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For a lot of years a carried a Grohmann #1 and it served me well. One day at a trade show I came across Cutco and bought one of their drop point hunting knifes for an around camp knife. I thought with their "forever sharp guarantee" what the heck. I used and abused it around camp and field dressed/skinned IIRC four moose and seven deer before I sent it back ($10 for postage) to be re-sharpened. In all that time I never ever put a stone, steel or hone to it. For well under your budget of $200 I think one would serve you well even if you felt the need to touch up the edge.
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440c was the standard stainless in 1995 and AUS8 had it beat even then. For over a decade 154CM has been the base and 420 and 440 cannot take an edge that compares nor hold an edge comparatively with the quality of heat treats being equal. Today 440 and even AUS8 isn't sold to hobby or custom makers because there isn't ​demand.

S30v and S35V will easily hold an edge 5x longer due to abrasion resistance alone over 440c. And the base 1084 carbon Grohman uses is just fine. But at 57 Rockwell (the norm for a carbon Grohmann) a metalurgist with experience would be happy to tell you they can name at least 10 steels that will hold an edge 5x longer than the best treated 1084. I use 80CRV2 when I chose a carbon (a recognized improved version of 1084) and treat it to 58 Rockwell. It's edge retention is noticeably better than the 1084 I've used.

There's a larger number of knives greatly better and that's the reason you can jump on waiting lists for makers that have production levels of output. Because people can tell the difference and they're willing to wait for it.
Please go ahead and tell us where you are finding premium steel for under $200 in a hand crafted knife. I am in the market for a new blade as I am worried about losing a couple of that hold sentimental value. A decent pocket knife with S30V or S35V is generally over a $200 budget.
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Please go ahead and tell us where you are finding premium steel for under $200 in a hand crafted knife. I am in the market for a new blade as I am worried about losing a couple of that hold sentimental value. A decent pocket knife with S30V or S35V is generally over a $200 budget.
Cabelas, Alaskan series Buck knives, S30V steel, $106 for the 110 folder, and about $215 for a fixed blade. All Buck's are hand finished. Not custom knives but U.S. made and well done. I have carried a 110 as my primary hunting knife for decades, have rarely needed to use any of the other 10 knives stashed away in the truck or hunting pack.

https://www.cabelas.ca/product/14186...by-buck-knives

My original rosewood handle Buck 110 that I have carried for 47 years, and a fancy S30V custom ordered from Buck that my wife gave me for our 35th wedding Anniversary in 2016, that I now use.


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Please go ahead and tell us where you are finding premium steel for under $200 in a hand crafted knife. I am in the market for a new blade as I am worried about losing a couple of that hold sentimental value. A decent pocket knife with S30V or S35V is generally over a $200 budget.
In a handmade knife you probably won’t be, but in reality if you did find one for that much or even twice that much odds are the knife maker didn’t heat treat the steel themselves anyway. Most knife makers don’t have a long list of steels they offer their knives in, usually only one or two, that is because they don’t have the recipes. Knife makers like to work with 1095, O1, be cause they are easy to work with. The newer “super” steels like S30V, S35V, 3V, Cruwear etc are far harder to work with.
Point is folks buying a custom in these newer super steels, are probably getting a semi production knife in the end.

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I've been carrying an original Russell since 1968, except for the year it was lost in my pasture. I believe the model is called the "Yukon Skinner". It's a dead ringer for the Grohmann #1, except for the lanyard hole in the tang.

The current Russell website doesn't show anything even close to what I've got; maybe even a different company with a coincidental name. Does anyone know the backstory? I doubt if there's a "patent" per se on a blade shape or style, glad to see Grohmanns producing them.

When I first got it, I thought it looked kinda goofy, but you have to use one to appreciate it.
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Please go ahead and tell us where you are finding premium steel for under $200 in a hand crafted knife. I am in the market for a new blade as I am worried about losing a couple of that hold sentimental value. A decent pocket knife with S30V or S35V is generally over a $200 budget.
"clint c" is selling a few in the $220 range....I'll bet he would sell you one for $199.99.

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Please go ahead and tell us where you are finding premium steel for under $200 in a hand crafted knife. I am in the market for a new blade as I am worried about losing a couple of that hold sentimental value. A decent pocket knife with S30V or S35V is generally over a $200 budget.
Lots of premium options have been offered on this thread and my response was to the context of yours specifically. If you'd like someone to chase your personal thoughts around in a circle until you feel you've won an argument, find someone else.
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https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru.../73010-clint-c

In case anyone wnats to get hold of him - Clint Chisan profile on CGN. Goes by user name clint c

Have seen lots of pictures of his work, never owned one of his knives, but read lots of great things about them.
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I've been carrying an original Russell since 1968, except for the year it was lost in my pasture. I believe the model is called the "Yukon Skinner". It's a dead ringer for the Grohmann #1, except for the lanyard hole in the tang.

