Jim Shockey Speaks on BC Grizzly Bear Ban

[bowhunter9841]

I have a different opinion than many of you. Why should we have to hide what we are passionate about? Why is it ok for Tom to post a picture of his steak from the Keg, but it’s not ok for me to post a tasteful picture of my fair chase, legally killed game animal?? We as hunter’s are a minority in today’s society, and I think we should be standing up, and fighting for our rights! Other minorities can do it, why can’t we?

Too many times we have to deal with people who ridicule us for our love of the outdoors and our hunting lifestyle. We spend a lot of time and money, trying to provide clean, healthy meat for our families. We work hard in an age of electronics, to pass down long forgotten (by many) traditions to our children. We should be allowed to be proud of that, and post pictures of it. I Think that the people who ridicule us, should be ashamed of themselves for allowing our current generation to get so disconnected from our cultural past, that a picture of a dead animal offends them. As a result of my opinion, I will continue to post tasteful pictures of my animals. I’m not tucking my tail and running. That’s when they Win!

[Hillbilly 12]

Originally Posted by lead chucker

Social media will truly be the death of us all

X2!, l share pics with close friends and family. All this social media is just for bragging about what they bought or did. Like who cares if you got a new truck. A crazy amount of stupid things would not take place if social media wasn't there to post it. Makes me sick when guys shoot animals then run and post it and they aren't even skinned yet, maybe forget the screen and focus on the hunt and the animal, and keep it between you and the animal, not brag the whole world. I'm not saying to hide what we love, just have some class, people are lacking something , they just need to be constantly noticed or something.

[Sigg]

Put me in the camp of social media also being the death of hunting or at least more lost opportunities.

Are you little girls in need of that much attention?

[huntinstuff]

Socially unacceptable

Ladies and Gentlemen,

When our elected people start telling us what is socially acceptable for one race, while allowing it for another, we are headed towards becoming one of “those” countries we read about in the World News articles.

Natives can. You whites and blacks and others cannot. Think about that one.

I believe the BC government slapped Natives in the face with that. The less intelligent will see it as a hooray for me moment. The most insightful ones will see it as a pandering insult. But, in the climate of “all about me” it’s likely even those more intelligent special citizens will say nothing due to the fact they support being special in one form or another. Take all the little perks as they come. Maybe some won’t. Who really knows

This is bigger than hunting. It is making a certain Ethnic people more important than another. That’s the kill shot. That’s where problems start. The government will stand back and say “we value the tradition of Natives to do this” but, at the same time, don’t forget to boil your water cause it’s not safe to drink, and try to keep your majority attendance in federal institutions at a lower level, and we apologize AGAIN for your upbringing in res schools etc etc etc.

How have we, as a supposed progressive society, fallen so far as to fail to care for our citizens equally. To truly believe that a Canadian is a Canadian, regardless of skin color or where they lived last year. It’s Orwellian.

Jim is right. 15,000 bears. 250 killed by hunters. The balance are eating the ungulates at an unsustainable rate.

Those people who say that man shouldn’t try to manage nature (animals) have to realize something critical. MAN IS and always will be a part of nature. WE owe it to wild animals to use our science and management skill set to best balance nature. We have to. Man encroaches on habitat for many reasons. We have to. People need places to live, to scout, to explore, to manage. We aren’t going anywhere. Man is here to stay. And mankind wants to ensure the animals stay too. No one wants anything to become extinct. So we use our best methods to do this.

Banning a hunt that results in 250 bears killed per year is going in the opposite direction. 250x34 ungulates is 8500

Citing the urbanites as the problem is mostly correct. Many urban dwellers are hunters. Keep that in mind. But it is very true that there is a frustrating number of urbanites that simply have no idea. In kind, there are many rural dwellers that aren’t very well educated with this dilemma either. They don’t have to be if, just for a minute, they took into consideration that their point of view is just that; theirs. It is not fact. It is an opinion.

Game management is what hunters do. Game management is what some non hunters support.

