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Old 01-17-2016, 12:02 PM
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Really? talk about drivel ..Demographics being what they are. A number of folks here and elsewhere have indicated the world is changing. Change with it or become a dinosaur.... Not great choices!

We survived by adapting and making choices something called Freedom! My ancestors have fought many battles over it. Things do change but somethings remain the same....
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You say history repeats itself - but history tells me the communists fought the fascists in World War 2.
Until Germany invaded Russia in 1941, Russia and Germany were allies. Both the communists and fascists invaded other countries and slaughtered millions of people as allies prior to that invasion.
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Until Germany invaded Russia in 1941, Russia and Germany were allies. Both invaded other countries and slaughtered millions of people as allies prior to that invasion.
Don't forget the US fascists made a lot of money with, and supported Hitler's fascists until they were attacked at Pearl Harbor in December 1941 by the Japanese.

Japan before the War was a wartime expansionist military regime, ready to fight communism.
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Please enlighten us as to who they are?

You say history repeats itself - but history tells me the communists fought the fascists in World War 2.

Who is this powerful political, economic, military, fascist, communist common denominator "they group" who are hellbent on world hegemony, control, domination and destruction of your way of life?

Who's interests do they serve and what is their ultimate goal?

Unless you can explain to us who they are - please pass the tin foil hat along to somebody else more qualified to wear it.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

I don't agree with everything in the video, but it definitely lays out who they are..
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Old 01-17-2016, 12:49 PM
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Don't forget the US fascists made a lot of money with, and supported Hitler's fascists until they were attacked at Pearl Harbor in December 1941 by the Japanese.

Japan before the War was a wartime expansionist military regime, ready to fight communism.

None of which changes the fact that Russia and Germany signed a pact in 1939. The communists and fascists agreed to a deal that lasted until Germany invaded Russia in 1941.
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None of which changes the fact that Russia and Germany signed a pact in 1939. The communists and fascists agreed to a deal that lasted until Germany invaded Russia in 1941.
None of which changes the fact that any fascist worth his weight in salt will sign a deal with the devil himself.
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Old 01-17-2016, 01:13 PM
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That's what they said. (paraphrasing)



(but I agree...Justin has no delusions of world domination) He just wants to get a selfie with the world leader. He's a pawn that has been brainwashed into believing that less guns = less crime. Like so many other people it seems. Weak minded people with zero critical thinking ability.

Calling him just a pawn is being generous! I have other terms not so acceptable.
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Old 01-17-2016, 01:19 PM
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None of which changes the fact that any fascist worth his weight in salt will sign a deal with the devil himself.
Yet two of the most famous fascists in history did just that in WW2.
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Please enlighten us as to who they are?

You say history repeats itself - but history tells me the communists fought the fascists in World War 2.

Who is this powerful political, economic, military, fascist, communist common denominator "they group" who are hellbent on world hegemony, control, domination and destruction of your way of life?

Who's interests do they serve and what is their ultimate goal?

Unless you can explain to us who they are - please pass the tin foil hat along to somebody else more qualified to wear it.
The libs. The anti firearm community
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Another thread derailed.
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Another thread derailed.
Just as the Liberals will derail the ownership of firearms by Canadian citizens.
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Old 01-17-2016, 02:21 PM
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Another thread derailed.
Not so fast. This is all tied together. See UN Agenda 21, and the small arms treaty. All part of the picture. But you have a point. We can talk about this till the cows come home and there is very little we can do.
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Not so fast. This is all tied together. See UN Agenda 21, and the small arms treaty. All part of the picture. But you have a point. We can talk about this till the cows come home and there is very little we can do.
Now we may be getting a little closer to who they are here.
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Old 01-17-2016, 03:07 PM
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Why would a pal holder legally obtain a firearm and sell it to a criminal? The point I was trying make is that
More likely than not the firearm and magazine were probably not legally purchased.
Google "straw purchaser" PAL holders buy firearms for criminals for financial gain. Street value of gun is 2 to 3 times that of purchase value.

And my point is that unless it came across the border which is highly unlikely, than at some point both items were legally imported and sold in Canada.
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Old 01-17-2016, 03:14 PM
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Google "straw purchaser" PAL holders buy firearms for criminals for financial gain. Street value of gun is 2 to 3 times that of purchase value.

And my point is that unless it came across the border which is highly unlikely, than at some point both items were legally imported and sold in Canada.
Face palm. Again if you ban these firearms to the citizens they will be smuggled into the country.
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Old 01-17-2016, 03:38 PM
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Why would a pal holder legally obtain a firearm and sell it to a criminal? The point I was trying make is that
More likely than not the firearm and magazine were probably not legally purchased.
I wouldn't be surprised. No ones tracking how many guns a guy buys. If a guy is clean but has ties to criminals and can get good money buying and selling guns to them why wouldn't they? Low chance they get caught IMO, without a registry in place.

