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Has the 3rd Russian Revolution started . . .
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. . . or, unlike the first two, will this one fizzle and die?
What's your take on this; http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ontent=2266925
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12-11-2011, 07:14 AM
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it will fizzle and die. like the old saying you cann't fight machine guns with pitch forks. in Russia's case i guess they wuold say with sickle & hammers. but such a loving social goverment with the best gun control in the world. makes all the lib. & ndp want to follow in there foot steps. becuase the UN thinks that that is how the world should be ran.
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12-11-2011, 07:56 AM
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Which other two fizzled and died?
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12-11-2011, 08:20 AM
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read the post slowly.
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12-11-2011, 08:27 AM
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read the post slowly.
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LOL. oops, I guess I should have went to bed sooner instead of watching the game. haha. It really had me confused thats for sure.
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12-11-2011, 08:32 AM
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Is it just me or are Russias elections really confusing and screwy? This election, now another in March. A president and Prime Minister???? I haven't really studied their politics since high school so I am not really sure how it is set up.
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12-11-2011, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Lonnie
it will fizzle and die. like the old saying you cann't fight machine guns with pitch forks. in Russia's case i guess they wuold say with sickle & hammers. but such a loving social goverment with the best gun control in the world. makes all the lib. & ndp want to follow in there foot steps. becuase the UN thinks that that is how the world should be ran.
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Revolutions are funny things. Once they start, anything is possible and often unpredictable, like the revolution of 1917. Who'd have given Castro a chance in hell, when he landed with his dozen or so followers? Or the Lybians ? 
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12-11-2011, 11:36 AM
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Socialism and entitlement era is still strong in the majority of the population. They will not risk anything to make things better. Safer with the status quo.
In the eyes of socialists...life got worse when they had to work for a living. Changes was feared...same applies today.
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12-11-2011, 11:54 AM
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One of the questions that must arise is: what do the Russian people have to lose?
Until recently, Russia hasn't had a middle class. Those are the people who have something to lose, namely, their (relative) new-found affluence.
It will be interesting to see how Putin and his friends deal with this, apparently popular, unrest.
It's quite remarkable (and unprecedented) to see such a rapid decline in popularity of a Russian leader like Putin.
Talk about living in "interesting times"...
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12-11-2011, 12:53 PM
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my dad made a point about Poutine goading his people this last kangaroo election to become vocal,,, he's a brutal ***** to journalists and any opposition to him even mildly implied opposition. His speech yesterday was pretty much "I'm as good as it gets so nobody else can run the show". He's Stalin with a psychology degree, at least Stalin off'd his opponents even the imagined ones,, putin silences them and everybody that they have met with a threat of immobility in russian society.
This goading flushed out his opponents for a good photo op.
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12-11-2011, 01:40 PM
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awesome post dave,,,, here is a vid of Abromovichs yacht, disgusting wealth.
Who was the fellow who just went back to prison for money laundering in russia when in reality he was funding an opposition party to poutine,, I think the company is Gazprom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLPG75MbjsY
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12-11-2011, 06:44 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure about that ^ ... many revolutions, especially Russian revolutions, tend to start with a small spark, and build from there. In this case, what is going on in Russia right now, is a far cry from a 'small spark' . . .
This is the latest report from Moscow (via The Globe) ... it makes for an interesting read, and the attached vid is quite eye-opening; http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2267236/
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Originally Posted by A-zone
One of the questions that must arise is: what do the Russian people have to lose?
Until recently, Russia hasn't had a middle class. Those are the people who have something to lose, namely, their (relative) new-found affluence.
It will be interesting to see how Putin and his friends deal with this, apparently popular, unrest.
It's quite remarkable (and unprecedented) to see such a rapid decline in popularity of a Russian leader like Putin.
Talk about living in "interesting times"...
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You are probably right in your analysis,, the young of Russia have Calvin Klein or whatever is the fashion now in their country, music from every country flows unabated into their sovereign space, the kids are unhappy, the elders are unhappy, but glad the kids are starting to speak up. Putin needed a break to make videos of his time in the Spetznaz, or shooting a Siberia Tiger in a photo shoot, prior, to his telling Medvedev,,, his minion,, "Ok, I am cool now, got the aggression out of me, pack your stuff and cut to the left till I need you as a scapegoat"
Interesting times indeed
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12-11-2011, 07:27 PM
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Russia needs Putin. There is still al lot of garbage in that country that should be in jail, disappear, or go camping in Siber.
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12-11-2011, 09:15 PM
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intresting times, is going to be where does the UN stand if russia ends up in a revelution,for the people,or for the goverment, I wuold bet for the goverment. they will cliam that its just a few bad people in power.
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12-12-2011, 09:09 AM
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It all depends on how well he is looking after his military.
If he is paying and feeding them...a revolution will probably fail but... if the military or parts of it start to feel ignored or are not being paid well... they'll jump to support a grass roots movement in a heart beat.
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12-12-2011, 10:35 AM
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It all depends on how well he is looking after his military.
If he is paying and feeding them...a revolution will probably fail but... if the military or parts of it start to feel ignored or are not being paid well... they'll jump to support a grass roots movement in a heart beat.
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And I don't think the military would go for shooting their own people.
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12-12-2011, 11:56 AM
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And I don't think the military would go for shooting their own people.
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That is a factor but we also need to remember that the definition of "their own" people might be different than ours.
Russia is a big place and there are regional and ethnic differences that can work for or against the people.
Soldiers from one region might be quite willing to kill civilians from another or rise up if the folks back home are being killed by soldiers from a region...if they learn of it and especially if they have long standing regional resentments.
It does get pretty tricky but... consider how important ethnic background became in the former Yugoslavia.
To us...they all looked, acted and sounded the same...we couldn't understand the hatred or for that matter how they could determine who to hate...but they managed somehow.
Eastern Europe and the Russias are still very focused on ethnicity.
Another comlication is whether or not Russia still maintains conscripts and how they might be treated within a professional army.
If for instance conscipts are not paid or have been used as cannon fodder...they might be predisposed to lash out at the existing governement.
As for the availability of weapons...don't worry...there are stockpiles of arms all over the place and if a revolution did kick off...there'd be more than enough ammo, guns, mines and artillary to go around....especially once some of the former Soviet Block...satalite nations started to pick sides.
In repressive nations where almost every adult has military training...those civilians can put on a pretty good show through improvisation and the use of well established black market and underground trading.
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374 days to go.Enjoy. 
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12-12-2011, 05:45 PM
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. . . or, unlike the first two, will this one fizzle and die?
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You got it right.
Sad, but it is possible to shamelessly screw a lot of people out of their votes and get away with it...
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12-13-2011, 12:09 PM
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Russia needs Putin?!
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Russia needs Putin. There is still al lot of garbage in that country that should be in jail, disappear, or go camping in Siber.
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There are many who would argue that; those ^ problems in Russia are 'because' of Putin!
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12-13-2011, 12:32 PM
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There are many who would argue that; those ^ problems in Russia are 'because' of Putin!
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I was thinking the same thing. I've heard it said that the communists didn't leave the government the last go around they just took off the uniforms and put on suits. I believe that Putin falls into that category.
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12-13-2011, 12:36 PM
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Russia needs Putin. There is still al lot of garbage in that country that should be in jail, disappear, or go camping in Siber.
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I agree, but only with the second statment - most of this garbage is called "power vertical" in that country these days...
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