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Old 03-02-2012, 11:03 AM
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Default Illegal introduction of carp in Alberta! THE START OF A DISASTER?

This could be the start of a terrible introduction into the South Saskatchewan River system.

Alberta Fish and Wildlife have confirmed the presence of Prussian Carp in the Red Deer River, Threehill, Kneehills, Serviceberry and Rosebud Creeks.

These extremely prolific breeders can out compete native sport fish species. Anyone catching carp or seeing carp in Alberta should report them.

Carp can root out vegetation and destroy habitat on top of reproducing like crazy. Everyone knows about the silver carp disaster in the Mississippi. Let's hope this does not start here.

ANYONE knowing first hand information on the presence of carp in Alberta owes it to themselves to report it. The future of fishing is at stake if we allow illegal foreign species like this to take over.

Contact your local F&W Office to determine who you should report information to. If there are breeding populations of carp, they need to be eradicated immediately!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_carp

http://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=pjbs.2007.4241.4245
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:09 AM
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Wow, hope they can get ahead of it before it's too late. Bucket brigade strikes again. Catch and kill program in effect I assume.
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:13 AM
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it boggles my mind why someone would put them into a place they don't belong, I understand it's simple and maybe they want to catch them there but seriously ! You have got to be pretty dumb to put them into a huge river system. People like this should face huge consequences.
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:15 AM
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Alright! Boy nothing but steady progress on the fisheries front.. Should be a bunch of A.O. guys rolling in soon to question why this would be considered a problem LOL!
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any location information. I will seek and destroy. acting quickly is imperative. bread worms, canned veg, work well . they are very quick to learn how not to be caught. with out a change to our regs angling is unlightly to bring them to the hook.
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:21 AM
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I thought the water was to Cold this far north for them to survive?

If they are here its already too late.
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:06 PM
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Whoa folks. Carp have been indigenous to Alberta since the 80's..introduced no less by the government;
http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex3446

Also, be sure you don't mistake them for goldfish and yes they probably won't survive in our cold water system as per this:
http://www.frammandearter.se/0/2engl...us_gibelio.pdf
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:08 PM
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Quit flushing your goldfish!
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Alright! Boy nothing but steady progress on the fisheries front.. Should be a bunch of A.O. guys rolling in soon to question why this would be considered a problem LOL!

Well they are BIG, right? How hard are they to catch? What lure do you think would work best? I'M PUMPED!!!!!








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Alright! Boy nothing but steady progress on the fisheries front.. Should be a bunch of A.O. guys rolling in soon to question why this would be considered a problem LOL!
great posting as usual

hats of for your consistant slagging of alberta sportsmen
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:23 PM
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:30 PM
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great posting as usual

hats of for your consistant slagging of alberta sportsmen
I agree! Who does packhuntr think he is, worrying about the fish in Alberta?? Having another competing species might make the average fish smaller here... just think how awesome it would feel THEN to show off your big wall pike!!!
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Quit flushing your goldfish!
There are hundreds of goldfish species. This one is a wild variety that can get large...not your little aquarium buddy.

Even though they have hit the river...there is always a chance if you can find the hot spots that the rest may die off. We can only hope.
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I agree! Who does packhuntr think he is, worrying about the fish in Alberta?? Having another competing species might make the average fish smaller here... just think how awesome it would feel THEN to show off your big wall pike!!!


I just spit up my coffee........... Good stuff
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great posting as usual

hats of for your consistant slagging of alberta sportsmen
Hey hoped youd chime in, but on a different topic with which you wanted to sling sh*t in, but apparently were not/are not capable of backing your sh*t there. Anything to contribute, or are you strapped for time from trying to figure out how to fill out your first WIN card application.
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:32 PM
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put a "warent on carp"
for every fifty carp or so = 100$, that would take of problem if we dont want them
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Whoa folks. Carp have been indigenous to Alberta since the 80's..introduced no less by the government;
http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex3446

Also, be sure you don't mistake them for goldfish and yes they probably won't survive in our cold water system as per this:
http://www.frammandearter.se/0/2engl...us_gibelio.pdf
The difference between sterile grass carp and reproducing prussian carp and others should be obvious.

