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11-23-2017, 01:35 PM
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Summarize
To Summarize this,
Federal law only enforces you to have the non-restricted unloaded and out of sight.
Wildlife act enforces law pertaining OHV transport and falls back to federal for domestic vehicle transport.
(Any public land.)
Provincial park regulations states this,
(4) A person who is in possession of a firearm in a provincial park
or recreation area shall ensure that the firearm is unloaded and
(a) in a condition such that the barrel and stock are separated
and taken apart, or
(b) completely enclosed in a case or other covering designed
for that purpose
unless the person is engaged in an activity in which the discharge
of a firearm is allowed under subsection (1.1).
If you can't do (A) then (B) applies. Section (1.1) refers to special permits which either (A) or (B) may not apply.
But if you're carrying a permit to hunt in a park section (1.1) is arguable under many infractions in the wildlife act.
(Example, legal light to hunt is one.)
So to play it safe fall back to line (b) when passing or within a provincial park.
Like said before any officer under the crown can act on behalf of any other officers jurisdictions.
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11-23-2017, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeBouch
Unrestricted transport by federal only states the unrestricted firearm must be unloaded. If your vehicle is unattended you need to lock your doors with the unrestricted firearm hidden(out of sight).
Federal is enforced by RCMP.
Wildlife act pertains that all unrestricted firearms need to be locked up and or firing mechanism removed and ammunition locked up in a separate compartment.
Wildlife act is enforced by fish and wildlife cops.
So can RCMP give fines under the wildlife act?
Where's the line between wildlife act, provincial laws and federal laws?
Would a trigger lock be O.K? There is no mention that I can find under wildlife act saying it would be.
Anyone versed on this topic let me know if I'm on the right track?
Any help on this topic to clarify would greatly be appreciated.
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In reality they are all Peace Officers in, and for, the Province of Alberta and can enforce any Act in the Province.
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11-23-2017, 03:36 PM
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11-23-2017, 04:30 PM
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Unless they have transferred from different type of unit, most cops that you’ll encounter on the roads are traffic cops. They may know road law but know little else about specifics of most other laws. It doesn’t mean they don’t have access but if it’s not something they deal with routinely, they probably don5 know any better.
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Good lord. Who told you that? Because it ain't true.
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This thread is exactly why I roll my eyes when someone says a cop told them it is this way or that way on anything.
**NEWS FLASH** cops can say just about anything they want, whether they know anything on the subject. Most know jack squat btw.
It's widely known that the 6 week wonders who come outta Depot in Regina know jack squat about firearms or the firearms act. Heck most of them hardly know the HTA.
It's widely noted that these members of the Queens Cowboys are told to act in their best judgement and lay what they figure is the appropriate charge, and then let things sort themselves out either through their supervisor, or the crown prosecuter.
Nobody needs to look any further than the bogus charges laid against a CFSC instructor in BC (FSJ/Taylor) a few years back. He got charged with improper storage of a firearm, while it was in transport(non restricted) it went all the way to the Crown Prosecuter till it got dropped, seemed the member and his supervisors could read their own pamphlet correct.....
Of course not even an apology got issued.
The cops interpret to their limited knowledge, the Crown pursues charges if they see necessary transgressions, the Judge applies the law and sets precedence.
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11-23-2017, 05:35 PM
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Good lord. Who told you that? Because it ain't true.
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Both cops and lawyers that I have or have had within my circles. How do you expect a cop, who has had a few months of training, to do what a lawyer does, and then specializes in for years of school? I’m not about to start an argument but I firmly believe this based on my experiences and who has confirmed this for me. You have your opinion on the matter and I have mine, both derived from what we have seen and been around.
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11-23-2017, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Scottmisfits
Both cops and lawyers that I have or have had within my circles. How do you expect a cop, who has had a few months of training, to do what a lawyer does, and then specializes in for years of school? I’m not about to start an argument but I firmly believe this based on my experiences and who has confirmed this for me. You have your opinion on the matter and I have mine, both derived from what we have seen and been around.
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That's fine you have an opinion but you're misinforming people because it's not true. I believe youve miss understood your group of friends.
There is no such thing as "road" cops. Inside of agencies there are specialty Traffic Units but its not for junior officers.
There are Sheriffs and peace officers that only enforce provincial acts like the TSA if thats what you speak of.
But the OP said it was an RCMP member that he interacted with and what you suggested about them is in error, and I cant state that as a fact not opinion.
It is more likely that he has come from another province and transferred his understanding of their provincial laws to here or is flat out mistaken.
Any police officer in Canada is well aware of the Criminal Code. To what extent depends only on aptitude and experience. There are none that only know road laws.
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11-23-2017, 07:17 PM
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Did I say they don’t know anything? Again, I’m done debating it.
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11-23-2017, 08:15 PM
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Ya it is definitely hard when your dealing with Municipal, Provincial, wildlife act and federal laws that all over lap and intertwine. Then you throw in parks act to the bowl of law soup.
Easy to make mistakes when its not all in one place telling you the way it is.
I was pretty sure I was good and I wasn't about to argue with a Mountie and if you do let us know how it goes  lol.
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11-23-2017, 08:16 PM
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most cops that you’ll encounter on the roads are traffic cops. They may know road law but know little else about specifics of most other laws.
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11-23-2017, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeBouch
Ya it is definitely hard when your dealing with Municipal, Provincial and federal laws that all over lap and intertwine. Then you throw in parks act to the bowl of law soup.
Easy to make mistakes when its not all in one place telling you the way it is.
I was pretty sure I was good and I wasn't about to argue with a Mountie and if you do let us know how it goes lol. |
Pointing out to any officer that they are mistaken in the same you way you would want to be treated should not result in any issue. Like everything in life, its how you go about it. I recall doing it on a traffic stop. We both had a laugh and went our ways without me getting a bad ticket or lip.
People watch too much television and accept it as gospel.
And you're right; our society is obsessed with laws. Simple common sense laws and practices would be great. Elected judiciary would be even better.
If all the Criminal down to municipal bylaws you have to be accountable to were printed onto letter sized paper in 12 font right now and you tried you lift it, heck you might bust a rib trying to lift it.
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
It sounds like a case of either another RCMP officer that doesn't know the laws pertaining to firearms, or an officer on a power trip being a bully.
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Brother in law and I went through a check stop. Both bolt action rifles on seat between us. Officer asks if loaded
" no they aren't"
"Can you work the bolt so I can see"
I reach for bolt and officer says ," oh never mind I can see the action is open"
I hadn't even touched bolt yet, the action was not open.
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11-24-2017, 11:13 AM
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[QUOTE=MikeBouch;3674302]Ya it is definitely hard when your dealing with Municipal, Provincial, wildlife act and federal laws that all over lap and intertwine. Then you throw in parks act to the bowl of law soup.
As Peace Officers, even the Railroad Cops get to play the Provincial law enforcement game as well. I got a Hwys Act ticket from one about a year ago... in Spruce Grove.
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11-27-2017, 09:17 PM
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It's very simple, if you have a bolt action , just remove the bolt and it is by law , no longer a firearm.
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11-27-2017, 09:22 PM
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It's very simple, if you have a bolt action , just remove the bolt and it is by law , no longer a firearm.
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Actually the receiver is still a firearm with or without the bolt, even though removing the bolt is an option for the legal storage of a firearm.
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