Anti hunters want the world to end hunting, let nature take care of itself.

Well, that will work once every human is gone. Until that day, we have to manage our wildlife. Some by restriction, some by hunting, some by cull and sometimes us hunters run to the shorelines to wash ducks and muskrats and other birds with Dawn soap to save their lives.

Man is here and a vital part of nature. That will not change. Keeping our politicians and special interest groups and non-science charlatans in check must change. They are detrimental to our wildlife, our planet and our ability to strive for equality and respect for each other.

[CF8889]

Originally Posted by bowhunter9841

I have a different opinion than many of you. Why should we have to hide what we are passionate about? Why is it ok for Tom to post a picture of his steak from the Keg, but it’s not ok for me to post a tasteful picture of my fair chase, legally killed game animal?? We as hunter’s are a minority in today’s society, and I think we should be standing up, and fighting for our rights! Other minorities can do it, why can’t we?

Too many times we have to deal with people who ridicule us for our love of the outdoors and our hunting lifestyle. We spend a lot of time and money, trying to provide clean, healthy meat for our families. We work hard in an age of electronics, to pass down long forgotten (by many) traditions to our children. We should be allowed to be proud of that, and post pictures of it. I Think that the people who ridicule us, should be ashamed of themselves for allowing our current generation to get so disconnected from our cultural past, that a picture of a dead animal offends them. As a result of my opinion, I will continue to post tasteful pictures of my animals. I’m not tucking my tail and running. That’s when they Win!

There is a reason The Keg doesn't post photos of cows being butchered and bleeding. They want to stay in buisness...

Like it or not. People in North America are hypocrites, judgemental, keyboard warriors who follow trends they are uneducated on. If you wanna stick around, you've gotta play the game. The Keg's social media is a perfect example. It's not photos of dead cows or pools of blood. It's tasty steaks and couples enjoying a beer on a friday night.

I post photos of every hunt on instagram. Some are of the mountains...a campfire...my friends and I...at home cooking wild meat... everything about the hunt except for the actual dead animal. None of my non hunter friends want to see that. As it stands, I have some vegans who follow my account. They routinely "like" my hunting photos and comment positive things. The best compliment I got after my trip to fly fish for salmon was from a vegan who lives in Vancouver. It's opened up dialogue and I have had some good conversations with people who don't know much about hunting beyond what they see online. I like to think I've changed a few minds (infact, I know I have).

Hunting is a beautiful thing. But the world sees it the way we portray it. If we spent more time showing ourselves enjoying nature, taking part in wildlife conservation, and sharing our wild meat with others... the world would think differently. But hunters are a stubborn bunch. We will refuse to change. And social media will be our downfall. All so a bunch of people who don't care, can see photos of us with dead animals.

[possum]

Originally Posted by bowhunter9841

We as hunter’s are a minority in today’s society, and I think we should be standing up, and fighting for our rights! Other minorities can do it, why can’t we ?

!

Yes we are a minority, and we should be standing together...... But to answer your question about why we can't do it like the other minorities all you have to do is look through this forum and see all of the Bashing and Name Calling and other BS.
The antis don't need to tear us down we do the job for them and until hunters understand how stupid they are, we will be conquered because we have already divided ourselves.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Chukar Hunter

I agree with some of the comments in that we should not be posting stuff on social media. Besides stroking one's ego, It does nothing but add an extra nail to the coffin to shut down hunting in our life time. Just text the picture to the buddies you are close with. Why post online?

We as hunters have to realize that times have changed and we are walking on egg shells where every wanker out there has access to social media and one way or another and pictures and stories will surface.

Yours in good hunt'n,

CH

Then we need to get rid of hunting forums, hunting shows, hunting magazines.....

[CF8889]

Originally Posted by chuck

Then we need to get rid of hunting forums, hunting shows, hunting magazines.....

The average person isn't going to spend time buying/searching for those things. However, photos on Facebook are going to show up in peoples news feeds. And it's real easy to reblog.

