How would a Quebec separation from Canada look like?

[From The Hip]

IMO Quebec needs Canada more than Canada needs Quebec.If Quebec were to seperate they will get burdened with their fair share of the national debt and no longer get transfer payments not to mention a bunch of other stuff.Quebec would have to get it's own currency as their is no damn way they would get to use the Canadian dollar as a fiat currency as they would no longer be Canadian.All Federal jobs in Quebec would instantly be terminated across all departments including the MP's of the NDP as they would no longer have a voice in the Canadian parliament or the Senate as they are no longer Canadian representatives.The army/air force/navy/coast guard also would be stripped and redistributed to other bases in Canada.Or let go if they did not want with to belong to those Canadian branches of service.

Also every citizen of Quebec would lose all entitlements instantly to the OAS retirement benefit.No way Canada is going to pay OAS to people in Quebec when they are not sending taxes to Ottawa.

Then there is the civil unrest that would happen from all the money that the province no longer gets.No more low cost university education nor funding of the arts and other such stuff.Imagine how bad the student demonstrations would be compared to when they last happened and the cost of tuition still had university students in Quebec paying the lowest tuition costs in Canada.Then there is the angle with the first nations in Quebec and that would get ugly real fast as Quebec could not rely on the Canadian army to take of things.

If Quebec did actually seperate it would be a short divorce and they would come crawling back begging to be part of Canada.Though I do hope it would be with a lot of changes for Federal transfers and the like and a lot less pandering to a bunch of whiney poutine eating distinct society types.

FTH

[BeeGuy]

It's wrong to think that Quebec has an empty hand. They don't, and many places in Canada would feel the repercussions of such a foolish action.

[Redfrog]

Quebec has nothing to bring to the table except irritation for Canada. Never has, never will. They suck on the teat till it's dry.

I say see ya, wouldn't want to be ya.

[BeeGuy]

Quebec contributes about 20% of Canada's GDP and 15% of international exports.

More importantly, Quebec has a diversified economy, with considerable manufacturing, something other more irritable provinces would do well to take note of while applying ointment to their sore nipples.

[greylynx]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Quebec contributes about 20% of Canada's GDP and 15% of international exports.

More importantly, Quebec has a diversified economy, with considerable manufacturing, something other more irritable provinces would do well to take note of while applying ointment to their sore nipples.

International exports subsidized by Alberta.

What are the Alberta transfer payments that have gone to Quebec since 1968?

I figure about 150 billion by now.

87 percent of all new jobs in Canada in the last two years have been created in Alberta.

Ontario is on the rocks.

We feed them, and all they do is kick us in the face.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by greylynx

International exports subsidized by Alberta.

What are the Alberta transfer payments that have gone to Quebec since 1968?

I figure about 150 billion by now.

87 percent of all new jobs in Canada in the last two years have been created in Alberta.

Ontario is on the rocks.

We feed them, and all they do is kick us in the face.

Banana Republics survive only so long as there are bananas

[trophyboy]

To answer the thread question:

WHO CARES? WE'D ALL BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT QUEBEC AND QUEBEC PROBABLY WOULD BE BETTER OFF TOO, AT LEAST IN THEIR OWN MINDS. AS LONG AS THEY PAY BACK THE BILLIONS IN TRANSFER PAYMENTS FIRST!

[norwestalta]

I say cut our loses. Even if it means we got to pay the bill we'll still be farther ahead. The old adage applies "don't call us we'll call you".

[connexion123]

What would Canada look like without Quebec?...pretty darn good

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by Dick284

Do you really think the Quebec soverigntists want to separate from Canada if it means paying back their portion of the national debt, and doing away with things like sociAl benefits and transfer payments.

The sovereignty seekers in Qc, are akin to a spoiled child throwing a tantrum, and promising to run away from home.

Once they figure out they can't have their cake and eat it too....... Guess where it will go?

I disagree.

Think about it for a minute... what they want is what all of us want really.... a better deal.
Who doesn't want that for themselves?

Albertans want to be free from transfer payments... Toronto solutions to gun control, bilingualism etc etc.
Nobody likes it when Ottawa forces something down their gullets.

The idea of individual countries or states forming an independant part of a whole is hardly new.... look at the USA and the UK.

Rather than get upset about what Quebec seems to be interested in...we should probably consider that its not a bad idea for the rest of us.

For one thing... it would know doubt result in a better balance of power between the provinces.

[riden]

Originally Posted by recce43

well 60% of lands in quebec are native lands so they would stay part of Canada under the treaty rights

The James Bay treaty would really muddy those waters. Natives in northern Quebec, no longer own the land.

It would be really complicated.

