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01-13-2018, 03:48 PM
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Names for a baetis pattern i created
Hey guys looking for some input naming a fly i created. its a baetis so i tie it from 16 to about 22
tail: pheasant tail fibers
rib: utc small gold wire
gills: uv ice dub
wincase and legs: brown antron yarn
thorax: wapsi lifecycle caddis green. but use whatever best imitates the naturals
abdomen: olive or brown utc 70
we have already seen success with this pattern last year and this year. my dad caught a beautiful bow river rainbow on it in size 20 the first Saturday in january.
any input on a name for it would be sweet. thanks guys
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01-13-2018, 08:17 PM
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Just use your first name. e.g. Mary's baetis
Doesn't matter if it has a name. If it catches fish its a fly worthy of using. You know what it is and that's all that matters.
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01-13-2018, 09:26 PM
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Nice pattern!!..... Army Baetis
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01-14-2018, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ShortsideK
Just use your first name. e.g. Mary's baetis
Doesn't matter if it has a name. If it catches fish its a fly worthy of using. You know what it is and that's all that matters.
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Hold on there Quickstraw, naming flies is part of the tradition of fly tying that goes back hundreds of years!
I like Army baetis for this one.
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01-14-2018, 08:58 AM
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How about the "Olivia Wilde"? Along the same lines as the "Sharon Stone".
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01-14-2018, 10:19 AM
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+1 Army baetis
Last edited by StiksnStrings; 01-14-2018 at 10:19 AM.
Reason: spelling
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01-14-2018, 03:36 PM
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How about bumble baetis
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01-14-2018, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Flyguy
Hold on there Quickstraw, naming flies is part of the tradition of fly tying that goes back hundreds of years!
I like Army baetis for this one.
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Don't know the rational for "Army" baetis, but I'm not overly fond of this name.
We all tie "variations" of known patterns and never consider giving them a new name. At least I certainly don't waste my time with that.
There are already lots of patterns that have names that I think are dumb, but if I like the pattern, I tie it and use it, regardless of the name.
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01-14-2018, 06:34 PM
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ring neck olive
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01-14-2018, 09:48 PM
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ring neck olive
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thats clever
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01-14-2018, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortsideK
Don't know the rational for "Army" baetis, but I'm not overly fond of this name.
We all tie "variations" of known patterns and never consider giving them a new name. At least I certainly don't waste my time with that.
There are already lots of patterns that have names that I think are dumb, but if I like the pattern, I tie it and use it, regardless of the name.
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So how did you come across the "Chernobyl Hopper" pattern? By looking up "weird foam body thingy with rubber legs" ?
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01-14-2018, 07:27 PM
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So how did you come across the "Chernobyl Hopper" pattern? By looking up "weird foam body thingy with rubber legs" ?
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Another pattern with a "dumb" name. Could I enjoy fishing and never knowing it existed... absolutely! I find a lot of "variations" have these "cutesy" names. Spare me.
Maybe that's what bugs me. I'm not against naming "new" patterns. I'm against giving them BS names.
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01-13-2018, 11:15 PM
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Thanks for the input guys
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01-14-2018, 07:12 AM
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Good on ur old man for getting a fish on the surface already....x2 for ARMY lol
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01-15-2018, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rasta
Good on ur old man for getting a fish on the surface already....x2 for ARMY lol
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Don't think he caught it on the surface? It's a weighted nymph pattern, fished sub-surface.
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01-15-2018, 11:10 AM
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There are a few different ways that flies come to be named: by the originator,
Skip Nymph-originated by Skip Morris, Clouser Minnow-originated by Bob Clouser, Klinkhamer special-originated by Hans van Klinken. (see the pattern here)
by the materials used: Pheasant tail nymph, elk hair caddis, etc.
by the action or food item the fly is meant to portray: Stimulator (action), Muddler minnow (food item)
just because: Tom Thumb, Chernobyl ant, Yummy mummy, Sex dungeon, etc.
In the end, naming a fly is up to the creator of the fly if they wish. Otherwise it will come down to the users of the fly if it becomes popular to pick a name that easily identifies the fly to others. Personally I like flies to have names because it allows me to get information during a day fishing. When I ask my buddy what fly he caught that last fish on, "An orange stimulator." or "a size 14 chromie" carries a lot more information to me than, "A big orangey-yellow thing with a hair wing and some hackle" or "A little shiny buggy thing I tied up last night".
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01-15-2018, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by professori
There are a few different ways that flies come to be named: by the originator,
Skip Nymph-originated by Skip Morris, Clouser Minnow-originated by Bob Clouser, Klinkhamer special-originated by Hans van Klinken. (see the pattern here)
by the materials used: Pheasant tail nymph, elk hair caddis, etc.
by the action or food item the fly is meant to portray: Stimulator (action), Muddler minnow (food item)
just because: Tom Thumb, Chernobyl ant, Yummy mummy, Sex dungeon, etc.
