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07-18-2019, 07:00 PM
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At what point do you consider a barn cat "feral"?
Was out fencing today and as I neared a patch of bush I noticed what looked like a skunk. The 22 came out and as I got the critter into my scope I realized I was looking at a large black and white cat not a skunk.
Now I know a lot of people are going to freak out but here's how I see it. A cat living out in the wild all on its own is feral and therefore a pest that can have quite an impact on things like grouse and if left unchecked can cause quite a lot of issues.
I did not dispatch this particular feline as I knew its origins were from the neighbors about a mile away. Thinking about it afterwards lead me to the question.
How far away from civilisation does a cat have to be before it's considered a pest?
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07-18-2019, 07:37 PM
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In my opinion once a cat is off it's owner's property on it's own ,it's a target. Any pet for that matter.
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07-18-2019, 07:41 PM
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All cats are feral.
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07-18-2019, 07:54 PM
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The second it steps an inch off the owner's property line..
These invasive pests kill hundreds of millions of native birds per year in Canada alone.
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07-18-2019, 08:20 PM
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Far from his home he gets a chance to be coyote bait, he wanders onto my place he better be perfectly behaved.
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07-18-2019, 08:28 PM
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Yep, I have no cats on my farm, they do more harm then good. Kill song birds that I happen to be a big fan of, tear the hell out of everything in the saddle shed, and **** and crap all through the wife's flower beds. If people like their cats so much keep them on their place, my animals stay on mine. They fall into the gopher/squirrel/magpie category for me and I do care what people think of it.
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07-18-2019, 08:32 PM
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I wish I could have a few barn cats. As soon as we get any about the first night they venture outside the barn the coyotes get them.
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07-18-2019, 08:49 PM
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My Skunk/Cat trap hasn't come out of the shed this year, not seeing many around here. A cat or for that matter a dog should stay on it's own property, if it wanders off & is caught in my yard & turned over to Sylvan bylaw & has a license the fine is:
$130 (first offence)
$260 (second offence)
$360 (third and continuing offences)
If it's feral they went to Klassic Kennels in R/D who had a barn cat adoption program that was quite successful.
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07-19-2019, 05:30 AM
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All cats are feral.
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So are the Cougars at the legion
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07-19-2019, 05:28 AM
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In my opinion once a cat is off it's owner's property on it's own ,it's a target. Any pet for that matter.
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Nope....if it's just wondering around then take it up with the real azzz which is the owner.....select your azzz target accordingly.
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07-19-2019, 08:16 AM
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Quote:
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In my opinion once a cat is off it's owner's property on it's own ,it's a target. Any pet for that matter.
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Do you feel the same way about children ?
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07-19-2019, 09:49 AM
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Do you feel the same way about children ?
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Assinine post.
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07-19-2019, 08:07 PM
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Assinine post.
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May be so but saying any pet is a target is assinine....your dog walks on some idiots property and he feels he can put a bullet in it???? Thats just being a douche.
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07-20-2019, 08:57 AM
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At what point
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May be so but saying any pet is a target is assinine....your dog walks on some idiots property and he feels he can put a bullet in it???? Thats just being a douche.
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X2! This meathead shouldn’t be allowed to own a gun.
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07-20-2019, 01:43 PM
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Quote:
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May be so but saying any pet is a target is assinine....your dog walks on some idiots property and he feels he can put a bullet in it???? Thats just being a douche.
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My or your pet that 'wanders" isn't in control. they get what they get. Use a leash sir.
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07-21-2019, 08:26 AM
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Quote:
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May be so but saying any pet is a target is assinine....your dog walks on some idiots property and he feels he can put a bullet in it???? Thats just being a douche.
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In the end, it's your responsibility to confine your pet to your property. I've shot a couple of cats that made the Pet Cemetary version look good, they'd obviously been out for a while.
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07-19-2019, 02:56 PM
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Children no
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07-19-2019, 09:21 PM
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Yes.
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07-19-2019, 10:26 PM
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07-19-2019, 10:27 AM
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In my opinion once a cat is off it's owner's property on it's own ,it's a target. Any pet for that matter.
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So you are ok with shooting some child's pet dog, horse, cow, cat just because they got out even though you don't know the circumstances of how it happened? I could see if it was a repeat and they were harassing something but that's not always the case.
Touches close to home to me. Growing up we had a dog that followed the horses when we chased cows. The dog had always found its way home after. Except one time it showed up in a neighbors yard as it had got lost on its way and that neighbor shot him. He wasn't harassing anything as the owner never had animals and the dog wasn't big nor was he aggressive. Shot him just because it went on his property trying to find its way home.
