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Old 11-23-2017, 11:23 AM
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To be clear I am not worried about being a nice guy and am not riding any fence. You seem to have difficulty interpreting what I wrote. If you try again you should be able to interpret and understand the fact that I made two specific points in response to Shortgrub's post. One, he owns the land and does not own the deer he referred to as his. Secondly I fully understand and appreciate Shortgrub's efforts to do what he can to restore a healthy mule deer population on and around his land. For that, I consider him a good steward of wildlife. I suggest you read the current thread regarding Civility. I think you may gain some perspective.
My perspective is just fine. I do find it funny that you want me to see it your way and you're ignoring the fact you failed to see it HIS way. You did use a passive aggressive way to may your point and you even defined that it this above post. I pointed that out, and that it's uncalled for. Then you get preachy about civility. Huh. You're right I should read this all again.

BTW this thread is actually about a land owner with over a township of property being likely to close his land to sportsmen because of poachers and his concern for the herd quality on his property.

And you felt the need to chirp him about who owns the Wildlife. But you did it like a nice guys so thats ok.

I will go back and read the thread on civility again if you would look up the definition of relevance.

I wont be responding to this thread further.

Again I hope the OP finds some sportsmen to share his interest in herd development and he continues to take ownership in the well being of wildlife on his property.
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Old 11-23-2017, 11:52 AM
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What is the point of this thread? To tell us that there are poachers out there and that everything is now closed to us, presumably ethical and law abiding hunters? Thanks!
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:04 PM
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What is the point of this thread? To tell us that there are poachers out there and that everything is now closed to us, presumably ethical and law abiding hunters? Thanks!
Yes pretty much sums it up its now “closed” poor me I for one am taking my ball and going home.
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:05 PM
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The priority should be catching the scumbags that did this, and holding them accountable. Closing off the property to everyone will not punish the scumbags, because they aren't the kind of people that ask for permission anyways. In fact keeping responsible hunters off of the property just reduces the number of potential witnesses, if the scumbags return.
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:05 PM
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My perspective is just fine. I do find it funny that you want me to see it your way and you're ignoring the fact you failed to see it HIS way. You did use a passive aggressive way to may your point and you even defined that it this above post. I pointed that out, and that it's uncalled for. Then you get preachy about civility. Huh. You're right I should read this all again.

BTW this thread is actually about a land owner with over a township of property being likely to close his land to sportsmen because of poachers and his concern for the herd quality on his property.

And you felt the need to chirp him about who owns the Wildlife. But you did it like a nice guys so thats ok.

I will go back and read the thread on civility again if you would look up the definition of relevance.

I wont be responding to this thread further.

Again I hope the OP finds some sportsmen to share his interest in herd development and he continues to take ownership in the well being of wildlife on his property.
I could care less if you see it my way. From your posts that would concern me. For someone who regards themself as an interpretation of words expert you are a little careless with the use of yours.
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:07 PM
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The ranch has been closed to hunting since 1994 until 2014, we are trying to build back some good mule deer genetics. In 2014 we opened up to bird and some deer hunting. Now due to the lose of one of my non typical mule deer by two dirt bags in a Toyota. I see myself having to close the ranch again, as I have lost one of my prime breeding stock for future generations. That will be 9000 acres of deeded land CLOSED!!
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What is the point of this thread? To tell us that there are poachers out there and that everything is now closed to us, presumably ethical and law abiding hunters? Thanks!
i think he wanted to talk about how crappy his land is.

i mean really 20 years of no hunting on 9000 acres and you can't even get a decent buck
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Old 11-23-2017, 01:17 PM
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i think he wanted to talk about how crappy his land is.

i mean really 20 years of no hunting on 9000 acres and you can't even get a decent buck
Lol!
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Old 11-23-2017, 04:02 PM
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I reckon the argument of closing down my land to hunting due to a couple of inbred poachers is akin to arguing for the banning of all firearms because some non-law abiding nut job went on a shooting spree.

IMHO better to have a posse of trust worthy hunters watching my small chunk of land than leaving it open to poachers who don't care if it is posted in the first place.

Not my land though so do what you think is best.

Hopefully F&W will be able to track down the culprits and put some hurt on them. Hopefully they have been contacted.

