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Old 10-17-2019, 10:17 PM
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So I was having a discussion with a buddy about this and I figured I’d post it here to see what the right answer is. So if one were to have a butt stock carrier on a rifle, would it be illegal to have it filled with ammunition while transporting it, even in a locked case.
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:19 PM
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The ammo is not in the rifle, no problem.
Would be no different if your rifle is on the seat beside you with the magazine on the seat.
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Old 10-18-2019, 05:29 AM
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Straight from the transport and storage regs:

unloaded”, in respect of a firearm, means that any propellant, projectile or cartridge that can be discharged from the firearm is not contained in the breech or firing chamber of the firearm nor in the cartridge magazine attached to or inserted into the firearm. (non chargée)

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../FullText.html


A ammo sleeve or holder is not a magazine, nor is it installed anywhere near the feedway, or breech of the firearm.
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Old 10-18-2019, 06:12 AM
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I agree with what they said above. But just for sake of argument, you could not store a firearm in a closet, with a trigger lock and an ammo sleeve. Because the ammo would then be readily available.
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I agree with what they said above. But just for sake of argument, you could not store a firearm in a closet, with a trigger lock and an ammo sleeve. Because the ammo would then be readily available.
But if the firearm was stored in a locked container/vault/special room.

c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.

You could keep ammo in the sleeve.

Regardless the question was about transporting a firearm.

And the locked case would likely suffice for storage as well.
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Old 10-19-2019, 09:07 AM
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Thanks everyone. I really appreciate the insight!
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Old 10-19-2019, 09:51 AM
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But if the firearm was stored in a locked container/vault/special room.

c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.

You could keep ammo in the sleeve.

Regardless the question was about transporting a firearm.

And the locked case would likely suffice for storage as well.
So, is a locked truck the same ? One that keeps me puzzled and more secure than some house storage I've seen.

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Old 10-19-2019, 10:50 AM
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So, is a locked truck the same ? One that keeps me puzzled and more secure than some house storage I've seen.

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The locked truck is considered transport if the stop is brief.
Storage within a vehicle is a quagmire of contradictions.
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Old 10-19-2019, 05:39 PM
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In the vehicle.

Non restricted.

Unloaded and out of sight in a locked vehicle.

I would absolutely argue that a locked vehicle meets the definition of “container”.

I would not do it for long ( going into eat / get gas ). It that is just me.
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Old 10-19-2019, 05:44 PM
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In the vehicle.

Non restricted.

Unloaded and out of sight in a locked vehicle.

I would absolutely argue that a locked vehicle meets the definition of “container”.

I would not do it for long ( going into eat / get gas ). It that is just me.
That’s because it’s part of the transport regs, not the storage regs.
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