" Idle No More"

[Winch101]

I just caught the tag line on the CBC this Morning . It stated

that there would be " Idle No More " demonstrations across Canada

today . I thought great , a bunch of retired people protesting that they cant get a job because of their age. Cant get a raise in the CPP. I figured I would
head down there ..

Good thing my wife was home to straighten me out...on this one...

Not sure what to say on this one ,I think Sun News reported that
band chiefs make more money than our prime minister. I cant see
that being true ...can you... I just saw on cbc protestors picking up
signs in brand new cars .....cant be that tough out there ...

Squeeky wheel gets the grease ....I am waiting for the Canadian Tax Payers Federation to start calling rallies ...to give the tax payers perspective
on fiscal responsibility....

Now on Fox news I kinda get the idea that the revolution is near
and I am improperly armed....oh well merry Xmas-holiday

[Albertadiver]

Getting sick of the 'hard done by' rhetoric.

They have far more access to funds, programs, grants, lands, etc. than all other Canadians. Yeah yeah, it's a complex problem. But most don't take advantage of what they have.

Saw some comments and interviews by the protestors and its nothing new.

Oh. And ibtl

[rwm1273]

My kids are treaty native. My ex was native. I learned my lesson, but still paying for it. When she wanted to make me suffer, and prevent me from being a father, she used the race card. Other then being born on a reserve, she never lived there. In fact she was raised by a good Ukrainian family. But as I have been told by many people, you can take the native from the reserve, but you can't take the reserve from the native. In her case, that is somewhat true. She is not a substance abuser, but she definitely has an entitlement complex, which is often the case with many from the reserve.

I may sound like a racist with this post, but as my lawyer pointed out to the courts, I am far from a racist, since I married a native woman, and I wanted to continue to raise my children. I have never talked badly about their culture, but am very good at pointing out what their culture is, not what it has become. Too many natives have forgot that.

[brownbomber]

Originally Posted by rwm1273

My kids are treaty native. My ex was native. I learned my lesson, but still paying for it. When she wanted to make me suffer, and prevent me from being a father, she used the race card. Other then being born on a reserve, she never lived there. In fact she was raised by a good Ukrainian family. But as I have been told by many people, you can take the native from the reserve, but you can't take the reserve from the native. In her case, that is somewhat true. She is not a substance abuser, but she definitely has an entitlement complex, which is often the case with many from the reserve.

I may sound like a racist with this post, but as my lawyer pointed out to the courts, I am far from a racist, since I married a native woman, and I wanted to continue to raise my children. I have never talked badly about their culture, but am very good at pointing out what their culture is, not what it has become. Too many natives have forgot that.

I usually like what you got to say rwm. But I just can't sit on that. I know you had a bad experience and I know you love your kids. But I've met a lot of jerks that were from a reserve, ukaranian, polish, Heinz 57 etc. The majority of people from reserves are good people just wanna keep on moving. I know its easy to see the lazies and losers. Not so obvious are the hard workers and good people. I won't deny there is truth to every stereotype but to say you can't take the reserve out of the native is pure bunk. My .02 have a gooder

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by brownbomber

I usually like what you got to say rwm. But I just can't sit on that. I know you had a bad experience and I know you love your kids. But I've met a lot of jerks that were from a reserve, ukaranian, polish, Heinz 57 etc. The majority of people from reserves are good people just wanna keep on moving. I know its easy to see the lazies and losers. Not so obvious are the hard workers and good people. I won't deny there is truth to every stereotype but to say you can't take the reserve out of the native is pure bunk. My .02 have a gooder

Your right there are a lot of good people on reserves, and I know some pretty good people there too. I also know a lot that I wish I had eyes on the back of my head to keep watch of. Yes my statement was a stereotype, but like you say, has some truth. For me, it is the bad ones that have ruined it for the good ones, and sadly, it is those bad ones who also often come from the band leader's family, and then punish the good ones for being good. There is also another native term used, apple, red on the outside, white on the inside. The natives tend to pick on the ones who do good, and push them away. Perhaps that is the fault of the white man putting them onto reserves. My ancestors removed their way of life, but I still pay for it.