The current Russell website doesn't show anything even close to what I've got; maybe even a different company with a coincidental name. Does anyone know the backstory? I doubt if there's a "patent" per se on a blade shape or style, glad to see Grohmanns producing them.

When I first got it, I thought it looked kinda goofy, but you have to use one to appreciate it.
Grohmann knives started as the Russell Best Knife. IIRC, they parted ways in the late 60's or early 70's.
Interesting backstory on Grohman's site: https://www.grohmannknives.com/index...grohmann-story

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Mr Deane H Russell of Ottawa Ontario invited Canadian outdoor writers to cooperate in conducting national scale inquiries among professional woodsmen and experienced sportsmen in an effort to discover the features most desired in a modern outdoor knife. Through a newspaper article Mr Grohmann met with Mr Deane H Russell and together they set out to design a truly Canadian knife. After field testing through hunters and trappers across the north, the DH Russell Best Knife #1 was born, which along with various other designs won many awards and recognitions worldwide. Grohmann and Russell created three more models together, the #2, #3 and #4.

Grohmann Knives Ltd was formed in 1961 by the family
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https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru.../73010-clint-c

In case anyone wnats to get hold of him - Clint Chisan profile on CGN. Goes by user name clint c

Have seen lots of pictures of his work, never owned one of his knives, but read lots of great things about them.
Clint does great work. I own two of his knives and a couple of buddies also own his knives after they saw and handled mine. They are all a custom fit and our own blade, handle and handle material design.

He only works with premium steel. Both of mine are in 3V steel.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=3v+st...client=gws-wiz
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I think a lot of people seem to ignore the basics when it comes to steel and edge holding or is chippy or is difficult to sharpen and so on... It applies to knives as well as woodworking tools etc.

A lot of the time, if you find a new blade is not keeping a good edge or it is chippy, if you give it a bit of time and some more frequent sharpenings, it will often get better. After initial heat treating and sharpening, with a new blade you may not be at the ideal steel until worn back slightly. It does happen, especially with more mass production heat treats as control is not quite the same as smaller scale heat treats.

Basics like softer steel is easier to sharpen extremely keen well but the edge doesn't last as long or harder hold a good edge longer but may not get quite as keen. By all means it may be more than keep enough either way but some guys prefer the edge you can get on softer steel just as other guys do not like sharpening as often.

Newer, harder steels need different media for sharpening effective than old school basic high carbon steels so if you find something hard to sharpen you may just need different sharpening media. Oil stones, for example, will do diddly on new super steels and you will want diamond media or japanese water stones which can be quite a bit more expensive, where as the regular high carbon steel you hear of old guys sharpening them on the back of an old ceramic plate.

If you find you edge is too chippy, maybe try a steeper sharpening angle, or if you like a keener edge for skinning try a shallower angle. Sharpen your blades according to the job they will be doing and you will maximize their useful working time. You certainly do not have one ideal knife for chopping through moose bone as well as filleting a fish as an extreme example.

Just like I am always trying to get across with tires, it is no different with knives. You will not satisfy every individual with one item so you need to figure out what is best suited to your own needs and wants.

As the saying goes... A jack of all trades is a master of none.
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Lots of premium options have been offered on this thread and my response was to the context of yours specifically. If you'd like someone to chase your personal thoughts around in a circle until you feel you've won an argument, find someone else.
I have no interest in arguing with you. You come on here and start bad mouthing a successful Canadian company that has been hand crafting quality knifes for half a century. You could have just made a suggestion and gave your opinion but instead you try to belittle another's opinion with nonsense or as you call it responding to the context of yours specifically. That is the definition of wanting to argue.
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You are correct, to me the Buck 110 is like Duratrac tires. Jack of all trades, master of none. However, like Duratracs, user skill can make up for a whole hell of a lot. I don't want to have to carry separate knives to have the best option for a skinning knife, a caping knife, a knife for splitting the rib cage, a knife for cutting lunch meat and another for camp chores. I can get a 110 Buck to do all of those perfectly fine, just have to keep it sharp. I actually own all those kinds of specialty knives, I just rarely ever use them. Others are far more particular and also willing to pack around multiple knives. I am good with them doing that. Kind of like guys that switch tires three times a year, I run the same tire year round on all my vehicles.