[Sundancefisher]

Nothing stops Quebec from using cdn currency for a new country of Quebec. They would have no control over monetary policy. A number of counties use US currency such as Zimbabwe.

Helps control runaway inflation. My trillion dollar Zimbabwe notes made for some crazy prices.

[BeeGuy]

I wonder how many posters in this thread have never been to Quebec...or have ever been outside of Alberta for that matter.

Quebec separating is about as brilliant an idea as Alberta separating.

[norwestalta]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

I wonder how many posters in this thread have never been to Quebec...or have ever been outside of Alberta for that matter.

Quebec separating is about as brilliant an idea as Alberta separating.

Either/or its all good. You going to lead the movement?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

I wonder how many posters in this thread have never been to Quebec...or have ever been outside of Alberta for that matter.

Quebec separating is about as brilliant an idea as Alberta separating.

I have.

What is the point. Quebec would have the vote to leave. I have not heard that we can vote for them to leave.

I don't think there are enough fanatics that would vote to leave. Common sense will prevail.

I woud take two quebecers perch fishing right now. Your average person is not a nut job.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by norwestalta

Either/or its all good. You going to lead the movement?

Nope. I prefer my Canada as a whole.

Would you prefer Alberta with Redford as Prime Minister/President?

It would be far more costly to lose Quebec than to keep them.

A diversified economy is a far more stable economy. Coal, natural gas, and oil is diversification though, hey?

Canada as a whole benefits from all its parts and would suffer as a whole if any one were removed.

[histyle]

I actually have been to Quebec, both for work & for vacation. It is a beautiful province, and the people in the rural areas are the salt of the earth kind of people that live in all rural areas. The problem is in the cities of Montreal & Quebec, and their surrounding 'burbs. These are the most entitled, bloviating, 'holier than thou' fools I have ever encountered in any language. They can vote to separate all they want, it is the rest of the country that subsidizes them that should get to vote, too. That would be an eye opener! I say good riddance, and please let your big, bloated, centralized big government Socialist Republic of New France door hit you in the butt at least 100X on the way out.

[pickrel pat]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Nope. I prefer my Canada as a whole.

Would you prefer Alberta with Redford as Premier/President?

It would be far more costly to lose Quebec than to keep them.

A diversified economy is a far more stable economy. Coal, natural gas, and oil is diversification though, hey?

Canada as a whole benefits from all its parts and would suffer as a whole if any one were removed.

Agreed.

[norwestalta]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Nope. I prefer my Canada as a whole.

Would you prefer Alberta with Redford as Premier/President?

It would be far more costly to lose Quebec than to keep them.

A diversified economy is a far more stable economy. Coal, natural gas, and oil is diversification though, hey?

Canada as a whole benefits from all its parts and would suffer as a whole if any one were removed.

That's fine if you prefer to have Canada as a whole. I prefer to see a eastern Canada and a western Canada.
Seems to me what we're lacking out here is manufacturing which we import anyways. I haven't seen much manufactured goods that come out of Quebec.
I think they need us much more then we need them

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by histyle

I actually have been to Quebec, both for work & for vacation. It is a beautiful province, and the people in the rural areas are the salt of the earth kind of people that live in all rural areas. The problem is in the cities of Montreal & Quebec, and their surrounding 'burbs. These are the most entitled, bloviating, 'holier than thou' fools I have ever encountered in any language. They can vote to separate all they want, it is the rest of the country that subsidizes them that should get to vote, too. That would be an eye opener! I say good riddance, and please let your big, bloated, centralized big government Socialist Republic of New France door hit you in the butt at least 100X on the way out.

Sounds like rural Alberta compared to Calgary and Edmonton.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by histyle

I actually have been to Quebec, both for work & for vacation. It is a beautiful province, and the people in the rural areas are the salt of the earth kind of people that live in all rural areas. The problem is in the cities of Montreal & Quebec, and their surrounding 'burbs. These are the most entitled, bloviating, 'holier than thou' fools I have ever encountered in any language. They can vote to separate all they want, it is the rest of the country that subsidizes them that should get to vote, too. That would be an eye opener! I say good riddance, and please let your big, bloated, centralized big government Socialist Republic of New France door hit you in the butt at least 100X on the way out.

Well it looks like you don't post much, but when you do it's definitely worth reading.

You pretty much nailed it

It's easy to say Q has a diversified economy perking right along, and neglect to mention transfer payments and gov't subsidies grants and free money.
A teenager can do very well selling street art and picking tomatoes, as long as someone else pays the bills.

Beautiful province, great people, 'my Canada', sophisticated, bilingual, as long as both languages are French, and the best part........buses travelling there every day. The beauty of being free. Pack a jam sandwich and get on the bus if you don't like living in Alberta. I've never seen armed soldiers trying to stop someone from "getting gone."

