Something to think about...

[Bonescreek]

Food for thought, just a question really.

Did the diagnosis for cancer come about around the same time
as the common use of plastics ?

Did cavemen die of cancer and we simply didn't know it ?
Or did they not live long enough to die from a cancer ?

If you could remove all forms of plastics in our lives such as..
Forks, spoons, knives, plates, styrofoam cups, vinal siding, rugs,
ink pens, polyester thread (every form of cloathing), dashboards, speakers,
door knobs, window casings, iphones, eye glass frames, credit cards,
and yes no one is safe...
dr. sholes shoe liners, they come in a gel style now too.
Oh yea almost forgot, silcone implants anybody ?
Plastic hip replacement, rotor cuff maybe ?


Oil is everywhere.
So is cancer, it's a big money maker for sure.
Long as they don't find a cure.

What prompted me to post this is because I've grown tired of hearing
the lame excuses about how bad cigarette smoking is the leading cause
of cancer from people who cannot find a cure for cancer by stopping us
from smoking.

I seriously doubt they know what they are talking about.
Unless they do and they are hiding something $$.
If they did then they could prove and explain why people who do
not smoke die from cancer and they cannot.
And they cannot really cure anyone with cancer so far, really.

History has shown us in the past when people really tried to
fight together against polyo, anthrax, measles, aids we find
either a cure or a way to almost eliminate it.

Cancer just goes on, an on.

Why is that ?

[alacringa]

Do you have a point?

What about the advent of tin foil, and being able to fold it into a variety of different shapes? Like hats, for example?

[Grizzly Adams]

Give me a Break. Once you've been there and bought the T shirt, you don't have any patience for this crap.

Grizz

[kmacisaac]

In the cave man days I don't think anyone lived long enough to develop cancer.

[st99]

Barely 100 yrs ago and for thousands of yrs, the average person life expectancy was between 40 and 50 yrs. The human body is not actually made to live as old as we regularly see nowadays, so I don't think we can complain. The only difference is, now we know what people are dying from.

[Gust]

Maybe it's a misunderstood fail safe mechanism to curb over population?

Look up the hard plastics case in the States on plastics that mimic estrogen (some other egg head can chime in the right terms for it).

[Bonescreek]

Maybe we live too long today ?
I don't think so, but I do think the quality of life today for
most people is much less than in the past.

Do people who are doctors and nurses and pharma reseachers set
go about doing their work "hiding a cure" for cancer, NO I don't think
they do, knowingly. But do believe they are funded by things like the
stock market and stock holders and the machine etc.
So where does all that money go and what really becomes of it ?
Ask a doctor, or a nurse just of 3rd shift, you get the picture.

Excuse me while I click on my plastic mouse in order to submit this
reply.

[Gust]

Originally Posted by Bonescreek

Maybe we live too long today ?

If we all died younger, we'd;

~ look great
~ wouldn't need Cialis
~ not be concerned with regularity
~ or what Depends look better while fishing
~ not have to wonder why we have breasts
~ take life more seriously
~ not contemplate retirement

[Bonescreek]

Back on topic..
Plastics / Cancer ?
did they happen to coinside ?

I can't remember exactly when plastics where created or
cancer was first discovered but wondered if they where about
the same time ?

[st99]

here's a few good read for you, feel to do a search if you want to know more

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4838a2.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4829a1.htm

[Badgerbadger]

Cancer's been around longer than plastics, etc.

Earliest example of soft tissue cancer goes back 3000 yrs

http://popular-archaeology.com/issue...f-human-cancer

Earliest example of bone cancer goes back 6000 years

http://blog.britishmuseum.org/2014/0...nt-amara-west/

Advances in cancer diagnostics and treatments over the last decade are amazing. Nanotechnology and stem cell research will provide even more remarkable of a benefit.

[Bonescreek]

A close friend of mine has been fighting cancer of several
kinds and in several locations for the last maybe 6 or 7 years now.
Has gone through sergery, kemo, catscans, and much more than
I can recall, was declared in full remission twice in past 2 years and
is now undergoing radiation because it's in operable.
She never smoked, her parents never smoked and cancer is not in
her family history.

2 different doctors have told her to the best of their knowlage she
was in full remission in the last 2 years on 2 occasions.

Now its back, on to the third doctor.