With that SKS its more likely it WAS purchased legally and was either stolen from the original owner or someone the shooter knew owned it and either gave it to him or he swiped it from the residence. A gun you can get here in Alberta for 200 bucks retail isn't worth trying to smuggle over the border IMO.
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I wouldn't be surprised. No ones tracking how many guns a guy buys. If a guy is clean but has ties to criminals and can get good money buying and selling guns to them why wouldn't they? Low chance they get caught IMO, without a registry in place.

With that SKS its more likely it WAS purchased legally and was either stolen from the original owner or someone the shooter knew owned it and either gave it to him or he swiped it from the residence. A gun you can get here in Alberta for 200 bucks retail isn't worth trying to smuggle over the border IMO.
If there was a registry, it wouldn't change the amount of gun crime. It would cost billions of $ over time. Can you prove me wrong?
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2 things. some gun ranges offer storage.

Don't mistake someone simply being an a**hole or lack of driving skill for planning...
He probably reading into the situation too much but in the past while the registry was in effect I had some experiences with the police that made me go hmmm... I was pulled over at least once a year (usually twice) for no apparent reason, wasn't speeding, didn't break any traffic laws or anything. The worst thing I have on my record is a couple speeding tickets for marginally over the limit. I to this day firmly believe that I was pulled over simply for owning guns (some of their actions and questions raised that suspicion) because it stopped immediately after the registry was scrapped, I believe that they do act intentionally.
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:07 PM
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Face palm. Again if you ban these firearms to the citizens they will be smuggled into the country.

I only answered the questions asked and I 100% agree that if they are banned here then smuggling will increase. But right now B&E's and "straw purchaser" are the preferred method to obtain firearms for criminal use.

So the Liberals believe that banning certain firearms will remove 2 options for criminals to obtain a firearm (ie. If SKS are banned then they can not be purchased or stolen) If this happens would smuggling be able to increase enough to fill the void? or Would the number of crime firearms be reduced?

They are never going to get all the guns away from criminals but the police should at least attempt to limit or combat the ways criminals are obtaining firearms.

If you look at the 3 methods that criminals are obtaining guns...

1. Straw Purchaser
2. Theft
3. Smuggling

I don't feel banning firearms will really solve anything. Maybe they can use the tax payers dollars to combat these problems in a proactive manner?

Better screening on PAL applicants?, education to home owner and gun owner and home safety and security?, increase searches at ports of entry?

These are things the authorities can enforce and control. Stiffer penalties and changes to laws are for the politicians.
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I only answered the questions asked and I 100% agree that if they are banned here then smuggling will increase. But right now B&E's and "straw purchaser" are the preferred method to obtain firearms for criminal use.

So the Liberals believe that banning certain firearms will remove 2 options for criminals to obtain a firearm (ie. If SKS are banned then they can not be purchased or stolen) If this happens would smuggling be able to increase enough to fill the void? or Would the number of crime firearms be reduced?

They are never going to get all the guns away from criminals but the police should at least attempt to limit or combat the ways criminals are obtaining firearms.

If you look at the 3 methods that criminals are obtaining guns...

1. Straw Purchaser
2. Theft
3. Smuggling

I don't feel banning firearms will really solve anything. Maybe they can use the tax payers dollars to combat these problems in a proactive manner?

Better screening on PAL applicants?, education to home owner and gun owner and home safety and security?, increase searches at ports of entry?

These are things the authorities can enforce and control. Stiffer penalties and changes to laws are for the politicians.
At what point is my locked house an invitation to steal my property. Putting all the blame on victims of crime is not the way to do thing's.

You are dealing with criminals who don't care what laws are in place.

How many more laws do we need to make to reinforce the existing ones that get broken?

Straw purchases would happen with a registry in place. There was a gun store that was doing this with the hell angles involved .
http://panow.com/article/512424/gun-...arges-tally-19

Criminals will always find a way.
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At what point is my locked house an invitation to steal my property. Putting all the blame on victims of crime is not the way to do thing's.

You are dealing with criminals who don't care what laws are in place.

How many more laws do we need to make to reinforce the existing ones that get broken?

Straw purchases would happen with a registry in place. There was a gun store that was doing this with the hell angles involved .
http://panow.com/article/512424/gun-...arges-tally-19

Criminals will always find a way.
Agreed 100%.

Banning anything doesn't matter to criminals, because, THEY'RE CRIMINALS.

Decriminalization of firearms ownership is needed. Allow ccw. Crime DECREASES where legal firearms carry increases.