I have also spent some time in the arctic and have had some dealings with the native crowd up there. Again lots of good people, and some not so good. It is the bad ones I remember. Hard to come away with a good memory when your vehicle gets broken into, and your gas gets stolen regularly, and you are kept up all night by drunks outside your hotel window.

How do you explain the Attawapiskat videos last year? All these houses run down and nobody in them seemed to care about that, but expected the government to look after it for them. A drive through nearly any reserve, and you will see the same. Dilapidated cars spread about the yards, uncut grass, broken windows, graffiti, garbage. etc.

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by Winch101

I just caught the tag line on the CBC this Morning . It stated

that there would be " Idle No More " demonstrations across Canada

today . I thought great , a bunch of retired people protesting that they cant get a job because of their age. Cant get a raise in the CPP. I figured I would
head down there ..

Good thing my wife was home to straighten me out...on this one...

Not sure what to say on this one ,I think Sun News reported that
band chiefs make more money than our prime minister. I cant see
that being true ...can you... I just saw on cbc protestors picking up
signs in brand new cars .....cant be that tough out there ...

Squeeky wheel gets the grease ....I am waiting for the Canadian Tax Payers Federation to start calling rallies ...to give the tax payers perspective
on fiscal responsibility....

Now on Fox news I kinda get the idea that the revolution is near
and I am improperly armed....oh well merry Xmas-holiday

I bet there are more non native executives making more money than our PM too....what's your point? You think it's not right for an Indian to make big money?? ;-)

[Lefty-Canuck]

This will be the first time alot of these folks have even shifted out of idle....






I kid.... I kid....

LC

[stephane]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

I bet there are more non native executives making more money than our PM too....what's your point? You think it's not right for an Indian to make big money?? ;-)

yes I'm sure that's exactly what he meant.

Perhaps he is referring to the fact that the dispersal of funds throughout the community might be a bit of a problem? Because if that detail of income is a fact, it would prove that its not a hard life for all as it is portrayed by some....

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by stephane

yes I'm sure that's exactly what he meant.

Perhaps he is referring to the fact that the dispersal of funds throughout the community might be a bit of a problem? Because if that detail of income is a fact, it would prove that its not a hard life for all as it is portrayed by some....

Chief Louie makes good money, so does the chief of the Okanogan band...why should they disperse their income? Your suggesting that people think natives should be communists? How absurd.

Native communities have rich, middle class and poor people the same as any community. On a per capita basis they have more poor than other identifiable groups.....if you think it's portrayed as a 'hard life for all' your views are skewed.

[stephane]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

Chief Louie makes good money, so does the chief of the Okanogan band...why should they disperse their income? Your suggesting that people think natives should be communists? How absurd.

Native communities have rich, middle class and poor people the same as any community. On a per capita basis they have more poor than other identifiable groups.....if you think it's portrayed as a 'hard life for all' your views are skewed.

I am not stating that I personally feel they all have it rough, far from it in fact.
However that is an opinion that has been expressed to me by members of local reserves that I have worked with.
Nor am I stating they do not have a right to earn their own decent pay.
I AM however expressing the fact that as you said, the bands happen to have a higher ratio of poor to wealthy.

It is not a problem that is exclusive to any identifiable group, but it is a problem that has been identified before. The problem I am referring to is more money making its way towards the pockets and specific interests of a select few, instead of being put to use towards the general health and living situation of the community as a whole.

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by stephane

I am not stating that I personally feel they all have it rough, far from it in fact.
However that is an opinion that has been expressed to me by members of local reserves that I have worked with.
Nor am I stating they do not have a right to earn their own decent pay.
I AM however expressing the fact that as you said, the bands happen to have a higher ratio of poor to wealthy.

It is not a problem that is exclusive to any identifiable group, but it is a problem that has been identified before. The problem I am referring to is more money making its way towards the pockets and specific interests of a select few, instead of being put to use towards the general health and living situation of the community as a whole.

And that probably has a lot to do with how the contribution agreements are written. By the time they account for administration, MERCs, equipment rentals, insurance etc....there is a minimal amount left to trickle down from the amounts provided by the agreements.

[209x50]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

Chief Louie makes good money, so does the chief of the Okanogan band...why should they disperse their income? Your suggesting that people think natives should be communists? How absurd.

Native communities have rich, middle class and poor people the same as any community. On a per capita basis they have more poor than other identifiable groups.....if you think it's portrayed as a 'hard life for all' your views are skewed.

