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Old 11-22-2019, 03:15 PM
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Old 11-22-2019, 03:26 PM
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There is much to do to build this thing in Alberta and the demand for it is HOT!!!!

Things are happening rapidly as GFW reacts to the demand. We are currently trying to ascertain buying locations. A lot of talent happening on the GFW Canada team and looking to increase who's already at the table.

Just to clarify, we do not yet know who of the team will be attending Red Deer for sure, let's say 3/4 of the team will be there, not 100% sure that Dave Bewick will be there. Athabasca and Lloydminster will be either most of the team or 3/4 again. Looks like we will certainly be in the Grand Prairie area, possibly with the team, possibly myself, and if so I better eat my wheaties that day. We will keep you posted.

So I forgot the phone number in that PDF/JPG... here is it

GFW Alberta Agent: Marty Senneker cell 403-654-7160

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Old 11-22-2019, 03:56 PM
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Watch this thread on the Canadian Coyote Company sponsor forum for dates/locations/routes:

http://outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthrea...79#post4060679
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Old 11-22-2019, 04:38 PM
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Well done, attracting them to western Canada.
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Old 11-22-2019, 10:48 PM
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Does that mean you won't be shipping to fha marty?
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Old 11-22-2019, 11:04 PM
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Oh... Iím gonna say the fur is what attracted them, the opportunity to expand their business. I didnít do it! It was probably a plan orchestrated long ago due to demand from their customers. This thing will be interesting to see how it all plays out.Welcome to the new wild fur post-NAFA landscape! Seeing this company expand rapidly into Canada does demonstrate a degree of health and confidence in the marketplace and therefore our wild fur industry.
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Old 11-23-2019, 12:48 PM
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They only taking put up fur at this point or are they buying green?




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Old 11-27-2019, 07:37 AM
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Mostly dried goods, some carcass/skinned-froze.

I'm supposed to visit a guy at Killam/Viking area on this Friday 29th, let me know if you want me to stop by, I'll be in the area.
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Old 11-27-2019, 09:00 AM
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It is encouraging to see a American buyer moving to replace NAFA. However NAFA and FHA were auction houses and always provide the Real market Value for our furs less commission and drumming. A cash buyer must always bid lower than estimated market price to protect himself from a poorer/lower auction result later in the year. The positive is "Cash/Bird in hand". Just my thoughts!

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Old 11-27-2019, 12:26 PM
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Groeny is a little different in that he has his own markets so I believe hes not shipping to say nafa and fha trying to turn a profit like most buyers do. I'll be shipping to fha, but am interested to see what he'll be paying. Lots of guys in the states end up better selling to him than they would to nafa after commission etc.
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Old 11-28-2019, 07:58 AM
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Well, lucky for you, you will have a Saskatchewan option, you probly know that by now? Don Gordon is on board. I suspect he'll be setting up buying locations as well.
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Old 11-28-2019, 08:07 AM
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It is encouraging to see a American buyer moving to replace NAFA. However NAFA and FHA were auction houses and always provide the Real market Value for our furs less commission and drumming. A cash buyer must always bid lower than estimated market price to protect himself from a poorer/lower auction result later in the year. The positive is "Cash/Bird in hand". Just my thoughts!
I wouldn't stereotype this company, they are different, they have done a massive amount of wild fur promotion around the world and have many, many, many direct customers. Do watch the "Guy Groenewold In A Chinese Fur Mall" video on facebook... absolutely mindblowing... 1 km long malls four stories high filled with fur stores, and little ranch mink to be seen and these people are heavily entrenched in that land.

Groenewolds was NAFA's largest competitor in the wild fur scene. Funny thing is most Canadian trappers never heard of these people! They bought massive volumes of fur at NAFA, all wild. These people pay established world market prices, often levels that they directly establish.

Interesting times ahead as we push on in the new post-NAFA landscape.
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Old 11-28-2019, 08:49 AM
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Marty, thanks for the additional clarification on them, as you said will be interesting times without NAFA.
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Old 11-28-2019, 09:46 AM
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Well, lucky for you, you will have a Saskatchewan option, you probly know that by now? Don Gordon is on board. I suspect he'll be setting up buying locations as well.
Ya Don's about an hour away, options are always good.
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Old 11-28-2019, 09:09 PM
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I donít think that GFW will do as well out West as they do in the US. We have a pretty good logistical network of fur depots as opposed to down in the States. Iíve seen what American Trappers are getting for their fur from local buyers and itís absolutely ridiculous. When GFW comes in and pays a little more it looks like a great bargain.

Iím pretty sure that GFW wonít be offering as much as what you would get at auction otherwise, whatís the point? If you can get $100 for a pelt at auction, based on reasonable expectations, selling for immediate payment at $80 isnít all that appealing to someone that doesnít need the cash right away. It might be what some people want though, who knows. Kind of like Payday Loans where you get money right away at a cost?

Itís not something that Iím Interested in but it might be a good option for other people......for whatever reason. Itís nice to have the option available.
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Old 11-29-2019, 05:29 AM
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Just wondering if you had any info on what quality of fur GFW was buying at Nafa in the past? Was it the high end middle lower end? I think itís great there is another option
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:25 AM
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When a buyer comes and looks at your fur, does he pay with cash or by cheque? I know that being payed with a cheque from a travelling fur buyer would be a chance that I personally wouldnít want to take. Especially when there have been cases of fur chequeís bouncing. Itís a shame, but in todayís world, trust isnít what it used to be.
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Old 11-29-2019, 05:45 PM
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When a buyer comes and looks at your fur, does he pay with cash or by cheque? I know that being payed with a cheque from a travelling fur buyer would be a chance that I personally wouldnít want to take. Especially when there have been cases of fur chequeís bouncing. Itís a shame, but in todayís world, trust isnít what it used to be.
I’m out 500$ from a NAFA bounced cheque so what’s the difference
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Old 11-30-2019, 11:28 PM
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Dave, youre right, Alberta didnt need another low paying fur dealer. If these folks were just another run of the mill buyer then i wouldn't have jumped on board. Im a commission buyer, just paid a set amount per head. The have set levels to pay and i pay those set amounts by grade. Those established levels are called world market levels.

Rod, GFW would generally have fur bought for them by their broker, he bought everything from hogh end cats and lynx to wolves to ermine. Quite the guy, a wealth of knowledge.

As it isnt safe to drive around with gobs of cash, cheques and wire transfers are common today. If that isnt good enough you can send your goods to auction and get their cheque and hope they dont go bankrupt. I cantvaffotd to hire an amoured truck to follow me around all da!

Do note... NAFA isnt the first wild fur auction to go bankrupt. Perhaps study relatively recent history.
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Old 12-01-2019, 12:08 AM
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Are you going to be buying all grades of Yotes, Marty, or just the higher, marketable grades?

Iíd also be curious if youíll be buying deer, elk and moose hides.

The first auction will tell the tale when the auction prices less drumming and commissions are compared to GFW prices.
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Old 12-01-2019, 11:12 AM
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I guess I like model of our past ATA president Gordy K. He would pay cash and you had a real store/building. If Gordy grossly under payed for pelt you could come to his outdoor supply store, let him know you were not pleased, and not buy any traps from him.
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Old 12-01-2019, 06:49 PM
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The fellows weíve been dealing with the past few years come out on site and pay us cash. No problem.
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Old 12-02-2019, 05:51 AM
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Safety is a huge issue when travelling with that much cash. Returning with a truck load of fur (at today's prices) not so much. This year may be more of a gamble for fur buyers.
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Old 12-02-2019, 08:13 AM
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Bottom line is this is a second option for western trappers to send fur. Try some fur to build a relationship and see what prices are like, or have a place to unload some fur without sending to auction and waiting and hoping for the best. Get a quicker return on some funds. This is going to help keep our market alive in our jurisdiction. It will have its PRO's and CON's just like sending to auction. This will work better for some people, it wont work for everybody and making everybody happy is impossible.

Thanks Marty for helping get a second market for fur to our area.
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Old 12-02-2019, 08:43 AM
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Well been there done that back in 1978 selling to fur buyers like many others did , like Big Grey Wolf said they always bid lower than market to protect themselves & they do have to make a profit which is part of the their business . Like others have said on here its nice to have another option for those that want it . Of course time will tell between Auction /commission/drumming etc. & Groenewold prices .
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Old 12-03-2019, 12:03 AM
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Well, word of advice for those who want to just dabble... bring some quality goods if you want to see the big prices! If you show up with just run of the mill average IIís we wonít get to have any fun!
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Old 12-05-2019, 12:36 PM
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Itíll be nice to know what an average will look like once people start selling without cherry picking the good ones. With the dollar the way it is they should be able to offer a fairly good price.
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Old 12-05-2019, 03:14 PM
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For some reason rough averages of what they can or will pay seem to be top secret. I can drive 15 minutes and drop off for fha, or I can drive 60 mins one way and find out. I'd think if they really wanted to buy a pile of coyotes they'd be telling everyone that they will be paying x amount for whatever quality. Than let people decide if they want to risk fha or take the cash and run. Not just come in and well have some fun wtf does that mean.

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Old 12-05-2019, 03:21 PM
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For some reason rough averages of what they can or will pay seem to be top secret. I can drive 15 minutes and drop off for fha, or I can drive 60 mins one way and find out.
In all fairness how could they give you a rough average. On coyotes you may or maynot have at this moment? I can tell you the prices paid will vary from a couple bucks to a 100 or so. Take your catch, invest 60 minutes in satisfying your curiosity and if your not happy drop your fur of at FHA depot on the way home. Easy LOL!!
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Old 12-05-2019, 03:25 PM
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Tons of buyers give out rough averages of what they will be paying it's pretty simple really. It's called a rough Ave for a reason not a guarantee.
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