Cannibals

[Redfrog]

Cannibals and Useful Idiots

The following is real, and it’s here now.

Joe Hunter goes to a cocktail party; nothing fancy, just a holiday gathering in Anytown, USA. A conversation begins with Bob Peta, it goes something like this:

Bob Peta: Say Joe, didn’t you go deer hunting this year?
Joe Hunter: Sure did Bob.
Bob: Man, that’s great, did you get one?
Joe: Yep, I sure did, a nice six pointer.
Bob: Hey, that’s great. Say listen Joe, you’re a true hunter, a “real” hunter are you not?
Joe: I sure am.
Bob: Say, I hear tell of a kind of hunting where people can go kill animals in fenced areas. You’ve never done that, have you?
Joe: No, no I haven’t.
Bob: Well, I wouldn’t call that real hunting, would you Joe?
Joe: Well, that’s not the way I hunt.
Bob: I know Joe, but there are people who hunt in fenced areas. I don’t think that’s really hunting, do you Joe?
Joe: well, uh, I guess not.
Bob: Great. Say, listen Joe, a group of us concerned “real” hunters are trying to get that method of hunting done away with. We feel it is unethical, will you help us?
Joe: Sure, because that is not the way I hunt, and I’m a real hunter.
Bob: Thanks Joe. Here is what we need you to do. As a real hunter the big boys in Congress and the Senate will listen to you. They know that any “real” hunter only hunts the way you do, and that’s the only real hunting there is. What we need you to do is get out there and get petitions signed, people will sign them because you are a real hunter, and they know that only your way of hunting is the “real” way.

So Joe diligently goes after the goal, to ban, and outlaw any kind of hunting that Bob suggest is not real hunting. He gathers up signatures, petitions courts, and makes meetings. He is really cleaning up this unethical way of hunting, he’s got a lot of support. He is gathering “real” hunters from all over, and finally, after much hard work, they get a legal way of hunting banned.

Bob: Joe, you did great and we sure appreciate your hard work, but let me tell you what I heard. There is another type of hunting that we think is not right. Could you help us again?
Joe: Well I guess so Bob. I don’t hunt like that, so it’s not real hunting anyway. How can I help?

It’s the same old story. It’s odd how Bob Peta keeps adding to the list of what “real” hunting is. However, Joe goes at it hard and heavy, and in the end, he helps get that type of hunting banned. Bob and his friends are happy. Joe is a “real” hunter, and these other guy’s aren’t, because the way they hunt is different from Joe, and Joe does not like that way of hunting. So what’s the harm in getting rid of that type of hunting. Joe is a “real” hunter after all, not like those other guys. He even goes to sportsmen’s organizations and recruits from within. It’s easy because they are all “real” hunters too.

Time passes, and more and more legal ways of hunting are banned. Bob and his friends are real happy with Joe, he’s been a real help. So after all the unethical ways of hunting are gone, Bob and his friends decide that it is time to get Joe’s way of hunting banned, the final chapter.

Joe: Bob, hey buddy, this is Joe. I know I helped you get rid of all those other forms of legal hunting, but now there is a move to get rid of the way I hunt.
Bob: Well Joe, I know. My friends and I are spearheading that movement.
Joe: But Bob, I thought you liked the way I hunt, and it was OK for me to do that type of hunting?
Bob: Well Joe, no, any and all types of hunting are bad, the poor defenseless animals never have a chance, and we dislike, actually we hate hunters.
Joe: But I thought the way I hunted was “real” hunting to you?
Bob: Joe, it was all real hunting, but we at PETA and HSUS hate you. Thanks for all your help, we greatly appreciate it.

You see, what Joe became was a “Cannibal”, a “Useful Idiot” to the anti-hunters at HSUS and PETA . They don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, or where you hunt, they just want all hunting done away with. The sad thing is that they use hunters against hunters for their causes. If you do not support any and all forms of legal hunting, or voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you my friend are a “Cannibal”, and a very “Useful Idiot” to the enemy. Think twice the next time you mouth off against another hunter’s methods, they could be coming after you next.

Written by: John Wasmuth

[CBintheNorth]

Well if I must like them, I may as well join them....which isle are the pool noodles in?

[S-in-Cochrane]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Well if I must like them, I may as well join them....which isle are the pool noodles in?

Haha. Love it. I found some bright coloured ones at Walmart. Anyone know if they come in REALTREE?

[Dacotensis]

Originally Posted by S-in-Cochrane

Haha. Love it. I found some bright coloured ones at Walmart. Anyone know if they come in REALTREE?

The next million dollar idea, discovered here first on AO.

And yes, I like the post Froggy.

[Gumbi]

Pool Noodles already... Yep good read, people can learn things from it maybe........ lol

[Stinky Buffalo]

Thanks to you guys, I can't look at pool noodles anymore without thinking of hunting! THANKS A LOT! Pffft!

Good points made in that article, Redfrog. Thanks for posting it!

