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01-15-2020, 05:36 PM
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Selling a non restricted in the new year
Has anyone sold a gun in the new year? The rcmp web site states seller must verify buyers pal by calling a hot line . My question is do they ask for a serial number and or a description of item ? Thankd
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01-15-2020, 08:06 PM
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They will ask for the Name, PAL number including all numbers after the decimal point, and the expiry date. They will then tell you if the PAL is valid or not.
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01-15-2020, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RancheroMan
They will ask for the Name, PAL number including all numbers after the decimal point, and the expiry date. They will then tell you if the PAL is valid or not.
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RCMP will only ask for information on the pal and nothing regarding the firearm?
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01-15-2020, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by warriorboy10
RCMP will only ask for information on the pal and nothing regarding the firearm?
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Non restricted no need to ask , it is about the buyer not the firearm.
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01-15-2020, 10:26 PM
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At the moment I can't find any changes about this in firearms act or regulations. Anyone else find this requirement listed for non-restricted?
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01-15-2020, 11:46 PM
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Non-restricted
You do not need to register non-restricted firearms. That means you can transfer a non-restricted firearm without contacting the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP). However, the transferor (seller, giver) must make sure that the transferee (buyer, recipient) has a valid PAL. Call the CFP at 1-800-731-4000 to confirm the validity of the transferee's licence before you transfer the firearm
I copied this from the rcmp web page ! Cheers
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01-15-2020, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by catnthehat
Non restricted no need to ask , it is about the buyer not the firearm.
Cat
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Is this personal experience ? Cheers
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01-16-2020, 12:24 AM
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01-16-2020, 02:54 AM
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I'd have to double check, but, as far as I have seen yet, the OIC's related to non-restricted transfers have not been published yet, and unless they did it this wk, the RCMP is jumping the gun on stating this, again. I believe at this point we still are not actually required to call for the transfer nbr for non-restricted, that they will be issuing once the OIC's are put thru. They would be published in the Gazette if they have been put thru. May not be long though.
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01-16-2020, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by expedition
Is this personal experience ? Cheers
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As of last year that is ALL you had to do
We are talking about NON RESTRICTED firearms here not restricted firearms so there is no reason to give the RCMP ANY info on the gun, you are checking to see if a buyer had a valid PAL that is all .
Answer me this - Why would you need to if the gun does not have to be registered because it is non restricted ?
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01-16-2020, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by catnthehat
As of last year that is ALL you had to do
We are talking about NON RESTRICTED firearms here not restricted firearms so there is no reason to give the RCMP ANY info on the gun, you are checking to see if a buyer had a valid PAL that is all .
Answer me this - Why would you need to if the gun does not have to be registered because it is non restricted ?
Cat
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I feel there is an opportunity for a backdoor registry now. Computer storage is cheap now. Rcmp could start their own registry . Just ask for serial number at the same time as pal number and they got their registry without us knowing . Was hoping some one had sold in the new year as it has now changed . Cheers
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01-16-2020, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 32-40win
I'd have to double check, but, as far as I have seen yet, the OIC's related to non-restricted transfers have not been published yet, and unless they did it this wk, the RCMP is jumping the gun on stating this, again. I believe at this point we still are not actually required to call for the transfer nbr for non-restricted, that they will be issuing once the OIC's are put thru. They would be published in the Gazette if they have been put thru. May not be long though.
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It is worded "must call " so that means required
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01-16-2020, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by expedition
It is worded "must call " so that means required
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I dont believe it says “must Call” it says “Must verify they have a valid License”.
So seeing a picture of it, looking at it yourself are 2 ways.
I dont believe the wording has changed on that, always had to ensure they had a valid license.
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01-16-2020, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Full Curl Earl
I dont believe it says “must Call” it says “Must verify they have a valid License”.
So seeing a picture of it, looking at it yourself are 2 ways.
I dont believe the wording has changed on that, always had to ensure they had a valid license.
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I think this is called literary license . Once again has any one gone through the process in the new year .
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01-16-2020, 10:12 AM
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It does not say "must call" anywhere, it flat out says you DO NOT need to call the CFP to transfer a non restricted.
You do not need to register non-restricted firearms. That means you can transfer a non-restricted firearm without contacting the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP). However, the transferor (seller, giver) must make sure that the transferee (buyer, recipient) has a valid PAL. Call the CFP at 1-800-731-4000 to confirm the validity of the transferee's licence before you transfer the firearm.
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01-16-2020, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by darren32
It does not say "must call" anywhere, it flat out says you DO NOT need to call the CFP to transfer a non restricted.
You do not need to register non-restricted firearms. That means you can transfer a non-restricted firearm without contacting the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP). However, the transferor (seller, giver) must make sure that the transferee (buyer, recipient) has a valid PAL. Call the CFP at 1-800-731-4000 to confirm the validity of the transferee's licence before you transfer the firearm.
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You are right, I didn't take the time to look at the RCMP website to confirm what the OP was talking about, I just went straight to reviewing changes in the firearms act...
this whole thread is bogus then... at the moment, nothing has changed.
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01-16-2020, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by darren32
It does not say "must call" anywhere, it flat out says you DO NOT need to call the CFP to transfer a non restricted.
You do not need to register non-restricted firearms. That means you can transfer a non-restricted firearm without contacting the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP). However, the transferor (seller, giver) must make sure that the transferee (buyer, recipient) has a valid PAL. Call the CFP at 1-800-731-4000 to confirm the validity of the transferee's licence before you transfer the firearm.
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You can read that which ever way you like. The intent of the new law is for the court to have the ability to cancel a licence at any time. Previously the court would cancel a licence and if the holder is able to keep the card (hide) the holder could keep buying guns n ammo . This was meant to change that . If it's ok with you folks I would still like to know from someone what the process is actually like . First hand .Cheers
Last edited by expedition; 01-16-2020 at 10:40 AM.
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01-16-2020, 10:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by expedition
You can read that which ever way you like. The intent of the new law is for the court to have the ability to cancel a licence at any time. Previously the court would cancel a licence and if the holder is able to keep the card (hide) the holder could keep buying guns n ammo . This was meant to change that . If it's ok with you folks I would still like to know from someone what the process is actually like . First hand .Cheers
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If I were to buy or sell a non restricted firearm today I would not call the CFP and that would therefore not answer your question. I suppose it would clear things up if someone did. I would be pretty surprised if the CFP asked for a serial number (non restricted) and your theory is true but you never know
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01-16-2020, 11:16 AM
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Non-Restricted transfer.
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Originally Posted by darren32
It does not say "must call" anywhere, it flat out says you DO NOT need to call the CFP to transfer a non restricted.
You do not need to register non-restricted firearms. That means you can transfer a non-restricted firearm without contacting the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP). However, the transferor (seller, giver) must make sure that the transferee (buyer, recipient) has a valid PAL. Call the CFP at 1-800-731-4000 to confirm the validity of the transferee's licence before you transfer the firearm.
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This was worded the same way last fall so there has been no change in the New Year that I can see. I had need to verify a Buyer's PAL last fall and just called CFP and provided the Buyer's PAL number and name and address. They never asked my name or what he was buying, just confirmed his PAL was valid.
Phil
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