Hate to post this but it's true.
Yes I do not know first hand, I smoke too much to get it I guess.
We can put a man on the moon.
We can cure polieo.
Sometimes we can do squat.

[Red Bullets]

I am not sure which study concluded this but I have heard it mentioned that people born after the 1940's have been exposed to the chemical age from birth.
Not neccesarily just plastics. During the 1940's and 50's was the start of many chemical products being introduced into the households.

[Zip]

Originally Posted by Red Bullets

I am not sure which study concluded this but I have heard it mentioned that people born after the 1940's have been exposed to the chemical age from birth.
Not neccesarily just plastics. During the 1940's and 50's was the start of many chemical products being introduced into the households.

Hey you could be onto something here..I was born in the middle fifties and have been fighting cancer hard now going on 4 years....a good friend of mine is also fighting for his life as well..also born middle fifties. Coincidence..I think not!

[RavYak]

Talk to anyone over 60 and they will tell you how many people just died for unknown reasons. Cancer would have been one of those reasons.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by Red Bullets

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Not neccesarily just plastics. During the 1940's and 50's was the start of many chemical products being introduced into the households.

That's the conclusion I came to many years ago.

I do think cancer has been a round much longer then this society we live in.
Probably since the dawn of time, but it is also clear to me that something has changed in recent years.

Odd as it may seem, I have watched as each generation has experienced more and more health problems.
Yes science has eliminated some diseases and greatly reduced others, but from what I see, it appears that those diseases have been replaced by new diseases that science has no cure for, yet, and not just diseases, food allergies, sensitivities, syndromes, and perhaps new cancers.

And before some rocket scientist suggest that my thoughts don't count because I haven't got cancer, I'd like to offer a bit of what I have experienced. Yes experienced.

Many years ago I sat on the edge of a dear friends hospital bed, looking down on a frail collection of skin and bones lay, where once my friend had lain. My friends voice came from within that pile of skin and bones but what lay before me was not my friend, it wasn't even 10 percent of the War Veteran I had grown up with.
Cancer had taken his strengths, his form his spirit, all that remained was this pile of skin and bones and a voice I will never forget.

Then cancer took my only uncle, and then my best friend and today, as I write this, one of my sisters is in a fight for her life. Last fall she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

I am no scientist, but according to the IQ tests I have taken, I do have an IQ of 128.
If so then maybe I can figure out a thing or two by observing.

I am not unfamiliar with past health trends and with what is happening in the world today. What I've seen suggests to me that there is something in our environment that wasn't there before, and it's killing us.

[CanuckShooter]

Good observation Keg.....it is slowly killing us.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

I'm trying to figure out what the problem with plastic is.

[Zip]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

That's the conclusion I came to many years ago.

I do think cancer has been a round much longer then this society we live in.
Probably since the dawn of time, but it is also clear to me that something has changed in recent years.

Odd as it may seem, I have watched as each generation has experienced more and more health problems.
Yes science has eliminated some diseases and greatly reduced others, but from what I see, it appears that those diseases have been replaced by new diseases that science has no cure for, yet, and not just diseases, food allergies, sensitivities, syndromes, and perhaps new cancers.

And before some rocket scientist suggest that my thoughts don't count because I haven't got cancer, I'd like to offer a bit of what I have experienced. Yes experienced.

Many years ago I sat on the edge of a dear friends hospital bed, looking down on a frail collection of skin and bones lay, where once my friend had lain. My friends voice came from within that pile of skin and bones but what lay before me was not my friend, it wasn't even 10 percent of the War Veteran I had grown up with.
Cancer had taken his strengths, his form his spirit, all that remained was this pile of skin and bones and a voice I will never forget.

Then cancer took my only uncle, and then my best friend and today, as I write this, one of my sisters is in a fight for her life. Last fall she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

I am no scientist, but according to the IQ tests I have taken, I do have an IQ of 128.
If so then maybe I can figure out a thing or two by observing.

I am not unfamiliar with past health trends and with what is happening in the world today. What I've seen suggests to me that there is something in our environment that wasn't there before, and it's killing us.

Very well said,For all it's worth my hat is off to you sir.
Zip

[leeaspell]

Could have something to do with the thousands of chemicals we are exposed to every day that have never been tested to determine the short or long term effects on humans.