On a per capita basis Indian chiefs are the highest paid politicians in Canada.

[300-510]

Maybe the Iranians could help.

[unclebuck]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

I bet there are more non native executives making more money than our PM too....what's your point? You think it's not right for an Indian to make big money?? ;-)

I have no problem with an indigenous Canadian making a potfull of cash, as long it is not on my tax dime. A good friend, native, is a multimillionaire, through hard work, not expecting something for nothing, and just plain smarts and seat of the ass good sense!! Does Chief Louis come to mind? I guess that is why BC(bring cash) is so bending to their every whim & wish. Perhaps you should give your cash to the nearest rez, and thank them very much for not giving you an accounting of where it went.

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by unclebuck

I have no problem with an indigenous Canadian making a potfull of cash, as long it is not on my tax dime. A good friend, native, is a multimillionaire, through hard work, not expecting something for nothing, and just plain smarts and seat of the ass good sense!! Does Chief Louis come to mind? I guess that is why BC(bring cash) is so bending to their every whim & wish. Perhaps you should give your cash to the nearest rez, and thank them very much for not giving you an accounting of where it went.

To back and read post #13.....if you want an accounting make a request under freedom of information. It's just far easier to make unsubstantiated accusations than it is to seek out the facts.....

On another tangent....who says its your tax dime?? Goverments, federal-provincial-municipal, collect taxes from individuals, from corporations, from value added taxes, from royalties on resources and from export taxes. (to name a few). We commonly refer to the government as the 'Crown'. You understand that the property of the 'Crown' is the property of the citizens of this country and as such as Citizens of Canada monies distributed to First Nations is just giving them a portion of their share of the wealth being held by the Crown.
It's not YOUR dime, it's ours collectively. :-)

[ESOXangler]

I want money from England because they I invaded my mothers home land! Or maybe it's the French that owe me because of the Norman conquest of 1066, but then again those guys were not French cues thy were Viking who had previously invaded France, or it could e the franks who took over France before that, or maybe I should chase the pope for my fair square. As te Romans ruled the world once!

So many to blame, so little time!

[pickrel pat]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

I want money from England because they I invaded my mothers home land! Or maybe it's the French that owe me because of the Norman conquest of 1066, but then again those guys were not French cues thy were Viking who had previously invaded France, or it could e the franks who took over France before that, or maybe I should chase the pope for my fair square. As te Romans ruled the world once!

So many to blame, so little time!

Lol. yup. i want money too now that you mentioned it!

[Mb-MBR]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

I want money from England because they I invaded my mothers home land! Or maybe it's the French that owe me because of the Norman conquest of 1066, but then again those guys were not French cues thy were Viking who had previously invaded France, or it could e the franks who took over France before that, or maybe I should chase the pope for my fair square. As te Romans ruled the world once!

So many to blame, so little time!

Big difference, is they invaded and conquered your mothers homeland, Treaties were negotiated in good faith here.............well was supposed to be good faith.

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

I bet there are more non native executives making more money than our PM too....what's your point? You think it's not right for an Indian to make big money?? ;-)

I think the point is that many of these native making big money is from money they get from the government that is supposed to go towards the people they are to represent. Why should the band council get huge salaries when the rest of the band lives in dilapidated houses?

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by rwm1273

I think the point is that many of these native making big money is from money they get from the government that is supposed to go towards the people they are to represent. Why should the band council get huge salaries when the rest of the band lives in dilapidated houses?

LOL, why should our MPs be getting those huge salaries while so many Canadians live in poverty? After all it's money they get from the government. The money they collect in huge wages and expense accounts is obscene!! Not to mention the golden pensions 4 or 5 times the average Canadians income!!
We have seniors in Canada that have to choose between heat in the winter or food....while the money that is supposed to be used to support them goes to politicians and overpaid bureaucrats.

Things are the same from a different perspective....you want natives to assimilate and then beatch when they do exactly the same thing they see you doing.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by rwm1273

I think the point is that many of these native making big money is from money they get from the government that is supposed to go towards the people they are to represent. Why should the band council get huge salaries when the rest of the band lives in dilapidated houses?