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by chuck

Then we need to get rid of hunting forums, hunting shows, hunting magazines.....

Agreed

Social media including tv is flooded with sensationalizing murder mysteries, interventions, psychics, psychos, teen pregnancy, sex changes/gender reassignment/, trailer park boys, 600 lb life, 90 day fiancés, people shooting people, people eating people, and killing hookers with cars in video games.....

and some are offended seeing a dead animal.......?....

I think WE give the antis more attention than they deserve

Everyone should be doing what I’m doing.
Sitting on the couch, having a drink and waiting for AJ Styles to hit someone over the head with a steel chair on WWE Smackdown!

[bowhunter9841]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Agreed

Social media including tv is flooded with sensationalizing murder mysteries, interventions, psychics, psychos, teen pregnancy, sex changes/gender reassignment/, trailer park boys, 600 lb life, 90 day fiancés, people shooting people, people eating people, and killing hookers with cars in video games.....

and some are offended seeing a dead animal.......?....

I think WE give the antis more attention than they deserve

Everyone should be doing what I’m doing.
Sitting on the couch, having a drink and waiting for AJ Styles to hit someone over the head with a steel chair on WWE Smackdown!

I wish we had a “LIKE” button on this forum!!

[JD848]

Originally Posted by Goncutn

I'm sorry but I'm not buying into all the ***** talk about not posting your kills on the web, first off, we have had hunting magazines for decades and they STILL show pictures of kills and these magazines are available where all the liberals and socialist pass by, when will they stop that publishing? Secondly, when you stop doing what you believe is your right to show you LEGAL kill on the net then you are the problem !! I will in no way give up to the antis or the leftist because they had their feelings hurt by the posting of a LEGAL kill. And to all you that think I,m wrong, (which several of the continual posters on this site) you have your opinion and I have mine.

How many anti hunters buy big buck magazines or the new firearms and optics for 2018 .So I pass by the vogue mags ,but never read one yet.

Plus there are many anti's online telling us to post our stuff to load up to take us down,not all.but there out there.

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by bowhunter9841

I wish we had a “LIKE” button on this forum!!

Spoiler alert

Styles gave him a DDT instead.

I’d have used the chair but........

[ditch donkey]

I don’t think the BC NDP decision today end the grizzly hunt has anything to do with killing grizzlies being, “socially unacceptable.” I think it has everything to do with the Green Party, prior then their merger with the NDP.

NDP- If our parties merge, we can boot the liberals out, and I can be premier. Are you interested?

Greens- sure, but we have some conditions. Like ending the grizzly hunt.

NDP- Done! sounds great!

I think it all happened a little too fast, after the NDP took over. Within weeks! When has a government ever moved that quick on an issue?

[jbrow397]

It begs the question, why use facebook and twitter and instagram at all for hunting related material? AO forum and all others like this is all the social media you need. Its the only audience that actually cares about you.

What I'm really getting at is do we actually evaluate our choices? I did, and I concluded facebook was an addiction. I have been off facebook for over a year now and my life is better. I never used the other social media platforms but I imagine they are just as addictive.

In the end, we are social creatures even if you are an intraverted individual and will be drawn to social platforms. This instinct and the hunting instinct were once synergistic but now, one may be the demise of the other.

Choose wisely.

[Supergrit]

Posting pictures is for some and not others but posting on media can be done in a more tasteful way the many have done. The guy shooting the grizzly like 5 times through out its body and then leaving a blood streak down the snowy mountain side did a lot to shut down the grizzly hunt that video was all over the news. How about a picture standing beside the dead bear they end. Also the guy who put a go pro on his spear head good job there way to wreck spear hunting there is no need for this to be posted.

[fishnguy]

I don't use Facebook and the like. I have an account, but to be honest, I do not even remember my password. Last time I went through the settings there, I made sure that no one can see anything in my profile aside from those who are in my friend list (or whatever it is called there). I do not have an Instagram account either, I simply do not see the need to post my photos all over the internet.