[BBT]

Give Quebec separatists PEI then charge them massive Tolls to use the bridge.

[connexion123]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

I wonder how many posters in this thread have never been to Quebec...or have ever been outside of Alberta for that matter.

Quebec separating is about as brilliant an idea as Alberta separating.

Both good ideas, I agree.

And i've been, as well as many other places outside of Alberta.

But thanks for thinly veiling your contempt for people who wish to see quebec gone.

We're not all hicks who haven't left Alberta.

[silverdoctor]

Quebec separation or their "soveriegnity" has nothing to do with them leaving Canada and becoming their own nation folks. they want to be the 40 year old living in the parents basement calling the shots and living off the parental tit.

They haven't even signed the constitution for gawd sakes, it's a temper tantrum cause it's not what they want.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by connexion123

Both good ideas, I agree.

Yep like a big frosty pitcher of Margaritas. Reason to celebrate.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by connexion123

Both good ideas, I agree.

And i've been, as well as many other places outside of Alberta.

But thanks for thinly veiling your contempt for people who wish to see quebec gone.

We're not all hicks who haven't left Alberta.

Then you must realize that the average quebec-er is pretty much like the average Albertan. None too happy with their government.

Would you like the rest of Canada to judge you based on Alison Redford? Want to be judged on her policies? Want to be judged on her gross waste of taxpayer dollars?

That would be ridiculous wouldn't it?

What many people are confusing here is politics with people.

[winger7mm]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Nope. I prefer my Canada as a whole.

Would you prefer Alberta with Redford as Prime Minister/President?

It would be far more costly to lose Quebec than to keep them.

A diversified economy is a far more stable economy. Coal, natural gas, and oil is diversification though, hey?

Canada as a whole benefits from all its parts and would suffer as a whole if any one were removed.

I can bet that almost everyone on AO calls themselfs Canadian, then Albertan (or where ever they call back home), But canadian first! Quebec nope, they are Quebecois. That right there is reason enough to say See Ya! Remember it wasnt that long ago they almost put a law in place where a major corporation such as walmart HAD to change its name to the french saying, until the corporation said do that and we'll pull our stores.

I may be jaded, I may not be overly educated, I may be young and dumb. I dont know the stats, but im sure most of them would like to be on there own but still accept the perks from more well off provinces. As I said before they are not Canadians they are Quebecois, better off with out them then with them IMO.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by winger7mm

I can bet that almost everyone on AO calls themselfs Canadian, then Albertan (or where ever they call back home), But canadian first! Quebec nope, they are Quebecois. That right there is reason enough to say See Ya! Remember it wasnt that long ago they almost put a law in place where a major corporation such as walmart HAD to change its name to the french saying, until the corporation said do that and we'll pull our stores.

I may be jaded, I may not be overly educated, I may be young and dumb. I dont know the stats, but im sure most of them would like to be on there own but still accept the perks from more well off provinces. As I said before they are not Canadians they are Quebecois, better off with out them then with them IMO.

What do you base that on? Anything? Stuff you read from other guys who paint an entire group of people with the same muddied brush?

Seems silly to hate something you admit to knowing little about.

Ever been to Quebec? Know many Quebec-ers?

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by winger7mm

I can bet that almost everyone on AO calls themselfs Canadian, then Albertan (or where ever they call back home), But canadian first! Quebec nope, they are Quebecois. That right there is reason enough to say See Ya! Remember it wasnt that long ago they almost put a law in place where a major corporation such as walmart HAD to change its name to the french saying, until the corporation said do that and we'll pull our stores.

I may be jaded, I may not be overly educated, I may be young and dumb. I dont know the stats, but im sure most of them would like to be on there own but still accept the perks from more well off provinces. As I said before they are not Canadians they are Quebecois, better off with out them then with them IMO.

This is absolutely wrong.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by winger7mm

I can bet that almost everyone on AO calls themselfs Canadian, then Albertan (or where ever they call back home), But canadian first! Quebec nope, they are Quebecois. That right there is reason enough to say See Ya! Remember it wasnt that long ago they almost put a law in place where a major corporation such as walmart HAD to change its name to the french saying, until the corporation said do that and we'll pull our stores.

I may be jaded, I may not be overly educated, I may be young and dumb. I dont know the stats, but im sure most of them would like to be on there own but still accept the perks from more well off provinces. As I said before they are not Canadians they are Quebecois, better off with out them then with them IMO.

Of course you are correct. The entitlement attitude is pervasive in Q.

Don't worry about someone taking your stuff out of context. They have no argument and know it.