is doing my shopping and spending my money in locations where the medical professionals, and not the politicians are making health restrictions. Now if the actual doctors and health professionals, rather than socialist politicians decide that masks are necessary, that is an entirely different situation.
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5. Seasonal flu in 2018/19 season(9 month duration) killed 52 Albertans. There were 7698 hospital diagnosed cases, 1976 people hospitalized, and 228 ICU admissions. At no point was the public instructed to wear masks and there seems to be no discussion about whether this is a requirement going forward.
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52 Albertans in nine months.
It was announced today that 21 have passed due to Covid in one facility in Edmonton in two months.
But hey, they’re just old people so they don’t count, right?
I know a couple of people who work at Shepard’s Care facilities... they’ve had outbreaks of the flu in the past and the mortality rate is nothing like this... so that puts to rest the argument that these people would die if they caught the flu or a cold.
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Can you be 'honest to a fault' and please provide:
A typical daily outing with your mask..Wanting to know, how many times a new mask is fitted per 30mins, or
are you secretly lazy using one filthy, bacteria petri dish all dang day, spreading covid & gawd knows what
else more so? Your hand washing style per newly applied mask? How much fiddling/touching mask per 15mins,
then touching car handle/steering wheel, cell phone, etc, then back to mask, then entering each store/while in
store, etc?
Want to know what I suspect? That the "mask wearer's" only appear more desirable 'visually',
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So you are questioning my personal hygiene now, great. That’s a new low , but I’ll bite. I don’t go out to the stores often but when I do I have a couple of masks in the vehicle , I use hand sanitizer before and after I go into a store or fill up with gas etc . I use hand sanitizer if I handle anything in a public place
How about you.
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I just wrote the mayor and told him I would wear a mask while at work. I also told him that I will be taking my business and entertainment dollars out of the city.
I usually go to my neighbourhood pub two to three nights a week for wings. Not a huge expenditure, but tonight will be my last night until masks are not mandatory in Edmonton. I will have a chat with the owner who I know is struggling and explain to him why. I will ask him to contact the mayor as well. I will do my grocery shopping in St. Albert or Sherwood park as one in close to work and the other close to home.
This decision my Mayor Donnydogood, and his band will have an effect on the local economy as we do have options. At least I do, and I will use them.
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07-30-2020, 03:51 PM
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If everyone was already doing what they should.
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That's very true. Unfortunately common sense isn't that common.....
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I think that a larger percentage of people that are so vehemently against wearing a mask while in public spaces are likely the same people that still think this is just a bad flue and is not going to affect them personally because they are either (in their own minds) fit or young or in some other way magically immune to death by a thousand cuts.
Likely the same mentality that tells them it’s no problem to go to the beach at Sylvan or Wabamun because ,hey the odds are in their favour so giver.
To the rest of us , they pose the most danger because if the mask is such an infringement, the other precautions are as as well.
They justify their actions in their own minds by thinking it’s somehow an infringement on their rights ,and those who do follow the guidelines are doing so because they are weak minded ,weak bodied and afraid of death.. sheeple is a popular term .
Wear the damn mask and get over yourself I say. It’s not that hard to do, nobody is going to make fun of you or think your weak. Nobody is going to ask you to turn in your man card if you put others safety ahead of your own.
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Just because a person disagrees with your assessment of the risks and chooses not to wear a mask doesn't make them wrong, doesn't make them ignorant, doesn't make them careless, doesn't make them egomaniacs, and certainly doesn't make them bad people. It's a completely logical and tenable position given the statistics and the lack of any kind of consensus on their effectiveness or the need for the mandatory use of masks from medical professionals and health care officials.
IMHO, it's those wanting to impose their will on everyone else that need to get over themselves. Quit thinking you know what's best for your neighbor, and look out for yourself.
So, wear your mask if you want to, it’s not that hard to do, nobody is going to make fun of you or think you're weak. Nobody is going to ask you to turn in your man card if you believe that people wearing masks is good for your own safety and/or the safety of others.
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So you are questioning my personal hygiene now, great. That’s a new low , but I’ll bite. I don’t go out to the stores often but when I do I have a couple of masks in the vehicle , I use hand sanitizer before and after I go into a store or fill up with gas etc . I use hand sanitizer if I handle anything in a public place
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My my, how fast we brushed over the "I have couple of masks in vech" part..tell how long you have been using
these couple masks, how many times a day are they being used BEFORE disposal, or have you
been using them secretly for 2-3weeks?
So far I have been doing everything your doing except for the mask wearing ritual thing..
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It is is useless. Google doesnt search and post criteria based on its scientific authority. It does it by if they are paid tonpost it first or if they (Google) prioritizes it.
There are maaaany doctors and scientists that conflict in this. Funny that countries like Sweden, Netherlands, etc have allowed unpoliticized professionals to influence their decisions and......look at what they are doing and saying.
But none. Not even your previously unreviewed white paper posts, state a cloth mask or N95 make is effective with extended daily use. Thats the facts. Google it.