And, for those additives the FDA does actually know about, fewer than 38 percent of more than 8,000 FDA-regulated additives — including those manufacturers intentionally add directly to food and materials that may come into contact with and contaminate foods — have a published feeding study. (Feeding studies comprise the basic toxicology test — the first test a scientist would do to evaluate the safety of a chemical additive.) For direct additives, added intentionally to food, only 21.6 percent of the almost 4,000 additives have undergone the feeding studies necessary for scientists to estimate a safe level of exposure, and the FDA databases contain reproductive or developmental toxicity data for only 6.7 percent.

[plmnnkoqaz]

People today live the longest and healthiest since the dawn of humanit. There is no better time to live.
In the last 50 years, we have cured old age. Just look at historical death certificates, nobody dies of old age anymore
There are 3 things that will kill everyone, if nothing else does:
Heart attack
Stroke
Cancer

[KegRiver]

LOL This reminds me of another friend who went to their reward quiet recently.

Her name was Suzi and she was a remarkable woman.
She lived a hard life. The wife of a trapper and sawmill owner, she worked hard all of her life.
She was born before the first settlers came into this region. The daughter of a fur trader and his native bride. Her first home was a log cabin on her mothers trap line.
At sixteen years old she married an immigrant named Ken and settled down to raise a family.
A stay at home mom, she raised their kids and kept a succession of dilapidated shacks, somewhat clean and comfortable while she did all the paperwork for the saw mill, filled in for missing workers, fixed fur in season, and helped the neighbors when they needed help.

She smoked the equivalent of a pack a day, and she drank whiskey straight out of the bottle. She eat fried food like it was the only food in the world. Yet she lived to be 87 years young.

Toward the last she was stooped and frail looking, yet never complained and she stayed active till the very end.

A few years before she passed I bumped in to her and her daughter at the local coffee shop. We got to talking and Suzi asked me if I'd sponsor her for a walk to raise money for breast cancer.
I liked Suzi a lot so of course I said yes. She asked how much per mile I was willing to commit to. I asked her how far she planned on walking.
"I don't really know" she responded, "I'll probably just walk over to my sons place and back a few times" she said.

Her son lived about a mile and a half down the road from Suzi. I figured she would probably only make the round trip once or twice at most. I couldn't imagine her being able to do any more then that at her age.
I had twenty dollars I could do without so I did a quick mental calculation and decided that I could afford to sponsor her at five dollars per mile.

When the day arrived for the cancer walk she set out walking right at daybreak and didn't stop till it got too dark to see. My sponsor commitment worked out to $85.00 worth. Suzi was almost 85 years old that year.

Yes modern science has cured old age. Our old folks homes are full of people who can't even change their own clothes. And most of them are barely over sixty years old and they had all the benefits of our modern life, for the better part of their lives.

So there they sit in their wheel chairs looking out at the streets they can no longer walk. Medication keeps them alive and techknolwadgy keeps their bodies mobile. Many of them are under 70 years old and very very few of them will ever reach the age of 87 years old.

Suzi didn't get much from medical science, she never had much in the way of technological gadgets. By modern standards she had a terribly unhealthy lifestyle. But she earned $85.00 dollars of my money despite all that.

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by alacringa

Do you have a point?

What about the advent of tin foil, and being able to fold it into a variety of different shapes? Like hats, for example?

Oh be careful when discussing hats.

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by Bonescreek

A close friend of mine has been fighting cancer of several
kinds and in several locations for the last maybe 6 or 7 years now.
Has gone through sergery, kemo, catscans, and much more than
I can recall, was declared in full remission twice in past 2 years and
is now undergoing radiation because it's in operable.
She never smoked, her parents never smoked and cancer is not in
her family history.

2 different doctors have told her to the best of their knowlage she
was in full remission in the last 2 years on 2 occasions.

Now its back, on to the third doctor.

Hate to post this but it's true.
Yes I do not know first hand, I smoke too much to get it I guess.
We can put a man on the moon.
We can cure polieo.
Sometimes we can do squat.

Sometimes people are just predisposed to certain ailments that others seem to be immune to.

Some people are just lucky. Lots of stories where a person survives something that defies logic, and others die of the most trivial of bump.

Is it divine intervention? Is it genetics? Luck?