In the end, naming a fly is up to the creator of the fly if they wish. Otherwise it will come down to the users of the fly if it becomes popular to pick a name that easily identifies the fly to others. Personally I like flies to have names because it allows me to get information during a day fishing. When I ask my buddy what fly he caught that last fish on, "An orange stimulator." or "a size 14 chromie" carries a lot more information to me than, "A big orangey-yellow thing with a hair wing and some hackle" or "A little shiny buggy thing I tied up last night".
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Exactly!
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01-14-2018, 06:34 PM
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thanks for the input guys. i think the army baetis comes from the colours? im not really sure
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01-14-2018, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by newflyfisherman
thanks for the input guys. i think the army baetis comes from the colours? im not really sure
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Just want to say, I'm not knocking your pattern. Its well tied and obviously catches fish. Does it need a name? If you think it does... It does. Have fun with your tying.
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01-16-2018, 12:58 PM
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was not expecting this healthy of a discussion around this fly lmao. i think the reason i want to name it is because based on material selection and the construction of the fly i have not found another like it. it is similarly constructed to other baetis patterns but i think it stems from the profile that one looks to achieve to imitate a baetis nymph. as for what i would lean towards for a name this thread has called into question whether or not i should actually name the fly. as others have stated a name would help for commercial use which this fly more than likely would not be but on the same note i feel that any good pattern should have a name. the simple fact that it has proven to be a productive pattern might justify a name for it. i want everyone to feel free to tie it and fish it. it would help a lot to see whether or not it is actually as productive as i think it is. if anyone doesnt want to tie it feel free to message me and i will try and send you some. thanks again guys i really appreciate the healthy discussion around the topic
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01-16-2018, 04:06 PM
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Yes, the mid-winter blues leaves me (and others) with not much better to do than to cause trouble. Somewhat mentally stimulating.
Regarding sending out some of your ties, please send me 200 of assorted sizes. Hah! Kidding. No, I may tie a few of your pattern, but undoubtedly use different materials. Does that mean I should change the name (once you have finally decided on one)? Again, kidding.
Your enthusiasm lifts my spirits and I only wish you well.
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I think you should call the fly *Headcheese* or *Global Thermal Nuclear War*.
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I think you should call the fly *Headcheese* or *Global Thermal Nuclear War*.
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hahaha global thermal nuclear war is hilarious
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01-16-2018, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortsideK
Yes, the mid-winter blues leaves me (and others) with not much better to do than to cause trouble. Somewhat mentally stimulating.
Regarding sending out some of your ties, please send me 200 of assorted sizes. Hah! Kidding. No, I may tie a few of your pattern, but undoubtedly use different materials. Does that mean I should change the name (once you have finally decided on one)? Again, kidding.
Your enthusiasm lifts my spirits and I only wish you well.
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i suppose that sparks the debate to whether or not there are really any original patterns any more doesnt it lol any stonefly pattern would undoubtedly be a variation to a certain degree of the "original" stonefly pattern. or any mayfly nymph for that matter. i guess it all depends how you want to look at it.
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Flys are not like Coke or Pepsi,,, I think there might be one or two patterns with trademarks / patents, but for the life of me, I can't remember which ones!!!
At any rate when a fly comes off your vise or out of your fly box, you can call it any damn thing you want,,,, if you want to call an "Adams" by the name "Jones",,, go for it,,, it's just that nobody else will have a clue what you are talking about!!!
Fly fishing is so supposed to be fun,,, It is kinda fun coming up with a unique name for a fly you believe to be unique.
If it's a good name and a good fly, the name will stick as the fly gets spread throughout the flyfishing world. If the name and fly suck, it will be tossed aside and completely forgotten about by fly anglers and the originator will need to do something else to get his 15 minutes of fame!!!
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01-16-2018, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pikebreath
Flys are not like Coke or Pepsi,,, I think there might be one or two patterns with trademarks / patents, but for the life of me, I can't remember which ones!!!
At any rate when a fly comes off your vise or out of your fly box, you can call it any damn thing you want,,,, if you want to call an "Adams" by the name "Jones",,, go for it,,, it's just that nobody else will have a clue what you are talking about!!!
Fly fishing is so supposed to be fun,,, It is kinda fun coming up with a unique name for a fly you believe to be unique.
If it's a good name and a good fly, the name will stick as the fly gets spread throughout the flyfishing world. If the name and fly suck, it will be tossed aside and completely forgotten about by fly anglers and the originator will need to do something else to get his 15 minutes of fame!!!
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i agree with this. that is why i posted the recipe as well and not just a picture of the fly. i would love for others to tie it and let me know if it works for them! there is a certain degree of satisfaction in catching fish on a fly you tied.. and im sure having others catch fish on a pattern that you originated would be pretty neat as well. i guess we will just have to wait and see if anyone actually ties it and tries it out
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