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Google is a wonderful tool if you know how to use it. You might want to have a quick look through this document and click on any of the highlighted links to their supporting documents. I understand that you are a little sensitive of big government telling you what to do, but don't think for a minute that science is on your side.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/41...-masks-prevent
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A few questions for the no wearers:
1 dr Henshaw just started today that masks are an important part of protection ..... why would she say this? Should she Blink twice if she’s being held hostage by the socialist government.??
2. Is the UPC government socialist?? Is it massively wasting our tax dollars on purchasing free masks for Albertans? Are McDonalds, A&W and (dare I say it) Tim’s all in league with this socialist agenda??
Who are the ‘Berta leaders that are in league with this Bill Gatetz led global communist cabal..?
And..... I gotta know.... WHY would our Alberta provincial and municipal leaders do this to us...? What’s the rights infringing end game goal here.....?
Please....?
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".. I understand that you are a little sensitive of big government telling you what to do,
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"The "bumblebee argument", in pseudoscience, states that the laws of aerodynamics prove that the bumblebee
can't fly, as it does not have the required capacity (in terms of wing area or flapping speed). Consequently,
therefore, science can be shown to be in error, providing a loophole for pseudoscientific "explanations."
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Check out one of the oldest scientific organizations in the world... the Royal Society
Their motto is
Nullius_in_verba
Then you’ll get a clearer understanding of how people science....
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Science:
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"The "bumblebee argument", in pseudoscience, states that the laws of aerodynamics prove that the bumblebee
can't fly, as it does not have the required capacity (in terms of wing area or flapping speed). Consequently,
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I kinda figured you might be the anti science type.......
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Tri777
Check out one of the oldest scientific organizations in the world... the Royal Society
Their motto is
Nullius_in_verba
Then you’ll get a clearer understanding of how people science....
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Hence you have to prove your theory......
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I kinda figured you might be the anti science type.......
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Not anti science, just don't fall for many of it's iron clad predictions/statements that a good bulk of others do.
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Even then Scott...... that might not make it an immutable truth
As I posted before.... scientific truth really amounts to only
‘ most of us think that this answer is the most reliable one at this time’
We citizens want black/white infallible immutable truths and conclusions......
Science don’t work that way.
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A few questions for the no wearers:
1 dr Henshaw just started today that masks are an important part of protection ..... why would she say this? Should she Blink twice if she’s being held hostage by the socialist government.??
2. Is the UPC government socialist?? Is it massively wasting our tax dollars on purchasing free masks for Albertans? Are McDonalds, A&W and (dare I say it) Tim’s all in league with this socialist agenda??
Who are the ‘Berta leaders that are in league with this Bill Gatetz led global communist cabal..?
And..... I gotta know.... WHY would our Alberta provincial and municipal leaders do this to us...? What’s the rights infringing end game goal here.....?
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The real question, is if the top provincial doctors really feel that masks are essential, why didn't the province make masks mandatory? If the UPC government was a socialist and virtue signaling as the Edmonton and Calgary councils and mayors, they would have made madks mandatory province wide.
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There are maaaany doctors and scientists that conflict in this.
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However, you do not seem to be able to provide any citations of primary documents that do not support mask wearing.
The way that Google prioritizes its searches does not change the fact that JAMA, BMJ, Lancet, National Institute of Health, and other reputable journals are publishing articles that support mask wearing.
You can criticize my references all you like but the fact remains that all the recent research you can find supports wearing masks.
If I am wrong, please prove it instead of just repeating the fact that you don't like what I'm saying.
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By doing so I won't be helping our local economy, as I will not be going out , I won't go to a restaurant, or a pub for a meal (even though I can do so wearing a mask and remove it to eat or drink...makes no sense at all).
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Wearing a mask to go for food and drinks in a Restaurant is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard of. You’re right, it absolutely makes zero sense...
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Before things opened up, I went to my usual grocery stores, my usual hardware and supply stores, drug stores etc that I do now. The only different inside places that I go since the reopening, is the barber once per month or so, the dentist every six months, and the gym, which is exempt from masks. So really, exposure for me has changed very little, except for the gym which is exempt from masks. And now with the numbers down to where things are getting back to normal, politicians, not physicians or health professionals, have decided that masks should be mandatory. I will respond by doing what many other people will do, which is doing my shopping and spending my money in locations where the medical professionals, and not the politicians are making health restrictions. Now if the actual doctors and health professionals, rather than socialist politicians decide that masks are necessary, that is an entirely different situation.
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sweet god elk who do you think advises the politicians.....they take things into consideration...want to open up the economy more so but want to implement more precautions.
either way whoever dig their heels in and has little tantrums this is happening....
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Even then Scott...... that might not make it an immutable truth
As I posted before.... scientific truth really amounts to only
‘ most of us think that this answer is the most reliable one at this time’
We citizens want black/white infallible immutable truths and conclusions......
Science don’t work that way.