These wild prussian can easily survive here.

http://www.fishbase.org/Introduction...StockCode=6695
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:33 PM
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can we please keep the thread on topic and stop with the childish bickering?
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Whoa folks. Carp have been indigenous to Alberta since the 80's..introduced no less by the government;
http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex3446

Also, be sure you don't mistake them for goldfish and yes they probably won't survive in our cold water system as per this:
http://www.frammandearter.se/0/2engl...us_gibelio.pdf
Can't view your AB Agriculture link, but I would hazard a guess it is about Grass Carp (which actually aren't "Carp"). Grass carp used in AB are all sterile triploid fish.

The Prussian Carp was probably not introduced by the "bucket brigade", who would undertake such an activity to create a fishery, but more than likely was an aquarium owner who dumped the fish into the river instead of killing the fish. Another possibility, that is the reason for a number of introductions in the US and probably Canada, is releases of fish by Bhuddists. They think they are doing a good deed, but instead have destroyed ecosystems.

Sundance, do you have a link related to this occurrence?
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Alberta Fish and Wildlife have confirmed the presence of Prussian Carp in the Red Deer River, Threehill, Kneehills, Serviceberry and Rosebud Creeks.
Do you have a link to this alert?

I couldn't find anything about it doing a google search or with a search of the SRD site. I did find a list of invasive species in Alberta that I thought was pretty interesting though:

http://www.srd.alberta.ca/FishWildli...lberta2007.pdf
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Old 03-02-2012, 03:28 PM
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It's bad, they are occurring in incredible numbers at a few locations, and large quantities would obviously have access to the Red Deer river. From what I've seen, they're very small, but very plentiful.
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Do you have a link to this alert?

I couldn't find anything about it doing a google search or with a search of the SRD site. I did find a list of invasive species in Alberta that I thought was pretty interesting though:

http://www.srd.alberta.ca/FishWildli...lberta2007.pdf
I contacted the biologist directly. It is recent information that has not hit that list as it is old.

For sure expect it to get there! Unfortunately...it makes me thinking about the consequences.
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What can be done if they are already in the RDR?
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I remember, not so long time ago, somebody on this forum was talking about fishinf for carp in "private lake/pond"......mayby, this is a bebinig of the story......

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=91756

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Any photos of this carp? I caught something that seemed to resemble a carp on the Sask side of the SSR this last fall. But could not tell 100% what the heck is was.
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just enjoy catching them good food for pike and walleye

they can grow up to 40-45cm and 3-4lbs......but if overpopulated, just up to 15cm and 1/2lbs

I remember, not so long time ago, somebody on this forum was talking about fishinf for carp in "private lake/pond"......mayby, this is a bebinig of the story......

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=91756
I hope you are being sarcastic. There is nothing good in this. You can not support nor endorse nor justify this introduction in Alberta. This is a horrible, horrible event.

If sincere in your attitude about being happy you are part of the problem with this crap happening in Alberta IMHO...but I trust you are just pulling legs.

Don't belittle this.

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The creeks I'm familiar with that are involved do not contain catchable size carp. Not a fishery resource as far as I'd be concerned.
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Whoa folks. Carp have been indigenous to Alberta since the 80's..introduced no less by the government;
http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex3446

Also, be sure you don't mistake them for goldfish and yes they probably won't survive in our cold water system as per this:
http://www.frammandearter.se/0/2engl...us_gibelio.pdf

These carp would survive Alberta's cold water with ease.




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The difference between sterile grass carp and reproducing prussian carp and others should be obvious.

These wild prussian can easily survive here.

http://www.fishbase.org/Introduction...StockCode=6695

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People need to be aware that invasive species contributed to nearly 40% of the recent extinctions to Native wildlife for which the cause is know. The establishment of these fish is a real concern. There is no predicting the fallout.
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