Re the comment about mule deer population, some interesting reading here

http://www.wafwa.org/Documents%20and...date_Final.pdf

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The 2016 pre-hunting season population estimate of mule deer in Alberta is 151,135 and reflects the most robust estimate provided in recent years. The population increase from 2015 can be attributed to a mild winter in 2015/16 and a more complete provincial database for mule deer population information. The population goal in Alberta’s most recent management plan for this species (1989) is 97,000. However, a new provincial management plan for mule deer is currently being written and this will see a change in the provincial population goal that is much nearer to the current population estimate.

Interest in mule deer hunting continues to increase in Alberta. The number of antlered mule deer special license applicants increased in 2015 (up to 75,112 from 70,668) along with the number antlerless mule deer special license applicants (up to 32,292 from 29,151). Based on voluntary hunter harvest surveys, during the 2015 hunting season 37,858 mule deer hunters in Alberta directed an estimated 255,915 days hunting for mule deer, producing an estimated Range-wide Status of Black-tailed Deer and Mule Deer ~ 2016. harvest of 14,792 mule deer (~47% antlered deer) with an average provincial mule deer hunter harvest success rate of 28%. The 2016 hunting season will support ~10,000 antlered mule deer special license and ~16,000 antlerless mule deer special licenses in addition to certain Wildlife Management Units (WMUs) providing unlimited licenses to harvest mule deer.

Alberta also supports a healthy commercial hunting industry, with approximately 1,500 antlered mule deer licenses available for non-residents through outfitter-guide allocations. There is an unknown number of rights based hunters in Alberta that do not require a license to hunt for sustenance and thus information on effort and harvests by this group is unknown.

Chronic wasting disease (CWD) is present in Alberta, primarily in eastern Alberta along the Saskatchewan border. Prevalence in 2015/16 increased to 2.4% (n=4,929 deer heads tested), up from 2.1% in 2014/15 (n=4,163 deer heads tested). In 2015/16, CWD was detected in 6 additional WMUs where CWD was not known to occur. In Alberta CWD occurs primarily in mule deer and males. Local prevalence in mule deer bucks in some WMUs exceeds 15%. More information on CWD in Alberta is found at http://aep.alberta.ca/fish-wildlife/...s/default.aspx
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Old 11-23-2017, 06:10 PM
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I hear where your coming from SG, sad indeed.
First off, thank you for sharing with us on the AO Forum,,, I know it's not easy sharing information like this on a open forum little lone the Hart felt emotions that one feels in side.

Not only you my friend, but many of the folks on this forum. It is truely disturbing since you come from the farm / ranch life style,,, much like our family roots from Southern Alberta area.
As well as the rest of us on this forum across the Province.
All of us have harts and feelings with mixed emotions on the awful news that has transpired.

Yes that some things have been said on this forum, purhaps it's partly due to each persons post that has escalated more fustration.
This only fuels the divide of folks with up standing good intentions that really want to further expand relationship with country folks so they can "hopefully increase" their chances/ odds of harvesting a critter.

The way of life thing,,, ok, we all know that times and things have changed. I'm sure all of wish that we could turn back the clock, but we can't. The unforchanet thing is that farmers/ ranchers along with the rest of us fall when things fall apart,,, its not very often that folks see the rewards of positive changes when it comes to land access.

All of us can see the writing on the walls SG, not only your self, but most land owners / lease holders run into this from time to time.
Our family along with others has seen the dark side of human acts,,, but over all we hope we see the Hart spark side more often.

There is a humanity in more than the less crowd,,, the saddest part is that "someone or ones" robbed this from you, us on the AO Forum as well as the rest of the good honest hard working men and women that truely enjoy the grate out doors, actives relating to this and a chance to share it with future generations.

True shame that this situation came apon you, your family, friends, and nabour folk.
To those that read my post, your welcome to say what you choose. That's what this forum is for, and purhaps why this thread got stated.

I ask this since I've always been a question fellow.

"If you were wearing SG's shoes and this happened on your property, lands, home stead, lease property, what would you of said in your opening statement.

I'm guessing if the shoe was on the other foot, the ideas would be much different.
Yes, I agree, SG purhaps used the wrong word regarding the Deer post in context,,, but this happens.
I could of been wrong for this, all of could of used the wrong words.
I know deep down inside side that SG mistakenly used them and there was no chance to edit after the fact.
This has happened to me and many others on this forum.

The worst part of this whole situation is the waisted deer, the persons(s) that did it, and one of our own up standing brothers on this forum that gets it not only from the clown(s), but partly from some of the posts.

Sorry for the long post, but in the heat of the moment if I was in SG's shoes, even I could of slipped up.
Only because this is what humans do.
All of us can do 10 or 100 rights, but if we select the incorrect words, then it brings out the unpleasant-ness at times.

