Fishing Regulation Question

[Dale S]

To quote the regs. page 19 Fishing is prohiited by any method within 25 yards downstream of the lower entrance of any fishway,canal,obstacle or leap. Weirs and dams are considered obstacle. My question is, are irrigation drain ditches that drain in to the river and are the spill structures that are in these ditches fall under this rule.

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by Dago

To quote the regs. page 19 Fishing is prohiited by any method within 25 yards downstream of the lower entrance of any fishway,canal,obstacle or leap. Weirs and dams are considered obstacle. My question is, are irrigation drain ditches that drain in to the river and are the spill structures that are in these ditches fall under this rule.

yes ....because they list a ditch as a canal

[Mmtobias]

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

yes ....because they list a ditch as a canal

I agree

[hunted]

What if I fish at the upper entrence? The head gate at most reseviors are the uppere and entrence??? Now I'm just confused. But I have been check by F&W closer than this at a head gate and no problem??

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by hunted

What if I fish at the upper entrence? The head gate at most reseviors are the uppere and entrence??? Now I'm just confused. But I have been check by F&W closer than this at a head gate and no problem??

upside of the spillway is fine
ive spent 2 hours on the phone with 3 different officers
got 2 different answers.....but now im pretty sure ihave a good grasp of the law.

the word canal is the gray area

[Dale S]

It does'nt say any thing about fishing in the canel itself. as long as its not a facility or structure designed to capture, hold or facilitate the passage of fish. Or from fishing on the upstream side of it.Thats why I cant figure this rule out.

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by Dago

It does'nt say any thing about fishing in the canel itself. as long as its not a facility or structure designed to capture, hold or facilitate the passage of fish. Or from fishing on the upstream side of it.Thats why I cant figure this rule out.

if there is no specific regs pertaining to the canal...example LBR...then the general synopsis is law.

heres a example

you have a spillway 1 mile up the canal
where the water enters the canal from the spillway....you begin to mark 25 yards downstream....at the 26yard mark you can fish dwnstream of that mark

now if the regs for the canal are different than the lake itself.....then you do a imaginary line from shore line to shoreline at the point of entry of the canal.

[Dale S]

The canel falls under the definition of stream in the regs. There is no listing for the canel so you have to follow the no list rules.In the Bow River rules it does'nt include tributaries (which includes canels)as part of the listing.What if there are no spillways within a mile of entering river you should be able to fish in the canel on the upstream side of the river.I agree with you chubb about the spillways in the canel they are considered obstacles.

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by Dago

The canel falls under the definition of stream in the regs. There is no listing for the canel so you have to follow the no list rules.In the Bow River rules it does'nt include tributaries (which includes canels)as part of the listing.What if there are no spillways within a mile of entering river you should be able to fish in the canel on the upstream side of the river.I agree with you chubb about the spillways in the canel they are considered obstacles.

the 1 mile was just a example.....if there is no spillways your free to fish the entire canal...pending specific regs

[Braun]

i brought my giant spoon to stir the pot......


Oops.... wrong spoon.....


anyways.... so as the regs state:

page 19 Fishing is prohiited by any method within 25 yards downstream of the lower entrance of any fishway,canal,obstacle or leap. Weirs and dams are considered obstacle.

So if I count out my 25 yards say from a dam..... does that mean I have to cast straight out or down stream from that point or can I cast upstream towards the damn. People for some reason alway make a big deal about fishing close to a dam because the fish like the oxygenated water or whatever.

If im not allow to cast up towards the dam that means that it is illegal for me to fish in any water inside 25 yards from said structure. But what happens If I am fishing legally downstream and hook into a fish. Its a big one freaking out. Swims upstream into "illegal waters" am I expected to cut my line as my fish is now inside the above mentioned illegal waters?

[TyreeUM]

I don't know about alberta, but in sask you have to be STANDING x feet away from the control structure but it's not illegal to cast to it....Several places, for us, that ruling is for safety reasons, not to prevent you from catching fish below the structure...

[ssyd]

Originally Posted by Braun

If im not allow to cast up towards the dam that means that it is illegal for me to fish in any water inside 25 yards from said structure. But what happens If I am fishing legally downstream and hook into a fish. Its a big one freaking out. Swims upstream into "illegal waters" am I expected to cut my line as my fish is now inside the above mentioned illegal waters?

I'm sure not even the worst CO would argue with you over this. Rules are rules but at least in my experience CO's have been patient and forgiving.

[Freedom55]

Originally Posted by TyreeUM

I don't know about alberta, but in sask you have to be STANDING x feet away from the control structure but it's not illegal to cast to it....Several places, for us, that ruling is for safety reasons, not to prevent you from catching fish below the structure...

On which page of the fishing regulations guide did you read this particular bit of nonsense?

Allow me to quote: It is illegal to fish within 25 metres downsteam from any constructed dam or obstacle except where there is a ministry sign allowing fishing."