[KegRiver]

I suspect that what that article says is happening right now, and right in front of our eyes. And many do not see it.

That was one scenario, I can see there being many ways to get hunters to do the anti hunters work.

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I suspect that what that article says is happening right now, and right in front of our eyes. And many do not see it.

That was one scenario, I can see there being many ways to get hunters to do the anti hunters work.

x2

[Cyclops]

The guy's last name was Peta for Pete's sake. That should have been Joe's first clue.

[GeoTrekr]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I suspect that what that article says is happening right now, and right in front of our eyes. And many do not see it.

That was one scenario, I can see there being many ways to get hunters to do the anti hunters work.

Not even just hunters - firearms owners in general can easily fall victim to this ("Who needs a __________________ anyway?"). We must be careful what we wish for, as we just might get it.

[CaberTosser]

This quote by pastor Martin Niemöller (one of a few variations on the same theme attributed to him) sums it up pretty well:


First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.



The same technique can have the bow hunters or muzzle-loader fans getting their fellow hunters semi-auto rifles banned, or rifle hunters having handguns banned, or longbow hunters having crossbows banned; either out of ignorance or spite, possibly with the thought that their "sacrifice" will appease the voracious anti, who will only pursue them next.

[bcpappy]

I hate loosers like that in this country, they have no respect for a heritage that is part of north america. 99.9% of them had family that hunted way back when, here or in the country their family came from and forgot why there family bloodlines are still alive today. Too stupid to realize that their ancestors hunted to stay alive. Very ignorant and very disrespectfull. I sat down and had a drink with a friend of a friend who opposed hunting. We started talking, I said to him would you move to any other country and tell them to stop doing what they have been doing for hundreds of years because its your opinion? His answer was no. Then I asked him why he needs to try and change this country now? and if you don't like it here then move back to where you or your family came from. No anti hunter has a good answer for those questions .

[FCLightning]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I suspect that what that article says is happening right now, and right in front of our eyes. And many do not see it.

That was one scenario, I can see there being many ways to get hunters to do the anti hunters work.

The "real" hunters are alive and well on this forum itself.

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

The same technique can have the bow hunters or muzzle-loader fans getting their fellow hunters semi-auto rifles banned, or rifle hunters having handguns banned, or longbow hunters having crossbows banned; either out of ignorance or spite, possibly with the thought that their "sacrifice" will appease the voracious anti, who will only pursue them next.

Excellent point that many should consider well IMO. People tend to not care that 'others' rights are being curtailed because it doesn't affect them. So short sighted, pathetic.

[TRAPPER92]

One example - hunting Coyotes with dogs! No longer legal.

[Tactical Lever]

Originally Posted by FCLightning

The "real" hunters are alive and well on this forum itself.

Yup, pass the noodles!

[ishootbambi]

this thread needs a better title. there arent nearly enough people reading it....

[pikeslayer22]

Originally Posted by TRAPPER92

One example - hunting Coyotes with dogs! No longer legal.

With a permit it is

[greylynx]

Originally Posted by ishootbambi

this thread needs a better title. there arent nearly enough people reading it....

x2

Please, then comment.

[vcmm]

You guys should read whats going on in the Guns don't kill thread.

[GeoTrekr]

Originally Posted by GeoTrekr

Not even just hunters - firearms owners in general can easily fall victim to this ("Who needs a __________________ anyway?"). We must be careful what we wish for, as we just might get it.

Originally Posted by vcmm

You guys should read whats going on in the Guns don't kill thread.

It's a case study of my above statement. When will we finally learn?

[petew]

Canibals?
The Canibals never had problems with PETA etc , when hunting was done the old way, with a very high standard of behaviour,{they call it ethics now} and before the big easy button was so popular. You know, when you parked and walked, and record books were something nobody realy cared about.
High fences were unheard of, and the list goes on.
It seems today, far to many that want the easy button at every oportunity, and go out of their way to find every loop hole possible to circumvent the old ways of doing things that was accepted by the public, are blaming those that dont for the issues hunting is sufering from, and constantly blaming us for the problems they are creating.
We , the Canibals are not creating the bad immage, and the issues, however the non canibals are creating them and this is affecting the Canibal way of life and hunting.
Stop searching out every easy button you can think of. Accept that your new way is what creats the issues.
If you want to bow hunt use a bow, if you want a muzzle loader season, shoot an iron sighted old style side lock and lead with limited range, don't go for the 250 300 yard modern stuff and then boast about what you did with your Muzzle Loader,as if it is a primitive weapon, when it shoots farther than a 30-30.
Pete

[nekred]

I love how people talk about the good ol' days....

What poaching never happened back then?

This is a good article and makes lots of sense... The only delineation we should be making is betwen hunters and poachers.

Ethics is a personal thing. When we have collective ethics those become the laws of our society. When we try to force our ethics on others then we create divisions and fractures.

If you choose to shoot an animal with a modern inline in a black powder season whether or not I determine if it fits my ethics or not is irrelevant, it is a lawful practice by a fellow hunter and we can applaud it.