Now, I do not have a problem with people doing just the opposite because everyone has their own ways and preferences.

The reason I would not post my hunting photos on my Facebook page, even if I was actively participating in the whole Facebook thing, is because not all of my friends are interested in any of this stuff. They might be meat eaters and they might even enjoy a venison steak, but they have no desire seeing dead animals an whatnot. And there is nothing wrong with it, whatsoever. In other words, just like in real life, I do not talk to everyone I know about how my hunting went and how full or empty my freezer is. This forum, on the other had, was created for people with certain similar interests and I would not hesitate to post a photo here. Even more so, I believe after discussions I had here and advice I was provided with, I feel obligated to post a photo, to share the moment and happiness with those people. I think it is great that people share their stories and photos here and I hope more will do so. When people stop sharing their stories even on this forum, that is when hunters will loose. The more we share among ourselves, the better off we are. I am pretty new to the hunting world, so maybe I am way off, but I really doubt it. Don't forget that the stories and photos you guys post on this forum (and other boards like this one) could very well be the push for the next guy to go to a store, buy a rifle, learn to shoot, and start hunting.

But yes, to each their own.

[fishnguy]

To add to my previous post...

If you decide not to share your experiences with others, how are you expecting what you call a culture and tradition to survive? And I am not even talking about prospering. Once you stop talking about it, it becomes a taboo and then disappears forever.

[BuckCuller]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Socially unacceptable

Ladies and Gentlemen,

When our elected people start telling us what is socially acceptable for one race, while allowing it for another, we are headed towards becoming one of “those” countries we read about in the World News articles.

Natives can. You whites and blacks and others cannot. Think about that one.

I believe the BC government slapped Natives in the face with that. The less intelligent will see it as a hooray for me moment. The most insightful ones will see it as a pandering insult. But, in the climate of “all about me” it’s likely even those more intelligent special citizens will say nothing due to the fact they support being special in one form or another. Take all the little perks as they come. Maybe some won’t. Who really knows

This is bigger than hunting. It is making a certain Ethnic people more important than another. That’s the kill shot. That’s where problems start. The government will stand back and say “we value the tradition of Natives to do this” but, at the same time, don’t forget to boil your water cause it’s not safe to drink, and try to keep your majority attendance in federal institutions at a lower level, and we apologize AGAIN for your upbringing in res schools etc etc etc.

How have we, as a supposed progressive society, fallen so far as to fail to care for our citizens equally. To truly believe that a Canadian is a Canadian, regardless of skin color or where they lived last year. It’s Orwellian.

Jim is right. 15,000 bears. 250 killed by hunters. The balance are eating the ungulates at an unsustainable rate.

Those people who say that man shouldn’t try to manage nature (animals) have to realize something critical. MAN IS and always will be a part of nature. WE owe it to wild animals to use our science and management skill set to best balance nature. We have to. Man encroaches on habitat for many reasons. We have to. People need places to live, to scout, to explore, to manage. We aren’t going anywhere. Man is here to stay. And mankind wants to ensure the animals stay too. No one wants anything to become extinct. So we use our best methods to do this.

Banning a hunt that results in 250 bears killed per year is going in the opposite direction. 250x34 ungulates is 8500

Citing the urbanites as the problem is mostly correct. Many urban dwellers are hunters. Keep that in mind. But it is very true that there is a frustrating number of urbanites that simply have no idea. In kind, there are many rural dwellers that aren’t very well educated with this dilemma either. They don’t have to be if, just for a minute, they took into consideration that their point of view is just that; theirs. It is not fact. It is an opinion.

Game management is what hunters do. Game management is what some non hunters support.

Anti hunters want the world to end hunting, let nature take care of itself.

Well, that will work once every human is gone. Until that day, we have to manage our wildlife. Some by restriction, some by hunting, some by cull and sometimes us hunters run to the shorelines to wash ducks and muskrats and other birds with Dawn soap to save their lives.

