Crossbows - Did the die hard bowhunters get thier way?

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by Morpheus32

actually I have a serious problem with your attitude about the whole crossbow thing. Everyone can have any opinion on the issue as long as it agrees with you HunterDave. Anyone who does not agree with your "judgement" is what did you say, arrogant, elitist...the list goes on.

The only one all worked up before and after this whole process is you....because you did not get what YOU wanted.

Well too bad....

Wrong! Your serious problem aside, you can have any opinion that you want. Mine is right, but you can have any opinion that you want.

You're right though, I get pretty worked up about these things.

You're funnier here than you are on that other site. Not any more intelligent but funny none the less.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by Morpheus32

This has to be one of the most childish posts in a while. You suck and I am going to tell all my friends you suck cause your not nice to me. My 10 year old things you need to grow up a bit...he even things your post is silly....

But my seven year old knows archery includes all types of bows and arrows.

[hillbillyreefer]

Where are the posts going?

I'm not accusing anyone of altering the entire thread, or maybe I'am!

[westerncoachman]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

Okay, I get it now. ABA is smarter than AFGA. Or, is this just a little frustration showing through?

I don't have a hate on for ABA specifically but I do find anyone that has an arrogant or condescending attitude particularly irritating. Just ask anyone that knows me, I'll go out of my way to knock people like that down a few notches, and love every minute of it. I'm the same way in real life as I am on the internet when it comes to that.

If someone wants to thump their chest when I'm around then they'd better have a thick skin. Otherwise, they're gonna have their feelings hurt.

No not smarter just more organized. I was just pointing out how the process works. The non crossbow advocates won this battle. No biggy I am sure it will be fought again. You kept saying you didn't know how ABA effected the outcome. Pretty easy to figure out.

If you find people who have a arrogant or condescending attitude irritating how can you stand yourself? Low blow I know but sometimes the truth hurts.

Get off your high horse and accept the fact that the survey went the right way.

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by westerncoachman

No not smarter just more organized. I was just pointing out how the process works. The non crossbow advocates won this battle. No biggy I am sure it will be fought again. You kept saying you didn't know how ABA effected the outcome. Pretty easy to figure out.

If you find people who have a arrogant or condescending attitude irritating how can you stand yourself? Low blow I know but sometimes the truth hurts.

Get off your high horse and accept the fact that the survey went the right way.

Unless someone explains to me exactly how ABA defeated this proposal then you're all full of beans. What is this, some sort of campaign to make more $$$ off of new members or some sort of weird self esteem issue. A couple of sleeper cells from CGN emerge.

Chit like that ain't gonna hurt me, broad shoulders and all. If you figure me for being arrogant then that's your prerogative. Wait a minute, that's not being arrogant! Awww......ferget it!

[pottymouth]

The ABA, didn't defeat the proposal at all. They merely informed and help bring to fruition the proposals SRD was considering, to there members. Who then had to form there own opinion and vote yes or no. But the ABA alone wasn't the reason they majority vote was NO.

I for one am not an ABA member, and they had 0% influence over me in my opinion or vote, or anyone in my circle.My decision was based on what I thought was the best thing for our animals first, and hunting and hunters after.JMO

[Rockymtnx]

Originally Posted by duffy4

This is all about SRD's own poll, and decision.

On Sat. at the AG&GA resolutions discussions, there is one requesting a "primitive weapons season", if you will, including Muzzle loaders and cross-bows in some areas.

If that one passes with a good majority SRD may have something else to think about.

Duffy, this resolution was tabled.
I expect you will see it re-writen next year

[Rockymtnx]

Originally Posted by North of Owlseye

What is your comment about uneducated supposed to mean?

Originally Posted by deanmc

I think it means if you disagreed, you must be an uneducated dummy.

There seems to be a lot of people out there that think a crossbow is a killing machine of mass destruction. I was really shocked by the number people out there who think that you can effectively harvest big game at ranges of 100 yards and even further. It is quiet shocking how many people think a crossbow is like a gun without the bang. When really it is more like a horizontal compound bow.

Last year I got to spend some time with the owner of one of the worlds top renown crossbow companies. A crossbow is more like archery equipment than most think.
Right now we have some compound bows that shoot faster, and flatter than a crossbow. Put a Leopold Vendetta on it and a top notch fiber-optic sight on it and you will have more advantage than many cross bow out there.

Crossbows aren't the killing machine of mass destruction that some people think they are.

[Rockymtnx]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

There is one very significant distance, the archer that uses a regular bow has to hold the bow drawn using his muscles.

I have to disagree with this. Most crossbow hunters, are not taking game at distances further than what a lot of bowhunters are.

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If a crossbow is already sighted in , virtually anyone can aim it at a target, pull the trigger and hit the target. With a standard bow, you need to be able to draw the bow, hold it drawn until you are ready to shoot, and then cleanly release the arrow.