Can they not do some upkeep themselves? Are they forbidden from putting in some trees and flowers, painting the trim, updating the siding, hauling broken vehicles to the dump? Should they not use some of the money they earn working every day to side and shingle their residences? They are, from what I believe to be true, given a home. If they don't like it why destroy it, why not improve it? Put up a fence, paint it, mow the grass, put in a garden, show some pride in your home.

(I'm not disagreeing with you rmw1273)

[Mutter87]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

I bet there are more non native executives making more money than our PM too....what's your point? You think it's not right for an Indian to make big money?? ;-)

Make it right, not of the back of the White Tax payer.

[Alberta Bigbore]

Originally Posted by Mutter87

Make it right, not of the back of the White Tax payer.

I pay taxes

[Mutter87]

Originally Posted by Alberta Bigbore

I pay taxes

Listen, I hope I did not offend you, I am not trying to make this into an Indian vs White guy issue, Just seems that the Indians always say "The Whiteman" in regards to their problems.

[overparr]

I gotta kick out of the chief who was suppose to be on a hunger strike for over 3 weeks she looked healthier than me lol

[Bundo1980]

Who does this woman think she is, i am sure there are more pressing issues for Mr. Harper on his daily sched than bending it to fit her demands.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-pm-s...--finance.html

[waterhawk]

Fargineyesore: You state in your post #277:

"There were no "Indian" wars here in Canada to my knowledge."

You may want to look up the Cree indians involvement in the 1885 rebellion. Some Crees made serious war on the whites at that time. The cause was they were starving and Indian agents were holding back government supplies that were meant for them.

We are all sitting at computers that will give more information than we could ever digest on any given subject. It may be helpful if some guys would take some time and do some research before they make commments on something they do not know anything about.

The same applies to comments from OA members about native treaty rights. How many of you have actually read the treaties and the historical records about what went on when the treaties were negotiated. It is all available on the computer you are reading this on.

[Fisherpeak]

Yes Hawk and I agree that sucks huge.BUT that was then ,this is now.
Traditionaly the Chiefs were entrusted with the security and welfare of their people.If 90 buffalo were taken and the Chief kept 87 how long do you think he/she would be the boss?
Our tax dollars are being stolen from the people who need the money the most,the band members.The Chiefs and Council members are getting stinking rich off the backs of their brothers and sisters.And children and grandchildren.
And that is a goddamn crime in any book.
Legaly and most especialy moraly.
I can`t believe her boyfriend has started a save the Chief donation fund.
Sickening,just bizzare and sickening.

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by Fisherpeak

Yes Hawk and I agree that sucks huge.BUT that was then ,this is now.
Traditionaly the Chiefs were entrusted with the security and welfare of their people.If 90 buffalo were taken and the Chief kept 87 how long do you think he/she would be the boss?
Our tax dollars are being stolen from the people who need the money the most,the band members.The Chiefs and Council members are getting stinking rich off the backs of their brothers and sisters.And children and grandchildren.
And that is a goddamn crime in any book.
Legaly and most especialy moraly.
I can`t believe her boyfriend has started a save the Chief donation fund.
Sickening,just bizzare and sickening.

And this is exactly why I have issues with the native community as a whole. It is not just the lazy ones that upset me, but the ones who know better, but do it to their own.

I do have some native friends, and in fact married a native woman, and have treaty status children. Not all natives are bad, but those that are, ruin the image for the rest. And I am very tired of being labeled the "evil white man."

[bb356]

Originally Posted by Winch101

I just caught the tag line on the CBC this Morning . It stated

that there would be " Idle No More " demonstrations across Canada

today . I thought great , a bunch of retired people protesting that they cant get a job because of their age. Cant get a raise in the CPP. I figured I would
head down there ..

Good thing my wife was home to straighten me out...on this one...

Not sure what to say on this one ,I think Sun News reported that
band chiefs make more money than our prime minister. I cant see
that being true ...can you... I just saw on cbc protestors picking up
signs in brand new cars .....cant be that tough out there ...

Squeeky wheel gets the grease ....I am waiting for the Canadian Tax Payers Federation to start calling rallies ...to give the tax payers perspective
on fiscal responsibility....

Now on Fox news I kinda get the idea that the revolution is near
and I am improperly armed....oh well merry Xmas-holiday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCYDBcxNFi8