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Old 07-16-2018, 06:23 PM
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So I just revived 24 new goldtip name game arrows cut them and decided to se what the weight bare shaft. So I started and ended with 263.8gr to 269.0gr
4 gr. spread between 24 arrows. I contacted goldtip with no response yet. What does a guy do? Only thing I can think is cut them different lengths to get weight closer together or should I just shoot them as is ??
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:46 PM
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I'd shoot them as is. You can reduce the difference be weighing and sorting your components so the heavier components go into the lighter shafts and vice versa. Afterwards, the difference in weight will likely be insignificant to the total weight once you add the insert, point, nock, and fletching; a 5 grain spread on a 400 grain finished arrow is a 1.25% max difference between 24 arrows.

Gold Tip sorts their dozen arrows by weight code (sticker on the front of the box will show the weight code), which may explain why in 24 arrows you're seeing a difference of ~5 grains as you may have received 2 different weight codes for each dozen.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:17 PM
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So I just revived 24 new goldtip name game arrows cut them and decided to se what the weight bare shaft. So I started and ended with 263.8gr to 269.0gr
4 gr. spread between 24 arrows. I contacted goldtip with no response yet. What does a guy do? Only thing I can think is cut them different lengths to get weight closer together or should I just shoot them as is ??
A couple of questions :

1) are they fletched already? If not, don't bother weighing until so.
2) is that finished weight? If so, unscrew the points and separately weigh those too.

I've had really good luck separating shafts and points, then weighing each independently and putting them in order from lightest to heaviest; same with the points. Pen and paper help here. Take the heaviest shafts, match it with the lightest point and vice-versa. Keep going until all shafts have a corresponding point. I can usually get the finished shafts to weigh with no more than 1-2 grains difference with the variance that you have listed.

Give it a try; it may work for you.

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Old 07-16-2018, 08:39 PM
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So I just revived 24 new goldtip name game arrows cut them and decided to se what the weight bare shaft. So I started and ended with 263.8gr to 269.0gr
4 gr. spread between 24 arrows. I contacted goldtip with no response yet. What does a guy do? Only thing I can think is cut them different lengths to get weight closer together or should I just shoot them as is ??
I used to shoot xweaves that where 6grs apart between a dozen. I shot groups out to 98yds that wouldn't miss a deer's heart without issue. They also tuned up just dandy with slick tricks.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:59 PM
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I don’t have anything put together yet
I have weighed the Knox
I have weighed the inserts
I have weighed the shafts

I will weigh the blazers tomorrow and maybe start putting things together.
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Where did you get the arrows from? Were they a pack of bare shafts? All the Goldtip bare shaft packs have a weight code. Which arrow are they and what straightness tolerance?

With 24 arrows...you likely have two different weight codes, you may have to further separate them into 2 separate dozens.

I just did up a set of el-cheapo prefletched “Goldtip Warrior” arrows, cut and and install components and they were all within 2gr...for the whole dozen.

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Old 07-17-2018, 02:01 PM
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Where did you get the arrows from? Were they a pack of bare shafts? All the Goldtip bare shaft packs have a weight code. Which arrow are they and what straightness tolerance?

With 24 arrows...you likely have two different weight codes, you may have to further separate them into 2 separate dozens.

I just did up a set of el-cheapo prefletched “Goldtip Warrior” arrows, cut and and install components and they were all within 2gr...for the whole dozen.

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Lefty, I’m on a limited budget this year, but need to get some new arrows before the season starts. Are those warriors decent enough to hunt with, and do you know what the price is for them at jimbows? Haven’t been in there for quite awhile myself.
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Lefty, I’m on a limited budget this year, but need to get some new arrows before the season starts. Are those warriors decent enough to hunt with, and do you know what the price is for them at jimbows? Haven’t been in there for quite awhile myself.
The Warrior 340 are the same as the Hunter and Hunter XT but the straightness tolerance is not as good.

I was shooting field tips out to 120 yards the other night and they fly fine. You might have to fiddle a bit more to tune with a fixed blade but spine is spine and they are the same GPI as the Hunter in the same spine. I don’t think you would have an issue personally.

I use the warriors in place of my actual hunting arrows when I travel south to TAC, they are cheaper to destroy if I miss . I think they run about $120/12

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The Warrior 340 are the same as the Hunter and Hunter XT but the straightness tolerance is not as good.

I was shooting field tips out to 120 yards the other night and they fly fine. You might have to fiddle a bit more to tune with a fixed blade but spine is spine and they are the same GPI as the Hunter in the same spine. I don’t think you would have an issue personally.

I use the warriors in place of my actual hunting arrows when I travel south to TAC, they are cheaper to destroy if I miss . I think they run about $120/12

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That’s a great idea to run them on the long shots that you’ll more than likely miss and drive em into a rock. I’m not looking for anything fancy. They sort of remind me of the old beman hawks that I bought when I first got into archery. Nice price too. As long as I can get em shooting out to 40-50 yards, I’m happy! Thanks for your help Kris.
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That’s a great idea to run them on the long shots that you’ll more than likely miss and drive em into a rock. I’m not looking for anything fancy. They sort of remind me of the old beman hawks that I bought when I first got into archery. Nice price too. As long as I can get em shooting out to 40-50 yards, I’m happy! Thanks for your help Kris.
You can buy them in 1/2 or 1doz lots, ask the boys to borrow the arrow spinner and pick ones that spin the best for you (as long as they are six of the same Pre-fletched colour I can’t see an issue). Then you basically get a primo shaft at a bargain price.

I still like to use a good arrow for hunting but I am kind of anal with my setups

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That’s a great idea to run them on the long shots that you’ll more than likely miss and drive em into a rock. I’m not looking for anything fancy. They sort of remind me of the old beman hawks that I bought when I first got into archery. Nice price too. As long as I can get em shooting out to 40-50 yards, I’m happy! Thanks for your help Kris.
If you're looking for a really solid arrow at a low price, don't discount the Cabela's Stalker Extreme arrows. The consistency of spine and straightness on these is really remarkable and they sell for $110/dz. Here's a video of one that I tested on my Ram Spine Tester - consistency of the spine rivals many of the pro grade arrows which means far less tuning to get them all flying the same.

https://imgur.com/a/6fcpArK
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Old 07-18-2018, 10:53 AM
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You can buy them in 1/2 or 1doz lots, ask the boys to borrow the arrow spinner and pick ones that spin the best for you (as long as they are six of the same Pre-fletched colour I can’t see an issue). Then you basically get a primo shaft at a bargain price.

I still like to use a good arrow for hunting but I am kind of anal with my setups

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I hear you on using a good arrow, I prefer to buy something better, but I’ve been unemployed for a couple weeks now, and doesn’t look like much union work coming up anytime soon. So I might be waiting awhile to get back to work. I wonder if the boys would take a trade on some drywall repairs around the shop?? I know that they had some holes in the walls there, the last time I was out there! Lol!!
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If you're looking for a really solid arrow at a low price, don't discount the Cabela's Stalker Extreme arrows. The consistency of spine and straightness on these is really remarkable and they sell for $110/dz. Here's a video of one that I tested on my Ram Spine Tester - consistency of the spine rivals many of the pro grade arrows which means far less tuning to get them all flying the same.

https://imgur.com/a/6fcpArK
A buddy of mine shoots the cabelas arrows, they are made by Easton. I’ve heard that they are a decent arrow. However, I really would like to give my business to a local company when I can. Thanks for your information. I’m going to check out your video now.
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A buddy of mine shoots the cabelas arrows, they are made by Easton. I’ve heard that they are a decent arrow. However, I really would like to give my business to a local company when I can. Thanks for your information. I’m going to check out your video now.
The Cabela's arrows are made by Easton and are actually a rebranded Beman ICS Hunter (Easton owns Beman). I agree with trying to support your local businesses as much as possible, but if you're on a budget, it's really tough to argue with the price and consistency of the Cabela's arrows. I've heard a lot of negative comments and misinformation regarding Cabela's arrows including how they're the rejects that didn't make tolerances, but my testing of over 4 dozen of their arrows state otherwise. They definitely meet their standards for straightness, and the spine uniformity is significantly more consistent than arrows costing double.

In my experience, the Cabela's Stalker Extreme arrows are rated the same consistency as the Hunter XT arrow (and they do meet their tolerances, even more so than the Hunter XT line) while being priced similar to the Gold Tip Warrior arrows (which actually are Hunter arrows that did not meet tolerances).
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