That is FBI statistics. Argue that.

Point is, liberals and socialists believe in utopia which is NOT EVER attainable.

They believe in NEVER blaming the person, but the inanimate object, UNLESS, you hold opposing political views.

Buy big and stack deep. Stand together.

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Old 01-17-2016, 09:15 PM
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At what point is my locked house an invitation to steal my property. Putting all the blame on victims of crime is not the way to do thing's.

You are dealing with criminals who don't care what laws are in place.

How many more laws do we need to make to reinforce the existing ones that get broken?

Straw purchases would happen with a registry in place. There was a gun store that was doing this with the hell angles involved .
http://panow.com/article/512424/gun-...arges-tally-19

Criminals will always find a way.
We have had instances of firearms being stolen from police officer's vehicles, and from the military, as well as a police service pistol being left on a ferry, so even if all civilian firearms are banned, there will still be firearms that are available to criminals that want them. The Liberals/RCMP can ban all civilian firearms, and it won't keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.
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At what point is my locked house an invitation to steal my property. Putting all the blame on victims of crime is not the way to do thing's.

You are dealing with criminals who don't care what laws are in place.

How many more laws do we need to make to reinforce the existing ones that get broken?

Straw purchases would happen with a registry in place. There was a gun store that was doing this with the hell angles involved .
http://panow.com/article/512424/gun-...arges-tally-19

Criminals will always find a way.
It is not about blaming the victims, it is about making yourself less of a target.

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As you said criminals will find a way, but criminals are also lazy and will pick the easiest target.
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Old 01-18-2016, 06:28 AM
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We have had instances of firearms being stolen from police officer's vehicles, and from the military, as well as a police service pistol being left on a ferry, so even if all civilian firearms are banned, there will still be firearms that are available to criminals that want them. The Liberals/RCMP can ban all civilian firearms, and it won't keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.
Though these events which you have now mentioned several times are disturbing and avoidable, I highly doubt that criminals are focusing their efforts to obtain firearms from police inventories.

But if you would used tax payer dollars and provide education to the 4-5 involved Members then that is your PLAN! What effect that may have on the overall criminal use of firearms might be questionable, but so be it.
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Though these events which you have now mentioned several times are disturbing and avoidable, I highly doubt that criminals are focusing their efforts to obtain firearms from police inventories.

But if you would used tax payer dollars and provide education to the 4-5 involved Members then that is your PLAN! What effect that may have on the overall criminal use of firearms might be questionable, but so be it.
Most criminals are not focusing on police and military firearms, but once the Liberals/RCMP eliminate the civilian firearms, then those targets will become much more more attractive. As to educating someone that is stupid enough to leave a loaded pistol on a ferry, I fear that we would be better served if that individual was not allowed to possess firearms. The person that thought it was a good idea to leave a service rifle in his vehicle as he was in the restaurant might also be better suited to a different occupation. These people are being paid to protect the public, yet their actions are endangering the public.
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So b d are you suggesting women that are out and about should dress up ugly to avoid being raped? Your anti-gun posts sure seem to be along the lines of shaming and blaming the victim. Very strange.
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So b d are you suggesting women that are out and about should dress up ugly to avoid being raped? Your anti-gun posts sure seem to be along the lines of shaming and blaming the victim. Very strange.
Anti gun????? And the rape comment dressing ugly is fairly short sighted.

Don't need to dress ugly,

but

maybe don't walk alone at night in high crime areas, go to bars with friends, have a plan to get home, be confident in how you walk (head up, looking around)

If the best idea you can come up with is to dress ugly to avoid rape then I suggest you refraining from providing women with safety advice.
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So, I almost threw up in my coffee this morning. CBC reports that the RCMP is moving agressively under the Criminal Code to ban semi-automatic firearms. They said that they requested the update to the criminal code under the Conservatives they were ignored but the Liberals have confirmed they will go ahead with the update immediately "while undergoing consultations" which means they will arrange to have at least some, (probably all) semi-automatic rifle owners turn in their rifles in or be found in contravention of the criminal code.

I dont think anyone on here will be surprised by this move. next they will probably go after hunting and fishing rights.

From the CBC this morning

The number of military-style firearms that can be temporarily jury-rigged to become automatic weapons has increased "dramatically" in Canada over the last decade — and so has the public-safety risk.

That's the stark conclusion of an internal RCMP laboratory report on improvised methods for upgrading semi-automatic weapons, and for illegally altering magazine clips to allow for rapid continuous fire.


The lab report notes that Criminal Code regulations designed to thwart makeshift upgrades may not apply to newer generations of weapons, creating a legal void.