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07-19-2019, 08:10 PM
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So you are ok with shooting some child's pet dog, horse, cow, cat just because they got out even though you don't know the circumstances of how it happened? I could see if it was a repeat and they were harassing something but that's not always the case.
Touches close to home to me. Growing up we had a dog that followed the horses when we chased cows. The dog had always found its way home after. Except one time it showed up in a neighbors yard as it had got lost on its way and that neighbor shot him. He wasn't harassing anything as the owner never had animals and the dog wasn't big nor was he aggressive. Shot him just because it went on his property trying to find its way home.
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That happened one time to me years ago. After that my neighbor ran into a very long string of extremely bad luck and ended up moving.....too bad cuz he lost a lot of money on his house. Oh well.
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07-19-2019, 11:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewM
So you are ok with shooting some child's pet dog, horse, cow, cat just because they got out even though you don't know the circumstances of how it happened? I could see if it was a repeat and they were harassing something but that's not always the case.
Touches close to home to me. Growing up we had a dog that followed the horses when we chased cows. The dog had always found its way home after. Except one time it showed up in a neighbors yard as it had got lost on its way and that neighbor shot him. He wasn't harassing anything as the owner never had animals and the dog wasn't big nor was he aggressive. Shot him just because it went on his property trying to find its way home.
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See this is where it gets tricky. Cats are well known and documented to live off in the bush as feral animals and cause quite a nuisance. Dogs, and horses are not known for that. Iv seen the odd cow bordering on feral but we won't go there lol.
Thus was my main reason for the post. A dog or horse 2 miles from home is likely lost but a cat 2 miles from home is most likely feral. At what point does a cat go from stray pet to runaway nusiance?
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07-21-2019, 10:02 AM
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See this is where it gets tricky. Cats are well known and documented to live off in the bush as feral animals and cause quite a nuisance. Dogs, and horses are not known for that. Iv seen the odd cow bordering on feral but we won't go there lol.
Thus was my main reason for the post. A dog or horse 2 miles from home is likely lost but a cat 2 miles from home is most likely feral. At what point does a cat go from stray pet to runaway nusiance?
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Horses, cows, goats, bulls and dogs all can cause a lot of damage if they get into the wrong spot.
It’s a fine line and a slippery slope is all I was getting at.
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07-21-2019, 12:44 PM
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OK, so let's see if I got this right. It was a long time ago when the earth was green, there were all kinds of animals than you've ever seen. They ran around free before man was born. We had green alligators and some long neck geese, some humpty back camels and some chimpanzee's, some CAT'S and rats and elephants and cuz they are not allowed to roam..... that's why we have no Unicorn's. Those damn invasive horned horses.
Not to worry man has killed pretty much every animal that walked and stalked this earth. I am also not a big fan of cats, except on a farm. They have a job to do but can get out of hand. Your worried about cat's crapping in the flower bed? Get a dog or one em up Get a Manx Cat. Very territorial and no problem with any critter. OK I'M DONE. Time to go play pool and let those @*%$!! squirrels take over.
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07-19-2019, 07:22 AM
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Not sure how people keep mice out of equipment and buildings without cats. We have 7 to 10 cats at any one time here around the farm, without them the mice destroy equipment, everything in the feed shed, twine, nest in hoses and spare parts, etc.
Our cats keep the mice in check, would never be without them. I also see the cats out in the pasture killing gophers and regularly bring pocket gophers in from the hayfield. Yes, they wander and yes some dont make it home. To me they are a necessity.
Our native bird population is flourishing here, just for those who are wondering. Some evenings there are 40-50 American Goldfinch on the feeders, every tree swallow house raised a batch of young and the Baltimore Orioles behind our shop had a successful nesting.
Seagulls and magpies kill more young birds here than any of our cats do.
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07-19-2019, 07:48 AM
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If it's not my cat, it's feral. Greatest cause of song bird mortality.
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07-19-2019, 10:50 AM
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If it's not my cat, it's feral. Greatest cause of song bird mortality.
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nope....got cats...no mice....lots of song birds....they start their daily ritual about 0400hrs...natures alarm clock!
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07-19-2019, 11:13 AM
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nope....got cats...no mice....lots of song birds....they start their daily ritual about 0400hrs...natures alarm clock!
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House Sparrows are not a songbird, they are a plague.
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07-19-2019, 12:07 PM
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House Sparrows are not a songbird, they are a plague.
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When were House Sparrows mentioned? Yeah, them and Starlings and Pigeons are invasive but this is about the other several hundred species of native birds
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07-19-2019, 02:49 PM
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black caped chickadee's.......
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