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especially when it comes to women
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2. Is the UPC government socialist?? Is it massively wasting our tax dollars on purchasing free masks for Albertans? Are McDonalds, A&W and (dare I say it) Tim’s all in league with this socialist agenda?
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Nothing to do with masks, and long before COVID, I felt that A&W definitely has a socialist agenda. I refer to their locations as SJ&W.
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A few questions for the no wearers:
1 dr Henshaw just started today that masks are an important part of protection ..... why would she say this? Should she Blink twice if she’s being held hostage by the socialist government.??
2. Is the UPC government socialist?? Is it massively wasting our tax dollars on purchasing free masks for Albertans? Are McDonalds, A&W and (dare I say it) Tim’s all in league with this socialist agenda??
Who are the ‘Berta leaders that are in league with this Bill Gatetz led global communist cabal..?
And..... I gotta know.... WHY would our Alberta provincial and municipal leaders do this to us...? What’s the rights infringing end game goal here.....?
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1. Nope. I think she's answering to the best of her knowledge. I also tend to agree with her, and I wear one when I view the risk as being high. Don't confuse/conflate her statement that masks can be an important part of protection with her stating they should be mandatory. She has NOT stated that, and they are not one and the same concept.
2. Yep. All political parties in Canada are a little socialist lol. Do I think the gov't is wasting some money? Yep, I do, I'm not sure there should be an endless supply of 100% free masks, but I'm OK with the gov't working and spending money to ensure all of those that choose to wear a mask are able to get one. In the case of McDonalds, A&W, Timmies, etc..., call me cynical, but I think there's a lot more to it than the goodness of their hearts. I think they'd give away just about anything if they thought it would calm the public's fears and keep them profitable.
As for the "end game", I think it's in large part just that, a game. To be clear, I do believe that the health and welfare of Albertans is their main goal, but cynical me also believes there's a BIG dose of virtue signalling and the fear of the SJW crowd at play too. Nenshi in particular dances to the beat of those drums.
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Exactly. There is a lot of pseudoscience such as the nonsense about bumblebees. It's too bad that people will make up stories like this in order to attack science. And that people who read that scientists say that bumblebees can't fly just believe it without checking any further.
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sweet god elk who do you think advises the politicians.....they take things into consideration...want to open up the economy more so but want to implement more precautions.
either way whoever dig their heels in and has little tantrums this is happening....
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In the case of the Edmonton and Calgary mayors, I often wonder of they listen to anyone else. Both seem as clueless as our PM.
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You seem to be implying that wearing masks is useless. If that is the case, please cite your sources. Everyone who doesn't like being asked to wear a mask is trying to say there is no reason to do so. I'd like one of you to provide a link to some primary sources for your beliefs.
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I was implying that, and now I'll say nice and clear. They are useless when used by the public and may do more harm than good for the average person.
I don't need to site articles written by nobodies, I just watch people.
The average person touches their face over 20 times per hour. I've watched people wearing masks exceed that number in 5 minutes. They constantly adjust it, move it, wipe the steamy sweat from under their eyes. It's constant.
Also, every worthy article I've read states that the best defence against this particular virus is physical distancing a minimum 6f. from other people, washing your hands often and properly, and staying home if you have symptoms.
All masks are going to do is make people think they are invincible and likely cause someone to touch their face with infected hands.
Remember, medical masks only stop you from spreading it, they do very little in the way of stopping you from getting it.
You want a really, really good example as to why they're useless for Joe Public? No problem.
Look at the Misericordia Hospital. Full of excellent staff, all professionally and extensively trained on how to prevent the spread of this virus. They have access to all the proper PPE and know how to use it.
They also managed to get infected and spread it to a total of 32 people on 2 separate floors while practicing the very best methods of protection.
Now you're going to profess to me that some schmuck with a face covering that his granny crocheted for him is saving the world?
Here's another example. My neighbour was the most cautious person I know. He did not leave the house for half of March and all of April, nor did he allow his family to leave. After that period, when he did go out, he would wear a mask and gloves. You know what else? He's the only person I know that has had Covid. He doesn't even know where he got it from, but a month ago he got sick for a few days and tested positive.
All this is going to do is make some of you comfortable with going outside again via a false sense of security.
I maintain, keep your distance from people, wash your hands often, try not to touch your face, stay home if your sick, and wear a mask if it makes you feel better.
That's where this lunacy should have ended, but no.
Remember at the beginning of this when the only thing we were trying to do was not overwhelm the hospitals?...I really miss those days.
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Nothing to do with masks, and long before COVID, I felt that A&W definitely has a socialist agenda. I refer to their locations as SJ&W.
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I’ll agree with you on the A&W point.
Beyond meat is beyond reason by my estimate.
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Thanks, I think u and I are almost on the same page n stuff
I didn’t try to confuse dr Henshaws recommendation with mandatory wearing endorsement...... but the logic here from her is..... it helps... so we should all do it.... perhaps we all should...? Where there is no possibility of 2m distancing?
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