"The restricted and prohibited firearm provisions of Criminal Code regulations were last updated in 1995, and there are presently numerous models of military and paramilitary firearms on the Canadian market which are outside the scope of the Criminal Code regulations, many being non-restricted in classification," says the 15-page report.

"The Canadian introduction of new types of military and paramilitary firearms not mentioned in the Criminal Code regulations, nearly all with large capacity magazines sizes, started circa 2005 and has accelerated since."

"The public safety threat posed by improvised conversion to full automatic fire has correspondingly increased."


RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson alerted then public safety minister Steven Blaney last year to potential legislative gaps in Criminal Code gun provisions. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)

A heavily censored version of the internal report, dated November 2014, was obtained by CBC News under the Access to Information Act.

CBC News has previously reported on the RCMP's concerns about improvised assault-weapon upgrades, an issue raised by RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson directly with then public safety minister Steven Blaney last year. But the detailed Mountie lab work documenting the issue was released only in the last week.

Last summer, Blaney rejected legislative changes to close any regulatory gap, saying the current law was sufficient. The Conservative government also passed Bill C-42 giving cabinet — not the RCMP — the final say about which weapons to restrict or ban, after the Mounties were slapped down for trying to get a popular semi-automatic withdrawn from Canada.

Some rifles could be banned

But the new Liberal government has promised to "put decision-making about weapons restrictions back into the hands of police, not politicians," raising the possibility the RCMP may yet be able to get some semi-automatics taken off the market.

A Mountie spokesman, Sgt. Harold Pfleiderer, would not say whether the RCMP is pressing the new Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale to act on the issue. "The RCMP does not comment on the advice it provides to the minister," he said in an email.

A spokesman for Goodale reiterated the Liberal government's commitment to get "assault weapons off our streets," but said consultations are needed first.

'We will work ... to move forward on this commitment.'
–Spokesman for Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale
"We will work with all levels of government, our stakeholders and the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee to move forward on this commitment," said Scott Bardsley.

Among the Liberals' election commitments is to broaden membership of the firearms committee to include representatives of women's groups and public-health advocates. Critics have said the committee is stacked with gun proponents.

The RCMP lab tested 11 models of rifles and one pistol, including the weapon used by Marc Lepine in the 1989 Montreal massacre and the semi-automatic used by Justin Bourque in the 2014 Mountie shootings in Moncton, N.B.

The testing was prompted by Bourque's statement to police that he had considered using an improvised technique to turn his rifle into an automatic weapon.

The report says more than 1,200 test shots were fired between July and November 2014, using a technique that is "widely reported on the internet complete with installation and fitting instructions." The name of the technique is blacked out in the documents, but has been known in gun circles for decades, and information about at least one other technique also circulates.

New firearms on market

The Criminal Code regulations in the 1990s effectively protected against any upgrades "by taking the firearms most practical for conversion to full automatic fire off the civilian market," says the document, authored by Murray A. Smith, manager with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.

"Thus, the public safety risk posed by improvised conversion techniques was largely negated and rendered moot, and not requiring much police attention."

But the proliferation of new firearms since 2005 has increased the risk to the public, augmented by the availability of new magazines.

Ralph Goodale
Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale will be reviewing Canada's gun legislation to restore decision-making about restricted weapons to the RCMP rather than leaving it to cabinet. (CBC)

"Large capacity magazines are widely available for the military and paramilitary firearms, and although limited in capacity by law and generally reduced to five shots by a pin or similar modification, the original capacity is typically readily restorable."

"The materials required for improvised full automatic fire are ordinary everyday products."

Upgrading any weapon to fully automatic status is clearly prohibited by Section 102(1) of the Criminal Code, with prison terms of up to 10 years. But Smith's report raises questions about the current effectiveness of 20-year-old Criminal Code regulations as they apply to newer weapons shown in lab tests to be "amenable to the improvised full automatic fire technique."
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Am I reading this correctly that this is old news from 2014?

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So, I almost threw up in my coffee this morning. CBC reports that the RCMP is moving agressively under the Criminal Code to ban semi-automatic firearms. They said that they requested the update to the criminal code under the Conservatives they were ignored but the Liberals have confirmed they will go ahead with the update immediately "while undergoing consultations" which means they will arrange to have at least some, (probably all) semi-automatic rifle owners turn in their rifles in or be found in contravention of the criminal code.

I dont think anyone on here will be surprised by this move. next they will probably go after hunting and fishing rights.

From the CBC this morning


RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson alerted then public safety minister Steven Blaney last year to potential legislative gaps in Criminal Code gun provisions. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)

A heavily censored version of the internal report, dated November 2014, was obtained by CBC News under the Access to Information Act.
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Am I reading this correctly that this is old news from 2014?
No, the article it stems from is Jan 15, 2016
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