Man is here and a vital part of nature. That will not change. Keeping our politicians and special interest groups and non-science charlatans in check must change. They are detrimental to our wildlife, our planet and our ability to strive for equality and respect for each other.

I believe this is how the anti’s plan to phase out hunting and its working perfectly for them.
On one angle they fight to ban us from crown recreational land and change it all to parks that can not be used by hunters.
The other part of the equation is banning predator hunts. We will be losing cougars next wolves and coyotes after that. Then some years go by and because of the mismanagement one by one it will no longer be sustainable to hunt the rest of the species. Everything will be blamed on hunting and none on lack of game management.

THEY WIN.

Socially unacceptable is a new angle that shortcuts any scientific reason and is a perfect way to rebut any opposition to the ban. If you disagree with what is socially acceptable you are a loser redneck hillbilly creep.

And with the native angle the B.C. government gives them what that want to block the pipelines and increase votes. If the government couldn’t benefit from giving them special privileges they wouldn’t and everyone here knows that.

[BuckCuller]

Keep in mind that for the media to publish your name or anything inflammatory about any hunting picture you post I believe they would need your consent or you sue their ***** off.
It’s different for public figures like people on TV government and so on.
Or if it was on public record where you broke the law but if it’s your private social media account they need your consent.

[slough shark]

Social media has virtually nothing to do with imho, in Ontario they canceled the spring bear hunt something like 20 years ago, they recently brought it back. It has everything to do with keeping idiots out of office, that and education of the non hunting public. Thenon hunting public simply have virtually no idea about anything to do with hunting or game management, if they have half a brain and are rational education goes a long way. That is probably the biggest Took we have in our tool box, engage and educate.

[CF8889]

Editted. I'm out.

[Don_Parsons]

Originally Posted by Sitting Bull

Obviously I am a hunter. I still cannot get used to walking up to a dead animal with gobs of blood out the nostrils or the mouth. For a split moment I think of the animal and hope there was no suffering and I thank God for this beautiful bounty.
This is something the rest of the world does not see from us as hunters, our humanity and our gratefulness for the gift that we have been given.
When we post things for everybody to see, we can't expect them to understand. They see one beautiful majestic animal on the ground with blood all over it. The sight upsets them and off they go. We don't need to give the rest of the world a reason to take away from us a way of life that is pleasing and rewarding to us. We will never convert them to our way of thinking . We have all kinds of hunting forums that we can post on without drawing attention to us. So stop posting on social media! Don't do it. Like Bob Newhart used to say on the psychiatrist skit " STOP, STOP IT"
Just my .02

^^^ X's 2.

Don

[Supergrit]

https://globalnews.ca/news/2210949/w...sparks-debate/

Posting is fine but choose what you post. This is video is a hunt gone wrong and nothing to be proud about and is sickening to watch yet it made it on the internet and was a lot fuel to getting the bear hunt canceled

[58thecat]

Meh, hunt,fish enjoy the outdoors, post pics of your outings and don't worry about others thoughts etc because in the long run its just not worth it and the outdoors will be there so my suggestion is drop the social media connecting devises and go get some fresh air....try a week or two...your mind, body and soul will be happy and complete....

[DJS]

Originally Posted by Sigg

Put me in the camp of social media also being the death of hunting or at least more lost opportunities.

Are you little girls in need of that much attention?

Exactly who are the little girls your referring to?

[Hillbilly 12]

IMO hunting shows are all about the size of antlers and getting the kill shot on tape, that's it. Some say they are totally meat hunting while they pass meat deer only to get a monster buck... But we are meat hunting. It's all reality tv and has very little to do with actually going hunting and taking in nature, it's all for the camera. So I could do without tv hunting, I don't watch it. As for the media Facebook, and the rest is for bragging pics. If it wasn't for social media lots would never kill anything, but they do so so they can post it and get likes and recognition for it, it must make them feel like a hero... Idk. Personally I think posting anything, not just hunting, new truck, new this/that, we went here, we did this..... Grow up.

