Shootout in Calgary

[WayneChristie]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/com...t=share_button

[Albertadiver]

Scary thing is it's happening in all quadrants of the City, but does seem to be more common in the NE. Just had a shooting a few weeks ago in the NW walking distance from my home.

[fishtank]

Just another day in the hood…

[Smoky buck]

I don’t miss living in cities

Calgary is still tame compared to the lower mainland though

[badger]

I lived in LA, our machine shop was in the bad part of town. This is nothing.

[justsomeguy]

Got caught up in the roadblocks and traffic jams on this coming home.....they had several routes and side streets closed off and everyone was trying to jockey around......as soon as I saw the HAWKS chopper I new it wasn't a traffic jam so pulled a 180 and headed back to get around it.

[waldedw]

Not far from my sisters house they live on 52 and Manora that whole neighborhood has been going to the crapper for a long time now

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by fishtank

Just another day in the hood…

Double stabbing in Sundre a couple of days ago, seems no place is immune.

[Sloughsharkjigger]

According to AI.

Question: What do you do when shot at?

Answer: Return fire.

Question + Answer = Shootout

Makes mathematical sense.

[Scott N]

This guy is still holed up 14+ hours later.

[Sundog57]

Damn gun owners - the government should probably ban more guns - seems to be working pretty well so far

[Scott N]

I live a few blocks from this event, and the police helicopter has been in the air all night. I wonder what the cost to operate HAWCS for that long is?

[Pioneer2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZKDSQxXjVY

[elkhunter11]

Hopefully the shooter is killed, at least saving the taxpayers future costs, for trials, incarceration etc. And deceased criminals don't reoffend and put the public at risk again.

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Hopefully the shooter is killed, at least saving the taxpayers future costs, for trials, incarceration etc. And deceased criminals don't reoffend and put the public at risk again.

Interesting, what do you know that hasn't been released to the public ?

From what I know, police were shot at while trying to execute a search warrant. No injuries reported as from what is public.

So why do you feel this individual needs to be put to death ? Don't you think it is a bit extreme to wish death on someone ?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Interesting, what do you know that hasn't been released to the public ?

From what I know, police were shot at while trying to execute a search warrant. No injuries reported as from what is public.

So why do you feel this individual needs to be put to death ? Don't you think it is a bit extreme to wish death on someone ?

The fact that the suspect fired at the police indicates that the suspect was willing to use lethal force against the police. If the suspect is taken alive, he/she will almost certainly be released again, and will once again be a risk to the public. So it won't hurt my feelings one bit if the suspect is eliminated from society, and can never again threaten the lives of other citizens.

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The fact that the suspect fired at the police indicates that the suspect was willing to use lethal force against the police. If the suspect is taken alive, he/she will almost certainly be released again, and will once again be a risk to the public. So it won't hurt my feelings one bit if the suspect is eliminated from society, and can never again threaten the lives of other citizens.

So far there really are no "facts", shots may have been into the air, may have been a starter pistol for all we know.

We should let our courts determine the fate of this individual, court of public opinion usually does not have facts, only emotions to convict.

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

So far there really are no "facts", shots may have been into the air, may have been a starter pistol for all we know.

We should let our courts determine the fate of this individual, court of public opinion usually does not have facts, only emotions to convict.

Being served a warrant, shooting anything that goes bang at the cops, causing as multi day stand-off with said cops screwing up an entire neighbourhood = Feel sorry for this individual and give him a chance? Bwahahahahahaaa!

Just his level of stupidity earned him everything he gets.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZKDSQxXjVY

Bah, everyone knows that mechanical broadheads aren't effective.

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by tirebob

Being served a warrant, shooting anything that goes bang at the cops, causing as multi day stand-off with said cops screwing up an entire neighbourhood = Feel sorry for this individual and give him a chance? Bwahahahahahaaa!

Just his level of stupidity earned him everything he gets.

Who says I feel sorry for this individual ? I just questioned the idealism of the court of public opinion wishing death on the individual with-out any real facts Bob.

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Who says I feel sorry for this individual ? I just questioned the idealism of the court of public opinion wishing death on the individual with-out any real facts Bob.