Come on give me a break on this comment elkhunter11.
That's like you trying to tell me that you can hand my girlfriend, who has no shooting experience, your new Cooper Rifle, she can lift it up, hold, it and clearly make a 150 yard shot on a whitetail. Or even for that matter hand anyone (including many experienced AO folk) on here that rifle and they can make the shot.

[Rockymtnx]

Originally Posted by KBF

Cant seem to think why we might need another crossbow bickering post, why not start and "Unsafe Remington 700" post or "Grizzlies Are Not Endangered " post. This is going nowhere. These post are basically the same as another crossbow post. Must be slow for the Mods, one started this post. Oh shoot wheres the delete button.

KBF, this was actually an announcement of the governments poll results. Last time I checked most people wanted to be informed about results of current issues.

[Rockymtnx]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

what the???? half this thread disappeared . A whole page of pointless arguments gone!
someone get offended or something?

Looks like one of the other Mods deleted a pile of nonsense that had nothing to do with the original topic being discussed here.

[deanmc]

Originally Posted by Rockymtnx

KBF, this was actually an announcement of the governments poll results. Last time I checked most people wanted to be informed about results of current issues.

Actually it looks more to be a brief editorial type statement with results thrown in at the end.

If you truly believed that your OP would not turn in to a debate about crossbows then you are a silly silly man.

BTW I think thats okay. Just calling a spade, a spade.

[ishootbambi]

Originally Posted by Cal

I dont recall ever calling myself a dedicated archer. I remember in another crossbow thread saying somthing like "I dont practice enough to take shots longer than 30 yards and I dont have the patience to get that close so I rarely connect."

However the opportunity is there, if I spent more time at it I could probably get better... or I could cry about how unfair the rules are and try and get crossbows legalized. Not my style.

cal, i have never cried thats its unfair.....just that it doesnt make sense. i dont know if you have actually read any of my posts regarding the subject, but i am not trying to have anything changed......i am just not against the changes being proposed. my experience hunting with a crossbow when i lived in bc has shown me that its just another bow. pretty well all of my posts have been directed at just that....trying to explain that by all accounts including effective range and hunting success, it is a bow. and really, how many times do i need to tell you that i wont go back to one. they are heavy, awkward and unwieldly to carry while hunting.....ill be sticking to my reezen.

[ishootbambi]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

I for one am not an ABA member,

can i ask why not?

[elkhunter11]

Come on give me a break on this comment elkhunter11.
That's like you trying to tell me that you can hand my girlfriend, who has no shooting experience, your new Cooper Rifle, she can lift it up, hold, it and clearly make a 150 yard shot on a whitetail. Or even for that matter hand anyone (including many experienced AO folk) on here that rifle and they can make the shot.

The very first time that I fired a crossbow, I was shooting smaller groups at 50 yards with a crossbow, that I was with my compound bow, at the same distance. It was just a matter of aiming the crossbow and pulling the trigger, hardly any different from shooting a scoped rifle.

As for having people (especially an experienced shooter) hit a deer at 150 yards with one of my rifles, I have had many people pick up one of my rifles, and then hit targets the size of a deer's vitals at 200 yards, without ever having previously fired the gun. If the gun is sighted in for the load being used, 150 yards with a scoped rifle, is no big deal, unless the person is terrified of firearms.

Looks like one of the other Mods deleted a pile of nonsense that had nothing to do with the original topic being discussed here.

I suppose that the unnecessary comment about "uneducated" people, had nothing to do with provoking that nonsense? In my opinion, such a comment could have been expected to result in such nonsense, and guess what, it did.

[Morpheus32]

Originally Posted by Rockymtnx

KBF, this was actually an announcement of the governments poll results. Last time I checked most people wanted to be informed about results of current issues.

Yes but I think his point is you did not present this as a public announcement. Please reread how you posted it:

Crossbows - Did the die hard bowhunters get thier way?
Did they die hard bow hunters get their way? Or are too many people unsure and uneducated about crossbows?

This afternoon at the AFGA conference SRD announced that there will be no special crossbow season in 2011.

At the end of hunting season there was a hunter survey sent out to Alberta RELM users. The last question had to do with if you were in favor of having a special crossbow season before the regular rifle season.
The results were as is:
37% Yes
44% No
19% Neutral

It sure sounds like you have a dog in this fight...not the best term but you know what I mean. You can't say you are being neutral and telling people what is going on...and use the terms you did. If you had been neutral as a moderator...maybe the tone of this whole thread would have been different.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Rockymtnx

There seems to be a lot of people out there that think a crossbow is a killing machine of mass destruction.

Maybe "weapons of mass confusion"?
Cat

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

The ABA, didn't defeat the proposal at all. They merely informed and help bring to fruition the proposals SRD was considering, to there members. Who then had to form there own opinion and vote yes or no. But the ABA alone wasn't the reason they majority vote was NO.

I for one am not an ABA member, and they had 0% influence over me in my opinion or vote, or anyone in my circle.My decision was based on what I thought was the best thing for our animals first, and hunting and hunters after.JMO

These are my thoughts about it as well Pottymouth. And we both know that we voted differently.