This regulation also appears in the Alberta Guide to Sportfishing Regulations, and again I quote: "Fishing is prohibited in any method within 25 yards (22.86m) downstream of the lower entrance of any fishway, canal, obstacle or leap. Weirs and dams are considered obstacles."

This is not a safety regulation as our young new friend from the U.S.A. and recently transplanted to Saskatchewan has suggested in his useless post. The reasoning behind this rule is the obstacle represents a trap for the fish on their upstream journey. The energy expended while looking for a way out forces those fish to feed and provides unethical anglers an opportunity to dangle baits in their noses. The proverbial fish in a barrel.

Tyee guy. Try a little (make that a lot) of ethical fishing in Saskatchewan before you become an expert on all things Albertan. My advice to you is to get out and try a little of our Western Canadian brand of outdoorsman activities then start commenting on how it is, or should be, done.

Another quote to digest. "The Alberta Guide to Sportsfishing Regulations is neither a legal document nor a complete listing of current sportfishing regulations. It is a summary..."

..."The official Statutes and Regulations should be consulted for all purposes of interpreting and applying the law."

But wait! There's more!

"Sport fishing in Saskatchewan is regulated by The Fisheries Regulations under The Fisheries Act (Saskatchewan 1994). For more information, consult a C.O." et cetera. et cetera. et cetera.

Try reading some of this stuff before you dispense your words of wisdom.

Free (loud and proud)

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

Dago , my suggestion to you is phone Fish and wildlife to get a clear answer and avoid any problems down the road .

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[Freedom55]

Originally Posted by Braun

... If im not allow to cast up towards the dam that means that it is illegal for me to fish in any water inside 25 yards from said structure. But what happens If I am fishing legally downstream and hook into a fish. Its a big one freaking out. Swims upstream into "illegal waters" am I expected to cut my line as my fish is now inside the above mentioned illegal waters?

Sorry to chop up your original post but I wanted to respond to this only.You can bet that if you are fishing an area where such a problem exists then the Warden will have observered and documented your activities before he steps up to you and demands to see your permit. These types of loopholes have been considered long before you bought your first license. Like burning your monofilament with a cigarette before you are busted for an illegal bait. Besides. If you are an ethical sportsman you will know if you are bending the rules to suit yourself.

Free

[Jasonp]

Look at u knowing everything freedom. Do you feel awesome?

[0liver]

Originally Posted by Jasonp

Look at u knowing everything freedom. Do you feel awesome?

don't feed the trolls.

[TyreeUM]

Originally Posted by Freedom55

On which page of the fishing regulations guide did you read this particular bit of nonsense?

Allow me to quote: It is illegal to fish within 25 metres downsteam from any constructed dam or obstacle except where there is a ministry sign allowing fishing."

This regulation also appears in the Alberta Guide to Sportfishing Regulations, and again I quote: "Fishing is prohibited in any method within 25 yards (22.86m) downstream of the lower entrance of any fishway, canal, obstacle or leap. Weirs and dams are considered obstacles."

This is not a safety regulation as our young new friend from the U.S.A. and recently transplanted to Saskatchewan has suggested in his useless post. The reasoning behind this rule is the obstacle represents a trap for the fish on their upstream journey. The energy expended while looking for a way out forces those fish to feed and provides unethical anglers an opportunity to dangle baits in their noses. The proverbial fish in a barrel.

Tyee guy. Try a little (make that a lot) of ethical fishing in Saskatchewan before you become an expert on all things Albertan. My advice to you is to get out and try a little of our Western Canadian brand of outdoorsman activities then start commenting on how it is, or should be, done.

Another quote to digest. "The Alberta Guide to Sportsfishing Regulations is neither a legal document nor a complete listing of current sportfishing regulations. It is a summary..."

..."The official Statutes and Regulations should be consulted for all purposes of interpreting and applying the law."

But wait! There's more!

"Sport fishing in Saskatchewan is regulated by The Fisheries Regulations under The Fisheries Act (Saskatchewan 1994). For more information, consult a C.O." et cetera. et cetera. et cetera.

Try reading some of this stuff before you dispense your words of wisdom.

Free (loud and proud)

Dude, what's your problem? I have had two separate CO's tell me otherwise, both in Saskatoon at the weir and CC Dam - with the reason being at the weir "SAFETY CONCERNS WITH THE BACK EDDY CURRENT. If this differs from what you have been told I don't know what to tell you, my information came from consulting a CO. Clearly you have some other issue with me other than a law interpretation on my post and I would love to hear about it...

[coorslight]

i fished by the vermilion spill way and was talking to co and he didnt say anything

[TyreeUM]

Originally Posted by coorslight

i fished by the vermilion spill way and was talking to co and he didnt say anything

Huh, well expect a long post from Freedom with respect to your poor ethics when it comes to fishing - and he might even try to throw in a bogus biological explanation about how easy it is to catch fish below a control structure. And I sure hope you were born in Canada or he wil probobly have a personal attack for you as well - he must not like immigrants, but there are plenty of other threads he could have posted his distaste in...