Sometimes the situation dictates the reaction... The fact is this guy could be the most misunderstood, misrepresented, golden citizen of the century, but he got served a warrant and now has buried a big chunk of a major city in an armed standoff with the cops, and it is still going on. The minutia of the situation is irrelevant as to what got it there. He could have surrendered and waited for a lawyer but chose not to.

The results are his own fault.

*edit* I will concede though we do not know the specifics of what lead to a warrant. That is all speculation until we know otherwise. Again though, that is not what is motivating peoples reactions here... It is how we ended up where we are at this moment.

[graybeard]

Originally Posted by Scott N

I live a few blocks from this event, and the police helicopter has been in the air all night. I wonder what the cost to operate HAWCS for that long is?

The same amount it would be looking for your lost child....

They are duty bound; it is the cost of doing business and money is not a factor in some instances.

As for the exact incident location itself; if the police are met with deadly force then they return with deadly force....

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by tirebob

Sometimes the situation dictates the reaction... The fact is this guy could be the most misunderstood, misrepresented, golden citizen of the century, but he got served a warrant and now has buried a big chunk of a major city in an armed standoff with the cops, and it is still going on. The minutia of the situation is irrelevant as to what got it there. He could have surrendered and waited for a lawyer but chose not to.

The results are his own fault.

Let's slow this down a bit..... I commented to Elk about wishing death onto someone, a bit extreme in my mind. The lack of facts certainly does not warrant a death sentence to this individual.

I don't support the incident, nor the reaction...

[Geraldsh]

Don’t let the facts get in the way, as long as the guns are out may as well shoot someone.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Let's slow this down a bit..... I commented to Elk about wishing death onto someone, a bit extreme in my mind. The lack of facts certainly does not warrant a death sentence to this individual.

I don't support the incident, nor the reaction...

That's fair, Sledhead71.

I keep thinking about what will happen to us when the Great Gun Confiscation comes. So many people post on social media about how they won't hand their guns over.

The media will be full of reports of "Man with cache of guns in house involved with standoff with police". The court of public opinion would not be on that person's side.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Let's slow this down a bit..... I commented to Elk about wishing death onto someone, a bit extreme in my mind. The lack of facts certainly does not warrant a death sentence to this individual.

I don't support the incident, nor the reaction...

A year ago two EPS officers showed up to a home for a complaint and were shot and killed. If either of those police officers were my son, daughter, brother, father etc., I would want the shooter shot and killed.

Shooting at a gun at a police officer, setting off a starting pistol, shooting in the air, should be returned with lethal and deadly force.

BW

[Scott N]

Originally Posted by graybeard

The same amount it would be looking for your lost child....

They are duty bound; it is the cost of doing business and money is not a factor in some instances.

They aren't looking for a child, they were circling a house surrounded by dozens of CPS and RCMP for over 12 hours. If it cost $10,000 / hour to operate, was that a good use of resources? I'm all for officer safety, public safety, etc., but we don't have an endless supply of funding, unless we use Trudeau Math.

[graybeard]

Originally Posted by Scott N

They aren't looking for a child, they were circling a house surrounded by dozens of CPS and RCMP for over 12 hours. If it cost $10,000 / hour to operate, was that a good use of resources? I'm all for officer safety, public safety, etc., but we don't have an endless supply of funding, unless we use Trudeau Math.

Your Calgary council and budget are Liberals.......

IMHO, and eye in the sky is better than on the ground; tactically speaking, high ground advantage....Just sayin...

[Ackleyman]

Put a hole in him. Send a message to all the other losers that put Law Enforcement and the Public in danger. You shoot at people it's not ending good.

[CaberTosser]

While Hawcs is invaluable, they could get even better intel from 2-3 drones with IR cameras hovering low around the residence, at both less expense & less disruption to residents. That said, the chopper has a different psychological effect on the perp (if they’re sane or not high as a kite, anyways).

Hawc’s is certainly great for getting around the city & for following vehicles, but in a stationary situation such as this, drones can get way closer & pick up better footage for way less $$