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08-13-2018, 05:24 PM
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Bsison bolts from Banf
Articles like this are why I always pick up Banff and Canmore papers, you get to read stories that don't make the outside media. Park guys have been telling us this wasn't going to happen. They removed the fence a couple of weeks ago. Think it took 30 million of our bucks to make it happen. I feel a buffalo hunt coming up in the near future. 
https://www.rmoutlook.com/article/bi...banff-20180809
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08-13-2018, 05:30 PM
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As expected. But I’d bet you will only be hunting bison if you have a certain card
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08-13-2018, 05:56 PM
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Reminds me of the large hole in the fence north end of Elk Island Park that "allowed" elk to somehow wander out into surrounding farmland. Even after the park personnel were appraised of the "broken" fence they did nothing about it. If public doesn't complain then I'm sure the park biologists would be more than happy to have this wildlife roam all over Alberta.
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08-13-2018, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
Articles like this are why I always pick up Banff and Canmore papers, you get to read stories that don't make the outside media. Park guys have been telling us this wasn't going to happen. They removed the fence a couple of weeks ago. Think it took 30 million of our bucks to make it happen. I feel a buffalo hunt coming up in the near future.
https://www.rmoutlook.com/article/bi...banff-20180809
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Haha !!!! Didn`t see that coming..  NOT !!
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08-14-2018, 08:43 AM
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Predictable but not necessarily bad news. Need to fix the legal rule that means they aren't listed as wildlife on provincial lands, and start planning for a legal Bison season in 2020 outside the park
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08-14-2018, 09:07 AM
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bison
Plains Bison did major migrations north and south from Canada to US for thousands of years, what did the Bio's think would happen with no fence. Probably be visiting the Trumper soon.
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08-14-2018, 10:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf
Plains Bison did major migrations north and south from Canada to US for thousands of years, what did the Bio's think would happen with no fence. Probably be visiting the Trumper soon.
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I think they knew they were going to leave and essentially stated as such several weeks ago. An animal did what everybody suspected it would do. I think it would be more newsworthy if they all stuck around personally.
I'm not really sure why this is news....
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08-14-2018, 11:45 AM
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Many years ago in the pass a fellow was raising buffalo and they got out. Later I heard the bison had put some hikers up a tree. So now someone can invent bison spray much like bear spray to keep the critters at bay.
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08-14-2018, 09:15 AM
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Could legally shoot that bull on crown land outside the park could you not?
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08-14-2018, 10:12 AM
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Could legally shoot that bull on crown land outside the park could you not?
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I believe so, since they are not considered wildlife. Hence the vague description of its whereabouts?
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08-14-2018, 09:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MooseRiverTrapper
Could legally shoot that bull on crown land outside the park could you not?
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There are two out of the park now but people would have to hurry as there will probably only be two weeks left to do that:
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Environment Minister Shannon Phillips has said she will protect the Banff herd with a special ministerial order, but it’s not yet in place.
“The process of drafting this order is underway, but was recently delayed by a fire in an Environment and Parks office building that displaced some staff working on this order,” she said in a statement. “We expect to sign this order before the end of the month.”
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https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...being-released
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08-14-2018, 09:48 PM
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One of the smart ones that doesn't want to get eaten by a wolf or bear.
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08-14-2018, 10:46 PM
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The Calgary report says it was bulls that are wandering. Maybe the wandering bulls are just acting instinctive in migrating back to Elk island park where they came from. Sort of like spawning salmon go back to where they hatched.
It's interesting the herd size has more than doubled since their recent introduction. I find this interesting because it hasn't been mentioned how many buffalo will be considered for the land carrying capacity of the park. Logic suggests that eventually the herd size will have to be culled or allowed to free range and expand outside the park. In 20 years maybe the Suffield elk hunt will be replaced by the Suffield buffalo hunt.
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08-15-2018, 02:10 AM
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Here is the Bison Blog put out by parks Canada. updated fairly regularly.
https://www.pc.gc.ca/en/pn-np/ab/ban...son/blog#aug11
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08-15-2018, 10:55 AM
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The Calgary report says it was bulls that are wandering. Maybe the wandering bulls are just acting instinctive in migrating back to Elk island park where they came from. Sort of like spawning salmon go back to where they hatched.
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No, this is just Buffalo bulls being Buffalo bulls. They will go for a walkabout when the girls are not interesting to them.
Anyone involved with this program that states this was unexpected is either delusional or a liar. Which brings us back to Parks position that this would not happen....
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08-15-2018, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MooseRiverTrapper
Could legally shoot that bull on crown land outside the park could you not?
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Shooting one would bring nothing but bad publicity to hunting...we have an uphill battle as it is, we don’t need more bad news.
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08-18-2018, 08:22 AM
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"Oh, give me a home where the buffalo roam?"
This bison project was doomed from the get-go. It did not work in the late 70s in Jasper NP, and it doesn't look like it will work now!! Buffalo roam. Sez so in the song!! Lu Carbyn, a well-known authority on bison, spoke out against this from the start, but I guess Parks didn't listen. Just wait till the first tourist gets trampled taking a bison selfie!
In the first post, Grizz mentioned that Parks "removed the fence down two weeks ago". Which fence is this? Here is an excerpt from an article in Alberta Views, describing their brilliant fencing plan.
The Banff recovery team couldn’t come up with a fence that would stop bison but let other animals move freely through their home ranges. Instead, they are counting on a high-tech solution. The eastern escape routes for park bison are fenced with industry-standard fences, but where monitoring has shown that those fences block trails that are important for elk, sheep and other animals, parks staff tie the six strands up into two strips, creating a gap big enough for wildlife to slip through. All the original bison wear radio-collars that send out a warning signal when the bison wander close to those critical fence-crossing locations. When bison are nearby, park biologists unbundle the wire to block the animals until they wander deeper into the park again.
Obviously, this plan did not work, although I can't find any reference to this fence besides this article. Aside from the fact that Kevin van Tighem wrote it, it is actually informative. Here is a link:
https://albertaviews.ca/dont-fence-me-in/
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