[Donkey Oatey]

Originally Posted by TyreeUM

Huh, well expect a long post from Freedom with respect to your poor ethics when it comes to fishing - and he might even try to throw in a bogus biological explanation about how easy it is to catch fish below a control structure. And I sure hope you were born in Canada or he wil probobly have a personal attack for you as well - he must not like immigrants, but there are plenty of other threads he could have posted his distaste in...

Sand in your vagina much?

[TyreeUM]

I guess probobly, I don't know why I took that personally....just a second...ahh ok thats better

[Freedom55]

Originally Posted by TyreeUM

I guess probobly, I don't know why I took that personally....just a second...ahh ok thats better

I hope that pause was for the time it would take to shake the sand out of your head.
I quoted the regulations. Do as you please, but do not encourage the new anglers to do the same.
And it was personal. I was attacking your bogus information, DUDE.
Riddle me this. In the one hour between my response to your answer and your follow-up comment did you get the booklets outlining all the regulations in the two provinces that you are an expert on?
If you came to this site to learn, then stay and learn. If you came to this site to brag about yet-to-come experiences and slam the long timers, then join another forum that tolerates "chat-room" mentality with little or no substance. You reading this Oliver? How about you Jasonp?

Free (to use a smiley slap)

[NSRfishing]

LOL

[TyreeUM]

Originally Posted by Freedom55

I hope that pause was for the time it would take to shake the sand out of your head.
I quoted the regulations. Do as you please, but do not encourage the new anglers to do the same.
And it was personal. I was attacking your bogus information, DUDE.
Riddle me this. In the one hour between my response to your answer and your follow-up comment did you get the booklets outlining all the regulations in the two provinces that you are an expert on?
If you came to this site to learn, then stay and learn. If you came to this site to brag about yet-to-come experiences and slam the long timers, then join another forum that tolerates "chat-room" mentality with little or no substance. You reading this Oliver? How about you Jasonp?

Free (to use a smiley slap)

I am pretty sure my post had nothing to do with "slamming" any long timers and I never once said I was an expert in fishing regulations - I am only going by what I was told by those who should be the experts, which is the recommendation of the regulations - ask a CO for clarification. I wasn't encouraging anyone to do anything - someone asked a question and I answered it from my own experience within this province - limited experience as you have already pointed out. I am not entirely sure what your comment about "bragging about yet-to-come experiences" was targeting, but regardless I thought this was forum for talking about fishing in general, I did not realize this was a classroom. If you disagree with what I post, then add your wisdom so I can "learn" - as your tactics in response to my post is what turned this thread into the "chat room" mentality in the first place.

[Freedom55]

Originally Posted by TyreeUM

Huh, well expect a long post from Freedom with respect to your poor ethics when it comes to fishing - and he might even try to throw in a bogus biological explanation about how easy it is to catch fish below a control structure. And I sure hope you were born in Canada or he wil probobly have a personal attack for you as well - he must not like immigrants, but there are plenty of other threads he could have posted his distaste in...

As someone who works, lives and fishes in both provinces, Alberta and Saskatchewan, and read more than one fishing page in all the western provinces, make regular trips into B.C. and have been doing so for a long time, I find you to be just another know-it-all-member-of-the-entitled-set that is having trouble making friends on fishing forums in two provinces. Calm yourself young man.

[TyreeUM]

Originally Posted by Freedom55

As someone who works, lives and fishes in both provinces, Alberta and Saskatchewan, and read more than one fishing page in all the western provinces, make regular trips into B.C. and have been doing so for a long time, I find you to be just another know-it-all-member-of-the-entitled-set that is having trouble making friends on fishing forums in two provinces. Calm yourself young man.

It's about time you disappear back into the shadows of the forum, we will all be waiting for your next episode in a few weeks....

[TyreeUM]

Originally Posted by Braun

So if I count out my 25 yards say from a dam..... does that mean I have to cast straight out or down stream from that point or can I cast upstream towards the damn. People for some reason alway make a big deal about fishing close to a dam because the fish like the oxygenated water or whatever.

Hey Braun,
I got some clarification on the regs, at least for Alberta. The rule was never intended as a fisheries rule, and was created by environment for safety reasons at water control structures. Because it applies to fisherman it was later added to the fishing regulations. As it stands, it is left up to the interpretation of the word "angling"-wether that mean the person's location who is angling - or the actual hook in which the person is using to angle. That being said, it appears the general ruling is your actual hook. I would call the local office to where you were fishing before I would head to a control structure and start firing casts. And as for Saskatchewan - my latest response was "If you are standing at least the distance away that is specified in the regs, then Im not sure how you would get in trouble"...another CO who is unsure....

[Jasonp]

Leave freedom alone its not his fault someone ****ed in his wheaties