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I put the two favorite skinning knives my bother used on his trapline, in a tandem sheath.
There are a 1958 original Russel and a '62 bird knife.
The 1958 is marked D.H. Russel, l, no Grohmann.
The 1962 is marked D.H. Russel by Grohmann
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You are correct, to me the Buck 110 is like Duratrac tires. Jack of all trades, master of none. However, like Duratracs, user skill can make up for a whole hell of a lot. I don't want to have to carry separate knives to have the best option for a skinning knife, a caping knife, a knife for splitting the rib cage, a knife for cutting lunch meat and another for camp chores. I can get a 110 Buck to do all of those perfectly fine, just have to keep it sharp. I actually own all those kinds of specialty knives, I just rarely ever use them. Others are far more particular and also willing to pack around multiple knives. I am good with them doing that.
100% agree... Your analogy is a good one too! So many guys hate one thing versus another because they expected perfection in every aspect when it was only one aspect that was maybe not ideal. If a person can do well enough with one thing and meet their needs by driving (or cutting in this case lol) accordingly to the situation where required, they can absolutely get just fine by with a single product.

By the same token though, there is a place for specialization. As you say, you take one knife into the field and that makes total sense there, but if a guy was back at his butcher shop standing there doing a single job, hour in and hour out, he will more than likely go to the blade that makes that one job easiest.

Soooo many angles! (pun intended )
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Cabelas, Alaskan series Buck knives, S30V steel, $106 for the 110 folder, and about $215 for a fixed blade. All Buck's are hand finished. Not custom knives but U.S. made and well done. I have carried a 110 as my primary hunting knife for decades, have rarely needed to use any of the other 10 knives stashed away in the truck or hunting pack.

https://www.cabelas.ca/product/14186...by-buck-knives

My original rosewood handle Buck 110 that I have carried for 47 years, and a fancy S30V custom ordered from Buck that my wife gave me for our 35th wedding Anniversary in 2016, that I now use.


Nice! Here are the Buck folders that I have. The old 110 on the end used for many years, a new 110 with Micarta handles gifted to me by my kids, hasn’t really been used, still deciding if I should, has a drop point S35V blade. And on the end is my 112 I got from Buck custom knife shop has the S30V blade. I’ve been using this one the last few years, really like the finger grooves and slightly smaller size, looks don’t hurt it either.

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Grohmann knives started as the Russell Best Knife. IIRC, they parted ways in the late 60's or early 70's.
Interesting backstory on Grohman's site: https://www.grohmannknives.com/index...grohmann-story

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Thanks for that! I should have looked a little closer on their site. Explains everything.
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This thread made me pull out my dad's old Craftsman Old Crafty 95089... I love this knife!

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I put the two favorite skinning knives my bother used on his trapline, in a tandem sheath.
There are a 1958 original Russel and a '62 bird knife.
The 1958 is marked D.H. Russel, l, no Grohmann.
The 1962 is marked D.H. Russel by Grohmann
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One of my #4 says Russell Belt Knife Canada, no Grohmann

The other says DH Russell Belt Knife Canada, Grohmann, Pictou NS Canada on the other side.

The first one only needs a touch once a season. The other needs a good going over. The second one is from the late 70s IIRC but the first one I have no idea.
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The question in the original post is what lead me into making my own knives.
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Wow, my stuff sure doesn't look like your guys...


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Benchmade Saddle Mountain Skinner. Get one and don't look back sir. I own Grohmanns in high carbon and stainless and while very nice there's a difference. The Benchmade is a more substantial knife by quite a bit.

Knives are like rifles however. One person loves and the next hates. Just the way it goes. Dont know anyone who's held the Benchmade and didn't like the balance and feel.
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Please go ahead and tell us where you are finding premium steel for under $200 in a hand crafted knife. I am in the market for a new blade as I am worried about losing a couple of that hold sentimental value. A decent pocket knife with S30V or S35V is generally over a $200 budget.
Have a look at Warriors and Wonders. Use the filter to max $200, youll be surprised at how many quality knives you'll find in that price range.
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This thread made me pull out my dad's old Craftsman Old Crafty 95089... I love this knife!

Pretty sure those craftsman Old Crafty were made by Schrade Oldtimer. I have an old crafty pocket knife , virtually identical to my oldtimer knives.
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If you can find one of these old Kershaws ,they are a great knife and really hold an edge. I have had this for 30+ yrs and I think it was over $100 back then.

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This is my go to, but hard to find these days . the new ones are made in China this one is 40 yrs old now. I had a shoemaker sew the top cover onto the sheath because the knife kept falling out.

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Another oldy goldey The Uncle henry LB7 it is a big folder at 5" closed and 8.5" opened. I have never used this one.
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I have always used one of these knives! Great knives!
Has to be 35 years old! Many animals have been skinned out using this knife!
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I have always used one of these knives! Great knives!
Has to be 35 years old! Many animals have been skinned out using this knife!
Yes ,another great old knife. Not much to look at but they are a good knife.

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Pretty sure those craftsman Old Crafty were made by Schrade Oldtimer. I have an old crafty pocket knife , virtually identical to my oldtimer knives.
I agree , the folder sure looks like the LB7
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