Just like someone who decides to use a longbow in pursuit of their quarry does not need to be judged nor should they be judging others for the LAWFUL practices.

Divide and Conquer is a fundamental tent of warfare.

make no mistake we are waging a war tom maintain our hunting heritage not for just us but our children. I am fortunate in theat MY right to hunt is enshrined in legislation. But if I turn my head when those whose rights are not similarily enshrined are under attack, how long before my rights are under attack.

When Hitler euthanized the sick, the mentally ill, the infirm and people with other disabilities many people did not stand up, then he moved on to ethnic groups such as the Roma, Jews, and then was starting on the Slavs and it became the Holocaust. because it was too late to stand up and those who did were destroyed... look at the White Rose, and even those who if they would have stood up in the 30's there probably would not have been the horrible atrocities committed. When Rommel finally provided opposition he was given the opportunity to quietly remove himself off of the planet in order to save his family. Colonel von Staufenburg faced the same thing and was willing to make an ultimate sacrifice even if it was a failure... because it was too late!.

Divide and Conquer.... We would not have won WW2 if Stalin and Hitler did not betray each other.

[nekred]

Originally Posted by petew

Canibals?
The Canibals never had problems with PETA etc , when hunting was done the old way, with a very high standard of behaviour,{they call it ethics now} and before the big easy button was so popular. You know, when you parked and walked, and record books were something nobody realy cared about.
High fences were unheard of, and the list goes on.
It seems today, far to many that want the easy button at every oportunity, and go out of their way to find every loop hole possible to circumvent the old ways of doing things that was accepted by the public, are blaming those that dont for the issues hunting is sufering from, and constantly blaming us for the problems they are creating.
We , the Canibals are not creating the bad immage, and the issues, however the non canibals are creating them and this is affecting the Canibal way of life and hunting.
Stop searching out every easy button you can think of. Accept that your new way is what creats the issues.
If you want to bow hunt use a bow, if you want a muzzle loader season, shoot an iron sighted old style side lock and lead with limited range, don't go for the 250 300 yard modern stuff and then boast about what you did with your Muzzle Loader,as if it is a primitive weapon, when it shoots farther than a 30-30.
Pete

Also Pete in the Good old days it was ILLEGAL to use a bow to hunt game in Alberta.... because it was considered very unethical by those who did not understand!...

[petew]

Originally Posted by nekred

Also Pete in the Good old days it was ILLEGAL to use a bow to hunt game in Alberta.... because it was considered very unethical by those who did not understand!...

Not in my time it wasn't.

[CBintheNorth]

Bump.

[SD1797]

Great post yet again frog! Hopefully people learn a little something from it.

[lindenite]

Thank you, that was a great post!

[wildwoods]

This one should be bumped. All the way to where the real hunter reside: Texas


Great memory CB

[waterhawk]

Originally Posted by nekred

I love how people talk about the good ol' days....

What poaching never happened back then?

This is a good article and makes lots of sense... The only delineation we should be making is betwen hunters and poachers.

Ethics is a personal thing. When we have collective ethics those become the laws of our society. When we try to force our ethics on others then we create divisions and fractures.

If you choose to shoot an animal with a modern inline in a black powder season whether or not I determine if it fits my ethics or not is irrelevant, it is a lawful practice by a fellow hunter and we can applaud it.

Just like someone who decides to use a longbow in pursuit of their quarry does not need to be judged nor should they be judging others for the LAWFUL practices.

Divide and Conquer is a fundamental tent of warfare.

make no mistake we are waging a war tom maintain our hunting heritage not for just us but our children. I am fortunate in theat MY right to hunt is enshrined in legislation. But if I turn my head when those whose rights are not similarily enshrined are under attack, how long before my rights are under attack.

When Hitler euthanized the sick, the mentally ill, the infirm and people with other disabilities many people did not stand up, then he moved on to ethnic groups such as the Roma, Jews, and then was starting on the Slavs and it became the Holocaust. because it was too late to stand up and those who did were destroyed... look at the White Rose, and even those who if they would have stood up in the 30's there probably would not have been the horrible atrocities committed. When Rommel finally provided opposition he was given the opportunity to quietly remove himself off of the planet in order to save his family. Colonel von Staufenburg faced the same thing and was willing to make an ultimate sacrifice even if it was a failure... because it was too late!.

Divide and Conquer.... We would not have won WW2 if Stalin and Hitler did not betray each other.

I have trouble with this post. Nekred seems to be saying that we should not criticize other hunters for hunting in a legal manner. He then goes on to talk about the failure of Germans to oppose the Nazi's treatment people like the mentally ill and Jews. The thing is, that treatment was legal under the laws that were in place at that time in Germany. By Nekred's logic the German people had no right to criticize the Nazi's because they were acting in a legal manner. I maintain it is my right and duty to criticize any hunter that is hunting in what I consider to be an unsportsmanlike or unethical manner, whether the way he is hunting is legal or not.