[pattycr125]

i voted no, as i just got back into archery this past year and took up bowhunting with a friend. i see a crossbow as a hybrid between a gun and a bow, leaning more to the gun side with a limited ranged, the biggest advantage to a crossbow i think is the ability to rest it on something while shooting, holding a bow with a fully extended arm while watching your pins and level with no magnification to me seems much more challenging, and i think with practice a compound bow can be just as effective. so i say if you want the privilege of two extra months of hunting then you should put in the time to master the compound bow(or recurve/longbow), i think it is much more rewarding.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by pattycr125

i voted no, as i just got back into archery this past year and took up bowhunting with a friend. i see a crossbow as a hybrid between a gun and a bow, leaning more to the gun side with a limited ranged, the biggest advantage to a crossbow i think is the ability to rest it on something while shooting, holding a bow with a fully extended arm while watching your pins and level with no magnification to me seems much more challenging, and i think with practice a compound bow can be just as effective. so i say if you want the privilege of two extra months of hunting then you should put in the time to master the compound bow(or recurve/longbow), i think it is much more rewarding.

Have you ever used a crossbow?

They are heavy and bulky, kind of a pain to move through the bush with. They cannot be cocked without creating a major rukus. As soon as you rest them you run the risk of having a limb hit something, destroying accuracy, and possibly the bow.

I don't care what you THINK is more rewarding. I don't think there should be specific seasons, if it's legal to hunt with one method why isn't it legal with another? Why are bows allowed in the primitive and rifle season as well? Bows are allowed in lots of zones where no other methods are allowed. Seems to me bowhunters have it pretty good. Time for us inferior hunters to stomp on some bowhunting privileges.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Opinions are like....we have all heard that one. This debate is no different. Depending on whether you are on one side or the other your opinion will change.

One side of me likes that it didnt get passed, means less people out there competing with me during bow season....

The other side of me says we need more people hunting and more voices to support what we do....

I guess it depends on the day which way I feel about it.

I personally have never shot a crossbow but a friend of mines brother is disabled and it allows him to hunt during bow season. I will probably spark a new debate but if they really aren't easier to use then why are they viewed by the powers that be to be allowed for the disabled during bow season? Clearly they are easier to use....granted my buddy needs to assist his brother in getting it cocked and ready. He did mange to harvest a WT buck with it, his first since his accident I believe.

the debate lives on.....

Lefty

[KBF]

I personally have never shot a crossbow but a friend of mines brother is disabled and it allows him to hunt during bow season. I will probably spark a new debate but if they really aren't easier to use then why are they viewed by the powers that be to be allowed for the disabled during bow season? Clearly they are easier to use....granted my buddy needs to assist his brother in getting it cocked and ready. He did mange to harvest a WT buck with it, his first since his accident I believe.

the debate lives on.....

Lefty[/QUOTE]

I think this is an example where a crossbow is designed for. When I watch hunting shows and they have people hunting with a disability, it just makes me feel greatful for my mobility and being able to get out when I want. I couldnt imagine being in that position. Nobody should be denied of the great experiences to be had outdoors.

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

One side of me likes that it didnt get passed, means less people out there competing with me during bow season....
Lefty

I believe that ^ is possibly the first really honest argument against the inclusion of crossbows I have seen .

All the other rhetoric about" too easy to use " or unfair advantages etc are just dancing around the real issue ..We just don't want anymore people out there hunting our sacred "bow zones"

[albertadeer]

They should put in a late season crossbow season..Nov 30-Dec 14.

Just a bit of a point regarding terminology...the majority did not vote no. 44% voted no. To have a majority you require 50+% More people voted no than voted yes but it was not a majority

[whitetail Junkie]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

Just a bit of a point regarding terminology...the majority did not vote no. 44% voted no. To have a majority you require 50+% More people voted no than voted yes but it was not a majority

There should have never Been a "Neutral" option.Either Yes or No.

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

There should have never Been a "Neutral" option.Either Yes or No.

On the other hand it gives SRD an idea of how many people couldn't care one way or the other.

If you think about it people that voted neutral are neither strongly for or against it. If it was limited to either yes or no I think that those votes would more than likely be yes votes.

[elkhunter11]

If it was limited to either yes or no I think that those votes would more than likely be yes votes.

Or they may simply have not voted at all.

[westerncoachman]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

If it was limited to either yes or no I think that those votes would more than likely be yes votes.

Or they would have voted no.

[westerncoachman]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

The ABA, didn't defeat the proposal at all. They merely informed and help bring to fruition the proposals SRD was considering, to there members. Who then had to form there own opinion and vote yes or no. But the ABA alone wasn't the reason they majority vote was NO.

Exactly. ABA did a good of informing its members of what was proposed and let them make there own decision but to say they had nothing to do with the outcome of this survey as HunterDave seems to think is ludicrous. No they weren't the only reason for the way the vote went but I feel the ABA and its members had a significant role.