Again, I'm truely sorry to you and your family SG. Your a stand up fellow with the right intentions towards ideas of wizer management of lands and habitat.
Our family practices this in our area and will continue to do this for years to come.

Pal Don as our old home stead of Big Stone is a place we still call home.
Alway more wrong than right.
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Old 11-23-2017, 06:26 PM
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[QUOTE=Don_Parsons;3674192]

I ask this since I've always been a question fellow.

"If you were wearing SG's shoes and this happened on your property, lands, home stead, lease property, what would you of said in your opening statement.

I'm guessing if the shoe was on the other foot, the ideas would be much different.
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It happens.
I put signs of NO HUNTING without permission.
The size of the property would determine how many hunters per day.
I would trade permission for license plate #, name and phone #.
And ask that they report all other vehicles or people they see to me asap.

Closing access to everyone does not change the rules for the trespassers. They will still come. With hunters with permission there are a few sets of eyes looking out for your property.
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Old 11-23-2017, 06:53 PM
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What is the point of this thread? To tell us that there are poachers out there and that everything is now closed to us, presumably ethical and law abiding hunters? Thanks!
To make it clear that those who poach are the cause of land access closures, pretty straight forward.....well for most it is anyway. Threads stsrted like this are exactly for guys like you and your little friend.

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Yes pretty much sums it up its now “closed” poor me I for one am taking my ball and going home.
NO poor me for the landowner he has lost nothing, it would be SA guys like you that have lost.

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Old 11-23-2017, 07:36 PM
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^ Who is my little friend?

For guys like me? Guys like me think it is an unreasonable thing to do. Guys like me mostly hunt the crown land in spite of having permission on a few quarters of land. Guys like me also understand that it is his land and he can do whatever he wants with it.

I had my trail camera set up on one of the quarters I have permission on. When I went to pull it out some time ago, I walked to a pile of guts not far from my camera. I knew there are only two people who have permission to hunt the property including myself. I knew the other guy was down with his hunt a month before that. I saw the poachers dragged the deer right in from my camera and I missed them just by an hour. They dragged the deer from the neighbouring property in order to access which they would have to drive by the owners (different guy) house. I informed the land owner and sent him the photos. I have no clue what he did with it, but he was very appreciative and I know our relationship will last for a while. And I know if I am not having any luck in the bush, I can come and harvest an elk on that property any day of the season. That’s what guys like me do.

And like I said in my previous post, thanks for letting us know.
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Old 11-23-2017, 07:48 PM
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Sorry, I forgot to add "lol" at the end.
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Old 11-23-2017, 07:59 PM
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Sorry, but I will make another post.

Maybe I am missing something and someone can explain it to me. The point of the first post was:

Some idiot(s) shot two deer dead and badly wounded another one from the road. By the looks of it they had no plans on retrieving the deer in the first place. I am mad as hell, so I am not going to let anyone hunt on my property.

Now that I wrote it, I am not sure I see the point. So what is the point of the thread, again?

Edit: I am not being an ***, I just truely do not understand.

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Old 11-23-2017, 10:36 PM
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What a lousy thing for someone to do. But I'm also not getting the purpose of informing the hunting community that criminal activity will be punishable by good folks suffering the consequences. Is one deer lost really the issue? We're you presently allowing mule deer hunters access? What if one of those hunters had killed this large Muley, would you have closed access at this point? Or are you saying no more bird hunting now? Good stewards of the land are as fed up as you, but also fed up of apologizing to land owners for them too. We can't make it right.
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Old 11-24-2017, 12:27 AM
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Shooting deer, or any animal, just for fun is deplorable and anyone who does it should be removed from the general population. Gulags are not necessarily a bad thing. But as has been said, poachers are going to poach. Banning all hunters or allowing anyone who asks on will have no affect on those types. But it is your land and you are free to do what you want with it. Personally I would post it and only open it up to family and close friends. But I am not a people person.

The other point you raised about closing the Ranch for 20 years though... those 2 decades had some pretty good years for mule deer population and size. If a large enough population was not established that it could not sustain the loss of 3 deer then I it is possible a new approach is required.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:32 AM
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To make it clear that those who poach are the cause of land access closures, pretty straight forward.....well for most it is anyway. Threads stsrted like this are exactly for guys like you and your little friend.



NO poor me for the landowner he has lost nothing, it would be SA guys like you that have lost.
Thanks for your input bobalong but
your wrong i have lost nothing .
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