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09-18-2017, 09:13 PM
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Questions re: Supplemental WT tag
I've searched old posts and read the regs but can't find a clear answer to a specific question - hoping someone can help.
I already have a general WT tag, but got permission in a zone where I can use a supplemental antlerless tag. Does this mean I could potentially tag 3 whitetails this year?
I understand the rules surrounding the supplemental tag, just wasn't sure if it can be used in conjunction with a general.
Thanks a lot guys,
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09-18-2017, 09:17 PM
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Yes you can use it with a general tag.
If you shoot a Doe, use the supp tag, if you shoot a buck use the general tag.
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09-18-2017, 09:18 PM
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Depending on the zone you may not be able to use the 2nd supplemental
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09-18-2017, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by muirsy
I've searched old posts and read the regs but can't find a clear answer to a specific question - hoping someone can help.
I already have a general WT tag, but got permission in a zone where I can use a supplemental antlerless tag. Does this mean I could potentially tag 3 whitetails this year?
I understand the rules surrounding the supplemental tag, just wasn't sure if it can be used in conjunction with a general.
Thanks a lot guys,
J
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Some zones allow both supplemental tags to be used, some only allow the first to be used.
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09-19-2017, 10:45 AM
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It is confusing the way they use the term first, like is numerical where you must use one tag before the other? And if I shoot a doe in a zone that permits 2 to be harvested can I still use the second tag in a zone in which we can only use the "first" tag? I already understand that I cannot use both tags in two different zones that are both first tag only zones, or can I?
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09-19-2017, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Birchcraft
It is confusing the way they use the term first, like is numerical where you must use one tag before the other?
And if I shoot a doe in a zone that permits 2 to be harvested can I still use the second tag in a zone in which we can only use the "first" tag?
I already understand that I cannot use both tags in two different zones that are both first tag only zones, or can I?
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No.
No.
Yes and NO!.
The regulations for the Supplemental WT licences does NOT specify that the First tag must be used before the second tag.
Read this without trying to have it say what you want it to say....
"The Supplemental Antlerless White-tailed Deer Licence is issued with two tags.
The FIRST tag issued with the licence (but NOT the second tag) is valid for tagging a deer hunted in one of the following WMUs: 310-314, 322, 324, 330, 332, 336-349, 351, 354, 356, 357, 360, 436-439, 505, 507-510, 523, 526, 527, 535 and 537.
Both tags are valid for tagging a deer(s) hunted in any of the following WMUs: 350, 352, 353, 355, 440-446, 511, 512, 515-521, 524, 525, 528-531, 534, 536, 539, 540, 542 and 544."
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09-19-2017, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
No.
No.
Yes and NO!.
The regulations for the Supplemental WT licences does NOT specify that the First tag must be used before the second tag.
Read this without trying to have it say what you want it to say....
"The Supplemental Antlerless White-tailed Deer Licence is issued with two tags.
The FIRST tag issued with the licence (but NOT the second tag) is valid for tagging a deer hunted in one of the following WMUs: 310-314, 322, 324, 330, 332, 336-349, 351, 354, 356, 357, 360, 436-439, 505, 507-510, 523, 526, 527, 535 and 537.
Both tags are valid for tagging a deer(s) hunted in any of the following WMUs: 350, 352, 353, 355, 440-446, 511, 512, 515-521, 524, 525, 528-531, 534, 536, 539, 540, 542 and 544."
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Seems pretty straightforward, however it still does not specify that if you take an antlerless w.t. (Because you can use this tag on deer that are male, as long as they do not have more than 4" of bone on one or both sides.), in a zone where both tags are valid, that you have to use the first tag before the second. I would say that if you used the second tag in the zone where both tags are valid, then hunted an Antler-less W.T. in a zone that is only good for the first tag, then you should be alright. But I would still think it's a good idea to contact fish and wildlife before going ahead with that plan. Really a simple phone call should be able to get a straight answer. I would suggest getting the name of the officer you speak to, and time and date as well. For your references, in case you run into any problems. Sometimes even the C.O.'s don't know for sure. Best to cover your buns!!
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09-19-2017, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter9841
Seems pretty straightforward, however
it still does not specify that if you take an antlerless w.t. (Because you can use this tag on deer that are male, as long as they do not have more than 4" of bone on one or both sides.), in a zone where both tags are valid, that you have to use the first tag before the second.
I would say that if you used the second tag in the zone where both tags are valid, then hunted an Antler-less W.T. in a zone that is only good for the first tag, then you should be alright.
But I would still think it's a good idea to contact fish and wildlife before going ahead with that plan. Really a simple phone call should be able to get a straight answer. I would suggest getting the name of the officer you speak to, and time and date as well. For your references, in case you run into any problems. Sometimes even the C.O.'s don't know for sure. Best to cover your buns!!
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The written description in the hunting synopsis is actually very clear and concise.
The regs DO NOT specify that the first tag must be used before the second tag.
Therefore you CAN use the second tag before using the first tag.
It really is that simple.
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09-19-2017, 01:02 PM
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You can also apply some common sense.
How could they possibly enforce a '' have to use tag#1 first'' rule??
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09-19-2017, 01:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by walking buffalo
The written description in the hunting synopsis is actually very clear and concise.
The regs DO NOT specify that the first tag must be used before the second tag.
Therefore you CAN use the second tag before using the first tag.
It really is that simple.
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Normaly I agree with Pretty much most anything you post. However in this case the regs do state to use your first issued tag I am guessing they will look at the tag number but here is the quote from the regs.
The Supplemental Antlerless White-tailed Deer Licence is issued with two tags.
The FIRST tag issued with the licence (but NOT the second tag) is valid for tagging a deer hunted in one of the following WMUs: 310-314, 322, 324, 330, 332, 336-349, 351, 354, 356, 357 and 360.
Both tags are valid for tagging a deer(s) hunted in any of the following WMUs: 350, 352, 353 and 355.
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09-19-2017, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MAC
Normaly I agree with Pretty much most anything you post. However in this case the regs do state to use your first issued tag I am guessing they will look at the tag number but here is the quote from the regs.
The Supplemental Antlerless White-tailed Deer Licence is issued with two tags.
The FIRST tag issued with the licence (but NOT the second tag) is valid for tagging a deer hunted in one of the following WMUs: 310-314, 322, 324, 330, 332, 336-349, 351, 354, 356, 357 and 360.
Both tags are valid for tagging a deer(s) hunted in any of the following WMUs: 350, 352, 353 and 355.
MAC
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That just states where each of the two tags are valid.
It does NOT state that the first tag MUST be used before the Second tag.
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09-19-2017, 01:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by walking buffalo
That just states where each of the two tags are valid.
It does NOT state that the first tag MUST be used before the Second tag.
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Correct you can hunt the two tag zones first and use tag #2 for your deer there first. But it is explicit that your First issued tag be used in the one tag zones.
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09-19-2017, 01:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by walking buffalo
That just states where each of the two tags are valid.
It does NOT state that the first tag MUST be used before the Second tag.
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And there you have it.
It's simple.
If you use your first tag in a 2 tag zone you can no longer hunt in a single tag zone.
So therefore.....If you're in a 2 tag zone, use the 2nd tag first and it will allow you to continue hunting in a single tag zone if so desired.
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09-19-2017, 01:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MAC
Correct you can hunt the two tag zones first and use tag #2 for your deer there first. But it is explicit that your First issued tag be used in the one tag zones.
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That's what I said.
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09-19-2017, 02:17 PM
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If you are hunting a zone where you can use your #2 tag, use that one first.
Then your #1 tag is good for more zones.
Each tag and their number is printed out on your license that comes with the tags.
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09-19-2017, 02:30 PM
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I was in a WMU where I had to use tag 1. So I did. It's not rocket science. I find a lot of folks over think the regs at times and start over complicating them.
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09-19-2017, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 1899b
I was in a WMU where I had to use tag 1. So I did. It's not rocket science. I find a lot of folks over think the regs at times and start over complicating them.
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That makes sense to me. In my position, tag 2 is limited to zones I don't hunt unfortunately.
But I believe the general WT tag I already have can be used in another zone I have access in. Therefore, I can tag 2 WT's this year. If that makes sense?
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09-19-2017, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple
Yes you can use it with a general tag.
If you shoot a Doe, use the supp tag, if you shoot a buck use the general tag.
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Wait, what?
Supplemental. I thought it could only be used after you filled your general? So after shooting a doe 2 years ago, I could have tagged her with my supplemental then shot that big buck that nearly walked into my blind a week later.
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09-19-2017, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jays toyz
Wait, what?
Supplemental. I thought it could only be used after you filled your general? So after shooting a doe 2 years ago, I could have tagged her with my supplemental then shot that big buck that nearly walked into my blind a week later.
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We shoot a couple does at the beginning of the season then we use our general tags for the rut in November. You can use either one at anytime. As long as you are tagging an antlerless deer with the supplemental tag meant for that WMU..
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09-19-2017, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by muirsy
That makes sense to me. In my position, tag 2 is limited to zones I don't hunt unfortunately.
But I believe the general WT tag I already have can be used in another zone I have access in. Therefore, I can tag 2 WT's this year. If that makes sense?
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You can use your general in any zone that is open for antlered or antlerless whitetail at that time.
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If you can't understand what you can hunt when and where you shouldn't be out hunting,the regulations are simple
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09-19-2017, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Slicktricker
If you can't understand what you can hunt when and where you shouldn't be out hunting,the regulations are simple
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You can't leave the house to go hunting without knowing and understanding the regulations that pertain to your area and your quarry. I totally agree
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If you can't understand what you can hunt when and where you shouldn't be out hunting,the regulations are simple
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09-19-2017, 08:27 PM
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If you can't understand what you can hunt when and where you shouldn't be out hunting,the regulations are simple
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No sh*t, that's why I'm asking for a little clarification. The regs, although very clear, also leave out some common concerns/Q&A, hence the thread. Thanks for the constructive input though.
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09-19-2017, 08:54 PM
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Maybe they should have issued the tags labeled A and B. Tag A is good in these zones. Tag A or B is good in these zones
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09-19-2017, 09:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jays toyz
Wait, what?
Supplemental. I thought it could only be used after you filled your general? So after shooting a doe 2 years ago, I could have tagged her with my supplemental then shot that big buck that nearly walked into my blind a week later.
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doesnt matter what tag goes on, as long as it is for the right class, in the right zone.
so you couldve tagged your doe with the supplemental and then tagged that big buck.
you can hold up to 4 whitetail tags at any given time.
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09-19-2017, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple
doesnt matter what tag goes on, as long as it is for the right class, in the right zone.
so you couldve tagged your doe with the supplemental and then tagged that big buck.
you can hold up to 4 whitetail tags at any given time.
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I think the number is closer to thirteen, though some of those would be valid for either a WT or MD...
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09-19-2017, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
I think the number is closer to thirteen, though some of those would be valid for either a WT or MD...
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I said just Whitetail. Is 13 for all species?
Edit: I count 8 licenses for WT and a few of those include either MD or WT
Resident Whitetail
Antlerless Whitetail
Supplemental Whitetail x2
Strathcona Whitetail
Foothills Deer (either species)
WMU 212/248 Deer (either species)
Wainwright Deer (either species)
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Thanks guys for the clarification, first time buying supplemental tags and did not notice the #1 and #2 on the licence, just to be safe I'll pencil them on the tags as well, would of thought the clerk would have done that already. And of course by doe tag I mean antlerless, doe just rolls off the keyboard much easier.
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