[DJS]

I actually am astounded by the amount of guys here who want to tuck tails and try keep hunting on the "downlow". When did it become ok to hide what we are passionate about? Do you honestly think that by keeping everything off of social media it will help our fight against the antis? Really? Look around you...the left wing people of our society are the ones making all the noise. They're crying for more handouts, expensive social programs which cost taxpayers millions of dollars, carbon taxes which will surely help our climate (ya right), the legalization of marijuana, rules and special rights for minorities that cause divides among our populations....at some point in history many of people would have laughed at the possibility of most of these things. Now they're a reality. Why? Because the people on the left stand together for what they believe in and aren't scared to make noise. It's time the people on the right did the same thing.

BC cancelling their grizzly hunt calling "socially unacceptable" is the cause of of way too many people on our side not doing or saying enough to keep it "socially acceptable". Don't hide from what your passionate about or what you believe in. If anything start flooding social media even more to show how popular hunting really is. I agree that some pictures could be posted in better taste but keep posting them. If we stop, if hunting magazines stop getting published, if Wild TV or You Tube channels featuring hunting clips decide to shut down I would bet that hunting it self will follow very soon after.

My opinion.

[DJS]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly 12

IMO hunting shows are all about the size of antlers and getting the kill shot on tape, that's it. Some say they are totally meat hunting while they pass meat deer only to get a monster buck... But we are meat hunting. It's all reality tv and has very little to do with actually going hunting and taking in nature, it's all for the camera. So I could do without tv hunting, I don't watch it. As for the media Facebook, and the rest is for bragging pics. If it wasn't for social media lots would never kill anything, but they do so so they can post it and get likes and recognition for it, it must make them feel like a hero... Idk.

I've heard this from a bunch of people. When you hear it at first one might think that yes, this is the case. But 1) There are alot of hunting shows both here in Canada and the US that do a good job of both showing meat hunts and airing shows in which the host or hunter doesn't shoot anything. It's much better than it used to be. 2) Your idea of a trophy just differs from alot of peoples. After reading your post your trophy has nothing to do with antler size and that's ok. But it's also ok if someone else wants to hold out for an animal with big horns as long as they're using the meat as well. This shouldn't be frowned upon in my opinion. Everyone's view on what is a trophy is just that. It's each to their own and be proud of everything you harvest.

[chinchaga07]

Originally Posted by Goncutn

I'm sorry but I'm not buying into all the ***** talk about not posting your kills on the web, first off, we have had hunting magazines for decades and they STILL show pictures of kills and these magazines are available where all the liberals and socialist pass by, when will they stop that publishing? Secondly, when you stop doing what you believe is your right to show you LEGAL kill on the net then you are the problem !! I will in no way give up to the antis or the leftist because they had their feelings hurt by the posting of a LEGAL kill. And to all you that think I,m wrong, (which several of the continual posters on this site) you have your opinion and I have mine.

Although I agree with you in regards to publications being around forever with pics of harvested animals, its the fact that social media is there at the click of a button. Whether it be a smartphone, laptop or tablet, you have instant access to news articles, social media sites, anything you want. Prior to this, the so called liberals or Antis would actually have to spend a dime on a publication to see these articles. We have made it too easy for them. I too am of the belief social media will be the death of many aspects of our life that we have enjoyed.

[elk396]

Originally Posted by slough shark

Social media has virtually nothing to do with imho, in Ontario they canceled the spring bear hunt something like 20 years ago, they recently brought it back. It has everything to do with keeping idiots out of office, that and education of the non hunting public. Thenon hunting public simply have virtually no idea about anything to do with hunting or game management, if they have half a brain and are rational education goes a long way. That is probably the biggest Took we have in our tool box, engage and educate.

You are exactly right, but we don't have enough votes to keep those idiots out of office, the urban dwellers out number our way of thinking 10:1. So we need to make better choices when we post a blood bath on Facebook, because we are outnumbered and can't vote them out.